Inserted card while driving!

Hi I inserted my card while driving - well I went to press 1 button to indicate break/rest (I think I must have pressed the eject button) anyhows jumped in the wagon and after about 2 minutes I noticed the screen was askin me like it wos end of shift !!!

So while driving :blush: I went through the routine to get my card out then put it back in.

Now the tacho is showing something like “Driver 1 Inserted card while driving code 46” intermittently when driving even when I stopped took out the card & put it back in when the while wagon was stationery !!!

On top off that I there was no paper in printer draw so I have just used a spare tacho to record the entire days duty’s

I cant get it off the display the other driver for the firm did not know how to get it off the display either

Does anyone know if it will hard reset ie be back to normal tomorrow and if not what will I/can do ■■?

i have no idea but it will be interesting to find out if anyone else knows.

have you tried pm’ing rog. he has some close links with vosa and such like and might make an enquiry on your behalf

Giblsa:
i have no idea but it will be interesting to find out if anyone else knows.

have you tried pm’ing rog. he has some close links with vosa and such like and might make an enquiry on your behalf

Would take some time with my contact - :bulb: best try coffeeholic, geebee45 or tachograph :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

ROG:
Would take some time with my contact - :bulb: best try coffeeholic, geebee45 or tachograph :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

fair one, sorry rog i forgot sbout them…how could i forget about tacho and coffe, they are the guru’s

I have pm’d the “gurus” :laughing:

I just hope when I get in the cab tomoz it will still not be flashing that damned message, defo a lesson learned the hard way as usual :blush:

The Declaration:
Hi I inserted my card while driving - well I went to press 1 button to indicate break/rest (I think I must have pressed the eject button) anyhows jumped in the wagon and after about 2 minutes I noticed the screen was askin me like it wos end of shift !!!

So while driving :blush: I went through the routine to get my card out then put it back in.

Now the tacho is showing something like “Driver 1 Inserted card while driving code 46” intermittently when driving even when I stopped took out the card & put it back in when the while wagon was stationery !!!

On top off that I there was no paper in printer draw so I have just used a spare tacho to record the entire days duty’s

I cant get it off the display the other driver for the firm did not know how to get it off the display either

Does anyone know if it will hard reset ie be back to normal tomorrow and if not what will I/can do ■■?

According to the Siemens instruction manual, when the error message “insertion while driving” appears on screen you need to acknowledge it, so pressing “OK” should clear the message off the screen, as far as I can remember this is the same with all error messages.

Hope this helps.

edit: this error will appear on you’re card and on the VDU.

Also it may be worth doing a printout for the day, when you put some paper in, and writing any manual entries, including the reason for the error on the printout.

The Declaration:
I just hope when I get in the cab tomoz it will still not be flashing that damned message, defo a lesson learned the hard way as usual :blush:

I think you’ll find that it will still be flashing, but as my above post, just press the OK button to acknowledge seeing it and it should clear.

tachograph:
According to the Siemens instruction manual, when the error message “insertion while driving” appears on screen you need to acknowledge it, so pressing “OK” should clear the message off the screen, as far as I can remember this is the same with all error messages.

Hope this helps.

edit: this error will appear on you’re card and on the VDU.

Also it may be worth doing a printout for the day, when you put some paper in, and writing any manual entries, including the reason for the error on the printout.

Thanks for the help m8 I will try that tomorrow if it is still showing, I will also let youz know the outcome to help anyone else in the future, just one more questions if you dont mind

When I put a new roll of paper in how do I get a print out from yesterday :question:

Once again thanks

From memory, go into the main menu and scroll down to Printout driver 1, press OK then scroll down until you reach yesterdays date.

Sorry I can’t be more specific but I’m going from memory now so perhaps some-one else will be able to give more precise info.

The Declaration:
Thanks for the help m8 I will try that tomorrow if it is still showing, I will also let youz know the outcome to help anyone else in the future, just one more questions if you dont mind

When I put a new roll of paper in how do I get a print out from yesterday :question:

Once again thanks

all you need to do is press the up or down arrow until it goes to driver one (with your card in obviously) and then press ok, printout will flash press ok again then the date will flash select the right date and press ok and it will churn it out for you. hope this helps…thats if i have remembered it right.

by the way, i thought you had to carry spare tacho rolls (like you do spare tacho discs when using manual) in the cab incase you get stopped by five o and they check your card as they dont carry the digital readers.

ths may not be true but is what i have been told by an agency i roll for.

can anybody clarify the matter?

tachograph:
From memory, go into the main menu and scroll down to Printout driver 1, press OK then scroll down until you reach yesterdays date.

