IRON LADY

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kr79:

Wheel Nut:
Hitler was misunderstood, it was Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich and Hermann Goring who pulled his strings.

There is a lot of very interesting facts coming out now as the last of the old guard have gone, people were frightened to speak out, but their relatives are a bit more willing.

Rommel was a carear solider rather than a ■■■■ and openly disobeyed a fair few orders regarding ■■■■ interests.

But the SS got a bit upset with him when he decided to get involved with trying to blow up Hitler .Luckily for Rommel everyone in Germany liked him enough to just let him take a cyanide pill or two and then gave him a state funeral instead of hanging him up on a meat hook.

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Wheel Nut:

kr79:

Wheel Nut:
Hitler was misunderstood, it was Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich and Hermann Goring who pulled his strings.

There is a lot of very interesting facts coming out now as the last of the old guard have gone, people were frightened to speak out, but their relatives are a bit more willing.

Is it just me but I think Hitler was quite kampf. Touch of the ■■■■ Emery about him.
Rommel was a carear solider rather than a ■■■■ and openly disobeyed a fair few orders regarding ■■■■ interests.

FTFY

If you read all the book and not just the bits quoted in the media, you could begin to see why he was so popular, how many times have we heard “the rivers of blood speech” and people saying how right old Enoch was?

Just to explain, the ■■■■ party was more properly known as the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP)

Consider this, a new politician stands up and announces a policy like this, would you take any notice?

In a 1920’s leaflet, the NSDAP blamed 300 bankers and financiers throughout the world for dictating policy to the world and holding it to ransom.

This touched a raw nerve in some Germans. Former soldiers who had been in the Free Corps joined the ■■■■ Party and their ‘skills’ were used to break up meetings of other political parties. The use of violence became a way of life for the Nazis.

Germany used proportional representation which gave NSDAP a foothold in politics.

Up to 1923, the ■■■■ Party was small and noisy. Its importance was mainly in the Munich area of Bavaria. Money, or lack of it, was always a problem. The 1923 hyperinflation crisis proved to be an opportunity too good to miss for the now party leader - Hitler.

Hyperinflation ruined the middle class. The poor had little and they lost most of the little they had. The rich lost a lot but as rich people they could keep their heads above water. The middle class did not have the cash reserves of the rich but they lead comfortable lives. These lives were now ruined by hyperinflation and they blamed the government.

I don’t think many people on TNUK will argue with any of that.

Don’t think Enoch Powell ever said anything about rounding up all the immigrants and gassing them instead of just closing the door to any more and maybe,hopefully,deporting all the ones already here.But that would have meant less cheap labour which is one of the reasons why his mates in the tory party didn’t make him their leader.So we got Thatcher instead.

You still don’t seem to get the idea that it is possible to not agree with large scale immigration and ethnic integration while at the same time being prepared to fight to the death against zb murdering ■■■■ zb’s like Hitler and most of his supporters.Which is just what many of Enoch Powell’s supporters had done.

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Dave the Renegade:

Wheel Nut:
Just watched the Falklands Revisited on TV tonight. It was 30 years ago and we still blame Margaret for our woes

Maggie Thatcher ignored repeated warnings about Argentina invading the Falkland Islands.

She played the same softly softly game as Mr Wilson and Mr Callaghan. She took action when the ■■■■■ scrap dealers arrived

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Carryfast:

Wheel Nut:

kr79:

Wheel Nut:
Hitler was misunderstood, it was Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich and Hermann Goring who pulled his strings.

There is a lot of very interesting facts coming out now as the last of the old guard have gone, people were frightened to speak out, but their relatives are a bit more willing.

Is it just me but I think Hitler was quite kampf. Touch of the ■■■■ Emery about him.
Rommel was a carear solider rather than a ■■■■ and openly disobeyed a fair few orders regarding ■■■■ interests.

