Hitler was misunderstood, it was Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich and Hermann Goring who pulled his strings.
There is a lot of very interesting facts coming out now as the last of the old guard have gone, people were frightened to speak out, but their relatives are a bit more willing.
Field Marshall Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel was one of the better Germans in WW2 He won the respect of both his own troops and the enemies he fought.
Wheel Nut:
Hitler was misunderstood
Absolutely it was probably all the combination of bad upbringing and lack of social services provision like mentoring and sympathetic tuition from a caring council,like any of the London Boroughs could provide now to stop kids turning into homicidal maniacs,when he was a child.
Some say that’s exactly what the South American governments in Chile and Argentina etc thought when he was allowed to walk in off of the submarine that had taken him out of Germany before the end of the war. 
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That bloke doesn’t look anything like him that’s because Hitler was already away and gone. 
Dave the Renegade:
Field Marshall Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel was one of the better Germans in WW2 He won the respect of both his own troops and the enemies he fought.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident
There could be a possible case made there concerning the Navy’s actions,and therefore Maggie’s, after the Conqueror had sunk the Belgrano,seemed more in keeping with Donitz’s orders than Hartenstein’s ideas.
gardun:
Quite enjoyed the film although a few gripes - too retrospective in my opinion and bordering on taking the p155 out of her now she has Alzheimers.For the record - have a look at how many pits were closed by the government prior to Thatcher and the Conservatives. I’ve seen first hand the number of ex-coal employees that are STILL sitting on their arses moaning about the Tories closing the pits. Funnily enough there are a few jobs around now, not that they’d notice.
I think most of those 'ex coal employees from the time in question would obviously be in retirement now while the younger ones at the time won’t be far off it and probably took Tebbitt’s advice and got on their bikes to work stacking shelves at the supermarket or DIY store etc or serving hamburgers and realised that it might not pay as much but it’s not as dangerous.
The relevant comparison is how much coal was produced by the British mining industry before Thatcher got in compared to after and ever since.
Carryfast:
gardun:
Quite enjoyed the film although a few gripes - too retrospective in my opinion and bordering on taking the p155 out of her now she has Alzheimers.For the record - have a look at how many pits were closed by the government prior to Thatcher and the Conservatives. I’ve seen first hand the number of ex-coal employees that are STILL sitting on their arses moaning about the Tories closing the pits. Funnily enough there are a few jobs around now, not that they’d notice.
I think most of those 'ex coal employees from the time in question would obviously be in retirement now while the younger ones at the time won’t be far off it and probably took Tebbitt’s advice and got on their bikes to work stacking shelves at the supermarket or DIY store etc or serving hamburgers and realised that it might not pay as much but it’s not as dangerous.
The relevant comparison is how much coal was produced by the British mining industry before Thatcher got in compared to after and ever since.
Or how much of anything that has been produced or manufactured in this Country since Thatcher’s days.
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
gardun:
Quite enjoyed the film although a few gripes - too retrospective in my opinion and bordering on taking the p155 out of her now she has Alzheimers.For the record - have a look at how many pits were closed by the government prior to Thatcher and the Conservatives. I’ve seen first hand the number of ex-coal employees that are STILL sitting on their arses moaning about the Tories closing the pits. Funnily enough there are a few jobs around now, not that they’d notice.
I think most of those 'ex coal employees from the time in question would obviously be in retirement now while the younger ones at the time won’t be far off it and probably took Tebbitt’s advice and got on their bikes to work stacking shelves at the supermarket or DIY store etc or serving hamburgers and realised that it might not pay as much but it’s not as dangerous.
The relevant comparison is how much coal was produced by the British mining industry before Thatcher got in compared to after and ever since.
Or how much of anything that has been produced or manufactured in this Country since Thatcher’s days.
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The labour idiots had this Country on its knees Thatcher turned things around.I was made redundant for the second time in my life 2 months before the Iron Lady came to power.
Who wants big dirty smoking factories making stuff anyhow. I’m quite happy to buy mangles, typewriters and abacus from the Orient.
alamcculloch:
The labour idiots had this Country on its knees Thatcher turned things around.I was made redundant for the second time in my life 2 months before the Iron Lady came to power.
The labour idiots had this country on it’s knees because they were just following the conservative ideas of a free market economy with no controls on imports and no direct controls on prices but (trying to use) income controls to control prices and keep inflation down which resulted in strikes by workers trying to defend their living standards and just like now recession because not enough people could afford to buy anything and what they did buy was mostly imports so the balance of payments and debt levels grew because of the trade deficit.
Unemployment actually went up after Thatcher came to power.If Thatcher ‘had turned things around’ we wouldn’t be in the situation we are today which is just the result of Blair following her ideas to the letter. 
switchlogic:
Who wants big dirty smoking factories making stuff anyhow. I’m quite happy to buy mangles, typewriters and abacus from the Orient.
And who really wants to work in a factory or down a mine.But if we have to import stuff that we can make for ourselves it just zb’s up the balance of payments figures which means a deficit in what we’re earning and what we’re paying out so the shortfall has to be made up by taking on debt.Which is why Greece is in the zb but Germany isn’t,and if there’s no factories then there’s less need for the road transport industry either which means less jobs for drivers.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Who wants big dirty smoking factories making stuff anyhow. I’m quite happy to buy mangles, typewriters and abacus from the Orient.And who really wants to work in a factory or down a mine.But if we have to import stuff that we can make for ourselves it just zb’s up the balance of payments figures which means a deficit in what we’re earning and what we’re paying out so the shortfall has to be made up by taking on debt.Which is why Greece is in the zb but Germany isn’t,and if there’s no factories then there’s less need for the road transport industry either which means less jobs for drivers.