FTFY

If you read all the book and not just the bits quoted in the media, you could begin to see why he was so popular, how many times have we heard “the rivers of blood speech” and people saying how right old Enoch was?

Just to explain, the ■■■■ party was more properly known as the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP)

Consider this, a new politician stands up and announces a policy like this, would you take any notice?

In a 1920’s leaflet, the NSDAP blamed 300 bankers and financiers throughout the world for dictating policy to the world and holding it to ransom.

This touched a raw nerve in some Germans. Former soldiers who had been in the Free Corps joined the ■■■■ Party and their ‘skills’ were used to break up meetings of other political parties. The use of violence became a way of life for the Nazis.

Germany used proportional representation which gave NSDAP a foothold in politics.

Up to 1923, the ■■■■ Party was small and noisy. Its importance was mainly in the Munich area of Bavaria. Money, or lack of it, was always a problem. The 1923 hyperinflation crisis proved to be an opportunity too good to miss for the now party leader - Hitler.

Hyperinflation ruined the middle class. The poor had little and they lost most of the little they had. The rich lost a lot but as rich people they could keep their heads above water. The middle class did not have the cash reserves of the rich but they lead comfortable lives. These lives were now ruined by hyperinflation and they blamed the government.

I don’t think many people on TNUK will argue with any of that.

Don’t think Enoch Powell ever said anything about rounding up all the immigrants and gassing them instead of just closing the door to any more and maybe,hopefully,deporting all the ones already here.But that would have meant less cheap labour which is one of the reasons why his mates in the tory party didn’t make him their leader.So we got Thatcher instead.

You still don’t seem to get the idea that it is possible to not agree with large scale immigration and ethnic integration while at the same time being prepared to fight to the death against zb murdering ■■■■ zb’s like Hitler and most of his supporters.Which is just what many of Enoch Powell’s supporters had done.

Again you have read something I didn’t write. What I said was that he was misunderstood and he was manipulated by others much stronger than him. He was a great orator and could speak for the people, those people voted for him to improve the economy. He was surrounded by supporters, it seems that they were the violent and vicious ones. Joseph Goebbels was already kicking the crap out of Jews in Vienna before he joined the party.

Rudolf Höss, not to be mistaken with Rudolf Hess was camp commandant at Auschwitz from 1940. He went from camp to camp and ran all the well known extermination and concentration camps. Dacau & Treblinka. Höss also led a gang of men who beat up and killed an enemy of local farm supervisor Martin Bormann. I found a couple of interesting quotes that Höss had said:

I want to emphasize that I personally never hated the Jews. I considered them to be the enemy of our nation. However, that was precisely the reason to treat them the same way as the other prisoners. … Besides, the feeling of hatred is not in me.

Since I was Commandant of the extermination camp Auschwitz I was totally responsible for everything that happened there, whether I knew about it or not. Most of the terrible and horrible things that took place there I learned only during this investigation and during the trial itself. I cannot describe how I was deceived, how my directives were twisted, and all the things they had carried out supposedly under my orders. I certainly hope that the guilty will not escape justice. It is tragic that, although I was by nature gentle, good-natured, and very helpful, I became the greatest destroyer of human beings who carried out every order to exterminate people no matter what.

Höss later introduced hydrogen cyanide, produced from the pesticide Zyklon B, into the killing process, after his deputy Karl Fritzsch tested it on a group of Russian prisoners in 1941. With Zyklon B, he said that it took 3—15 minutes for the victims to die and that “we knew when the people were dead because they stopped screaming”.

Hitler wanted to go East, it seemed as though some of his staff had already sounded the death knell for the Polish Jews.

Goebbels, Höss and Bormann were already killing Jews while Hitler was in prison after the Beer Hall event. Whilst there he wrote Mein Kampf

I still think he was manipulated, used and probably lied to, as portrayed by Hello Hello

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Wheel Nut:

Carryfast:

Wheel Nut:

kr79:

Wheel Nut:
Hitler was misunderstood, it was Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich and Hermann Goring who pulled his strings.

There is a lot of very interesting facts coming out now as the last of the old guard have gone, people were frightened to speak out, but their relatives are a bit more willing.

Is it just me but I think Hitler was quite kampf. Touch of the ■■■■ Emery about him.
Rommel was a carear solider rather than a ■■■■ and openly disobeyed a fair few orders regarding ■■■■ interests.

FTFY

If you read all the book and not just the bits quoted in the media, you could begin to see why he was so popular, how many times have we heard “the rivers of blood speech” and people saying how right old Enoch was?

Just to explain, the ■■■■ party was more properly known as the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP)

Consider this, a new politician stands up and announces a policy like this, would you take any notice?

In a 1920’s leaflet, the NSDAP blamed 300 bankers and financiers throughout the world for dictating policy to the world and holding it to ransom.

This touched a raw nerve in some Germans. Former soldiers who had been in the Free Corps joined the ■■■■ Party and their ‘skills’ were used to break up meetings of other political parties. The use of violence became a way of life for the Nazis.

Germany used proportional representation which gave NSDAP a foothold in politics.

Up to 1923, the ■■■■ Party was small and noisy. Its importance was mainly in the Munich area of Bavaria. Money, or lack of it, was always a problem. The 1923 hyperinflation crisis proved to be an opportunity too good to miss for the now party leader - Hitler.

Hyperinflation ruined the middle class. The poor had little and they lost most of the little they had. The rich lost a lot but as rich people they could keep their heads above water. The middle class did not have the cash reserves of the rich but they lead comfortable lives. These lives were now ruined by hyperinflation and they blamed the government.

I don’t think many people on TNUK will argue with any of that.

Don’t think Enoch Powell ever said anything about rounding up all the immigrants and gassing them instead of just closing the door to any more and maybe,hopefully,deporting all the ones already here.But that would have meant less cheap labour which is one of the reasons why his mates in the tory party didn’t make him their leader.So we got Thatcher instead.

You still don’t seem to get the idea that it is possible to not agree with large scale immigration and ethnic integration while at the same time being prepared to fight to the death against zb murdering ■■■■ zb’s like Hitler and most of his supporters.Which is just what many of Enoch Powell’s supporters had done.

Again you have read something I didn’t write. What I said was that he was misunderstood and he was manipulated by others much stronger than him. He was a great orator and could speak for the people, those people voted for him to improve the economy. He was surrounded by supporters, it seems that they were the violent and vicious ones. Joseph Goebbels was already kicking the crap out of Jews in Vienna before he joined the party.

Rudolf Höss, not to be mistaken with Rudolf Hess was camp commandant at Auschwitz from 1940. He went from camp to camp and ran all the well known extermination and concentration camps. Dacau & Treblinka. Höss also led a gang of men who beat up and killed an enemy of local farm supervisor Martin Bormann. I found a couple of interesting quotes that Höss had said:

I want to emphasize that I personally never hated the Jews. I considered them to be the enemy of our nation. However, that was precisely the reason to treat them the same way as the other prisoners. … Besides, the feeling of hatred is not in me.

Since I was Commandant of the extermination camp Auschwitz I was totally responsible for everything that happened there, whether I knew about it or not. Most of the terrible and horrible things that took place there I learned only during this investigation and during the trial itself. I cannot describe how I was deceived, how my directives were twisted, and all the things they had carried out supposedly under my orders. I certainly hope that the guilty will not escape justice. It is tragic that, although I was by nature gentle, good-natured, and very helpful, I became the greatest destroyer of human beings who carried out every order to exterminate people no matter what.

Höss later introduced hydrogen cyanide, produced from the pesticide Zyklon B, into the killing process, after his deputy Karl Fritzsch tested it on a group of Russian prisoners in 1941. With Zyklon B, he said that it took 3—15 minutes for the victims to die and that “we knew when the people were dead because they stopped screaming”.