I am not so sure Germany is actually booming though, and by the time it has bailed Spain, Greece and refloated Italy’s economy and ferry. Their employment level is at an all time high but tax receipts are falling as is GDP
There will be some on here who can remember the factories and the conditions therein.I well remember working with machine tools that were much older than me,there was little investment in new technology German firms could make stuff quicker and more efficiently than we could.
alamcculloch:
There will be some on here who can remember the factories and the conditions therein.I well remember working with machine tools that were much older than me,there was little investment in new technology German firms could make stuff quicker and more efficiently than we could.
That was some of the problem.After WW2 the allied powers were more interested in building up Germany’s economy at the expense of our own.
But the fact that British machine tools could keep going and turning out precision engineering components within tolerance after years of hard work shows just how good they were.That quality was often good enough to keep machine tool manufacturers going even after Maggie had done her best to wreck the British manufacturing industry.
Wheel Nut:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Who wants big dirty smoking factories making stuff anyhow. I’m quite happy to buy mangles, typewriters and abacus from the Orient.And who really wants to work in a factory or down a mine.But if we have to import stuff that we can make for ourselves it just zb’s up the balance of payments figures which means a deficit in what we’re earning and what we’re paying out so the shortfall has to be made up by taking on debt.Which is why Greece is in the zb but Germany isn’t,and if there’s no factories then there’s less need for the road transport industry either which means less jobs for drivers.
I am not so sure Germany is actually booming though, and by the time it has bailed Spain, Greece and refloated Italy’s economy and ferry. Their employment level is at an all time high but tax receipts are falling as is GDP
The fact is where would Germany be now if it’s industrial strength had been reduced by the same amounts as ours has been since the 1970’s.It’s not surprising that their tax receipts and GDP is falling because their present employment is mostly based on exports in the global free market economy where prices are compromised to make goods affordable in competition with developing countries therefore at the expense of wages and the strength of the domestic economy.
In addition to that is the fact that EU enlargement and the increased integration of EU economies just means that anything they do earn goes straight into the EU kitty to make the east european states richer and to keep all the other no hopers afloat.The surprising thing is that Britain is seen as being rich enough to do the same when we’re already in massive debt according to the government.
It’s obvious that the German economic miracle was built on concentrating on making the domestic economy strong and just exporting the surplus without any compromise on pricing and wages for it’s workers and making sure that EEC/EU membership was always to Germany’s advantage.
The surprising thing is that Germany has changed it’s ideas on maintaining domestic wage levels and the domestic economy and hasn’t decided to leave the EU when it’s obvious that it’s involvement in the global free market economy is causing contraction in it’s domestic economy and it’s no longer to it’s advantage to stay in the EU.Just as is the case for us.
Just watched the Falklands Revisited on TV tonight. It was 30 years ago and we still blame Margaret for our woes
Wheel Nut:
Hitler was misunderstood, it was Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich and Hermann Goring who pulled his strings.There is a lot of very interesting facts coming out now as the last of the old guard have gone, people were frightened to speak out, but their relatives are a bit more willing.
Is it just me but I think Hitler was quite camp. Touch of the ■■■■ Emery about him.
Rommel was a carear solider rather than a ■■■■ and openly disobeyed a fair few orders regarding ■■■■ interests.
kr79:
Wheel Nut:
Hitler was misunderstood, it was Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich and Hermann Goring who pulled his strings.There is a lot of very interesting facts coming out now as the last of the old guard have gone, people were frightened to speak out, but their relatives are a bit more willing.
Is it just me but I think Hitler was quite kampf. Touch of the ■■■■ Emery about him.
Rommel was a carear solider rather than a ■■■■ and openly disobeyed a fair few orders regarding ■■■■ interests.
FTFY
If you read all the book and not just the bits quoted in the media, you could begin to see why he was so popular, how many times have we heard “the rivers of blood speech” and people saying how right old Enoch was?
Just to explain, the ■■■■ party was more properly known as the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP)
Consider this, a new politician stands up and announces a policy like this, would you take any notice?
In a 1920’s leaflet, the NSDAP blamed 300 bankers and financiers throughout the world for dictating policy to the world and holding it to ransom.
This touched a raw nerve in some Germans. Former soldiers who had been in the Free Corps joined the ■■■■ Party and their ‘skills’ were used to break up meetings of other political parties. The use of violence became a way of life for the Nazis.
Germany used proportional representation which gave NSDAP a foothold in politics.
Up to 1923, the ■■■■ Party was small and noisy. Its importance was mainly in the Munich area of Bavaria. Money, or lack of it, was always a problem. The 1923 hyperinflation crisis proved to be an opportunity too good to miss for the now party leader - Hitler.
Hyperinflation ruined the middle class. The poor had little and they lost most of the little they had. The rich lost a lot but as rich people they could keep their heads above water. The middle class did not have the cash reserves of the rich but they lead comfortable lives. These lives were now ruined by hyperinflation and they blamed the government.
I don’t think many people on TNUK will argue with any of that.
Wheel Nut:
Just watched the Falklands Revisited on TV tonight. It was 30 years ago and we still blame Margaret for our woes
Maggie Thatcher ignored repeated warnings about Argentina invading the Falkland Islands.