Hitler wanted to go East, it seemed as though some of his staff had already sounded the death knell for the Polish Jews.

Goebbels, Höss and Bormann were already killing Jews while Hitler was in prison after the Beer Hall event. Whilst there he wrote Mein Kampf

I still think he was manipulated, used and probably lied to, as portrayed by Hello Hello

‘If’ Hitler had been caught at the end of WW2 and put on trial I don’t think that defence would have worked in saving him from being hung.

I don’t think that there could have been a case that he couldn’t have known and wasn’t involved in all the decisions concerning the infrastructure and logistics required to carry out the final solution amongst other outrages committed by the ■■■■ regime and all those who helped to implement it.

There was definitely a massive difference between the ideas of those like Enoch Powell and his supporters and Hitler and his supporters.

[kr79]

I can see where carryfast is coming from Churchill was the big anti ■■■■ voice in Britain for years but at the same time his views on the empire would be seen ad very un PC today. But Hitler was a proper nut job and I don’t realy buy in to the whole multi cultural society makes it a better place to live argument other than we have a much better choice of take aways and you can buy a packet of ■■■■ at 2 am.
But the thing that makes me laugh at the Enoch was right mob is he was one of the people behind brining people here in the 50s but doesn’t get mentioned.

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kr79:
the thing that makes me laugh at the Enoch was right mob is he was one of the people behind brining people here in the 50s but doesn’t get mentioned.

There were loads of different contradictory aspects to Enoch’s ideas which probably just reflected most of the Tory ideology which his ideas were based on.I don’t think anyone thought he was right about everything which he seems to have supported either on the Tory side or the Labour side and the same applied in regards to Labour MP’s and their supporters.

His original support was probably based on blind following of the contradictory idea of so called ‘free market economics’ when it suits the Tories by over supply of the labour market with the aim making a controlled market in regards to wage levels.

I think later he realised that policy was counterproductive in creating high demand for housing and services and social provision which produced the two opposing factors of downward pressure on incomes and upward pressure on prices and taxation needed to pay for the housing and services required by the immigrant populations and the effects of integrating different alien ethnic groups and cultures into British society.

That’s the only part of his ideas which most of his working class supporters thought he was right on together with his opposition to Britain’s membership of the EU which just added yet more problems to the balance of payments situation because of the trade deficit and increased levels of industrial import competition,and higher levels of taxation caused by the levels of contributions required by the EEC for the privilege and loss of government control over trade and taxation policy.

A co alition between Labour and Conservative,with Shore as leader and Powell as deputy leader,similar to the one today between the Conservatives and Lib Dems,but in which Labour under Shore,like the Conservatives under Cam today,would have held the largest mandate and therefore say,would probably have fixed the country’s problems at the time and since by keeping Powell’s typically Conservative ideas on ‘free markets’ in check when,like today,what was needed was a planned economy with controls on imports relative to exports to keep the balance of payments in check and without throwing the economy away by spending money on imports of goods that we can produce for ourselves.Which is where Shore’s ideas were the ones which mattered most.While Powell’s ideas on immigration would have sorted that side of the issues.

[dave_the_renegade]

All hypothetical as it never happened.

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Dave the Renegade:
All hypothetical as it never happened.

That was the problem.

As it was we actually got what was effectively a Labour Conservative co alition made up of a mixture of the worst of all worlds of Conservative ideology concerning immigration,wage controls in one form or another,and a free market economy in regards to prices and imports of goods and rescources like coal that we could be producing for ourselves.

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best thing maggie did was shut the pits, at least we will have fuel in the future

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Carryfast:

‘If’ Hitler had been caught at the end of WW2 and put on trial I don’t think that defence would have worked in saving him from being hung.

I don’t think that there could have been a case that he couldn’t have known and wasn’t involved in all the decisions concerning the infrastructure and logistics required to carry out the final solution amongst other outrages committed by the ■■■■ regime and all those who helped to implement it.

There was definitely a massive difference between the ideas of those like Enoch Powell and his supporters and Hitler and his supporters.

And this being the crux of it all, we shall never know. One thing I have is a lot of spare time and a great library service. I have always liked reading and someone said recently that when you are young you learn from listening, you form your early opinions but eventually start to question those opinions. Having read a lot about the holocaust, reading German books and using internet research, I have discovered lots of new or not readily available information.

Those who deny the holocaust ever happened are made out to be criminals in Austria, in my opinion rightly so. Those who quote Enoch Powell, have they read the whole speech or just the rivers of blood part. Did they get down as far as discovering Druscilla Cotterill and where she really fitted in with the neighbours.

The more I read about Hitlers henchmen, the more “protected” he seemed to be, certainly from bad news!

He was certainly as mad as a box of frogs but when you read about the antics of the closed circle, they were already killing and generally acting bonkers while he was in prison for five years writing his book, much of the influence came from Henry Ford who thought the Jews were conspiring to take over the world and infiltrating the trade unions.

Reinhard Heydrich the worst of the Nazis was killed in 1942 by partisans after he was gunned down in Czechoslovakia. It is almost without doubt that one of the top men in the ■■■■ Party was Jewish himself and fought harder to cover up the truth. It was Heydrich who led the decision to murder all the Jews in Europe.

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Wheel Nut:

Carryfast:

‘If’ Hitler had been caught at the end of WW2 and put on trial I don’t think that defence would have worked in saving him from being hung.

I don’t think that there could have been a case that he couldn’t have known and wasn’t involved in all the decisions concerning the infrastructure and logistics required to carry out the final solution amongst other outrages committed by the ■■■■ regime and all those who helped to implement it.

There was definitely a massive difference between the ideas of those like Enoch Powell and his supporters and Hitler and his supporters.

And this being the crux of it all, we shall never know. One thing I have is a lot of spare time and a great library service. I have always liked reading and someone said recently that when you are young you learn from listening, you form your early opinions but eventually start to question those opinions. Having read a lot about the holocaust, reading German books and using internet research, I have discovered lots of new or not readily available information.

Those who deny the holocaust ever happened are made out to be criminals in Austria, in my opinion rightly so. Those who quote Enoch Powell, have they read the whole speech or just the rivers of blood part. Did they get down as far as discovering Druscilla Cotterill and where she really fitted in with the neighbours.

The more I read about Hitlers henchmen, the more “protected” he seemed to be, certainly from bad news!

He was certainly as mad as a box of frogs but when you read about the antics of the closed circle, they were already killing and generally acting bonkers while he was in prison for five years writing his book, much of the influence came from Henry Ford who thought the Jews were conspiring to take over the world and infiltrating the trade unions.

Reinhard Heydrich the worst of the Nazis was killed in 1942 by partisans after he was gunned down in Czechoslovakia. It is almost without doubt that one of the top men in the ■■■■ Party was Jewish himself and fought harder to cover up the truth. It was Heydrich who led the decision to murder all the Jews in Europe.

It was Hitler who put Heydrich in his position of authority and it would be too much of a co incidence that so many sycopathic nutcases all seemed to manage to find themselves in similar positions of authority in Hitler’s governing group without Hitler having had some involvement in putting them there.There’s plenty of documented evidence to show that Hitler was personally involved with decisions involving all types of murder related to his bonkers plans for the world such as this.

youtube.com/watch?v=s3f_PL6x … re=related

7.20-8.09

But the ironic thing is that at all points of history I’d probably have been shot fighting for the cause of the American Confederacy during the US civil war,put in a concentration camp under the Nazis for support of trade union activeties and/or shot for refusing to carry out orders to murder people,together with being viewed as a racist here today for my views regarding immigration and being against the integrated multi ethnic society.

[dave_the_renegade]

You have had a few bullets fired at you on Trucknet Carryfast But you keep on firing back .
Cheers Dave.