Sorry I can’t be more specific but I’m going from memory now so perhaps some-one else will be able to give more precise info.

It’s a while since I had to do a print out, but that just about covers it tachograph.

Giblsa:
all you need to do is press the up or down arrow until it goes to driver one (with your card in obviously) and then press ok, printout will flash press ok again then the date will flash select the right date and press ok and it will churn it out for you. hope this helps…thats if i have remembered it right.

by the way, i thought you had to carry spare tacho rolls (like you do spare tacho discs when using manual) in the cab incase you get stopped by five o and they check your card as they dont carry the digital readers.

ths may not be true but is what i have been told by an agency i roll for.

can anybody clarify the matter?

Yeah I hold my hands up on that one, on the first day I should have made there were spare spools of print paper in the cab.

None the less I certainly WILL learn from these mistakes

Once again thanks to all you dudes for the all the help !

Giblsa:
by the way, i thought you had to carry spare tacho rolls (like you do spare tacho discs when using manual) in the cab incase you get stopped by five o and they check your card as they dont carry the digital readers.

I don’t see why?

YOU produce your record of driving. If THEY don’t have the means of viewing it, then that’s their problem. Let them supply the printer roll. :bulb:

Krankee:

Giblsa:
by the way, i thought you had to carry spare tacho rolls (like you do spare tacho discs when using manual) in the cab incase you get stopped by five o and they check your card as they dont carry the digital readers.

I don’t see why?

YOU produce your record of driving. If THEY don’t have the means of viewing it, then that’s their problem. Let them supply the printer roll. :bulb:

so its not true then? or is it? coffeeholic and tacho will probably know

Krankee:

Giblsa:
by the way, i thought you had to carry spare tacho rolls (like you do spare tacho discs when using manual) in the cab incase you get stopped by five o and they check your card as they dont carry the digital readers.

I don’t see why?

YOU produce your record of driving. If THEY don’t have the means of viewing it, then that’s their problem. Let them supply the printer roll. :bulb:

Quite simply because the regulations state that paper rolls must be carried and to not have sufficient paper is an offence. When you are driving an analogue equipped vehicle and you produce your card it is up to them to be able to read the card. When driving a digi equipped vehicle you must be able to make a printout if required to do so and if you can’t because of insufficient paper then it is an offence.

Drivers should: carry sufficient supplies of type-approved print roll on board the vehicle so that a printout can be produced at an enforcement officer’s request

HERE, page 34.

What is sufficient paper isn’t specified, however as some printouts can be quite long one roll in the unit and two spares seems to be about the norm.

Yeah on my digi tach (i think its seimens in the stralis) any errors/offences, just press ok when its flashnig at you.

When you overspeed, it flashes then goes off, comes back on few secs later, just press OK and will be alright.

I had a strange one few weeks ago coming up the M1, on cruise, singing away to the CD, and then the computer “bonged” at me, and my card spat itself out! :open_mouth: Popped it back in and never done it again… anyone else had this? :laughing:

Oh the paper rolls if i remember rightly the gaffer said you need to keep 2 rolls in…going from what VOSA said when they visited the yard :sunglasses:

Right on the money guys thanks - I just pressed ok button and problem solved :unamused: I also managed to find a box of 3 rolls of paper in the office and got a print out for last 3 day’s work.

One question though on my print outs near the bottom after all the days recordings (apart from todays) it has time I finished then 00.00 i.e

? 15.17 - 00.00 08h43

I take it I done something else wrong ■■?

The Declaration:
One question though on my print outs near the bottom after all the days recordings (apart from todays) it has time I finished then 00.00 i.e

? 15.17 - 00.00 08h43

I take it I done something else wrong ■■?

you havent done anything wrong, it just means the card/unit doesnt know what you were doing between the time you finished (15.17) and midnight (00.00)

somewhere on the start of your print should be virtually the same except in reverse ie

? 00.00 - 07h.23

its nowt to worry about.

Giblsa:

The Declaration:
One question though on my print outs near the bottom after all the days recordings (apart from todays) it has time I finished then 00.00 i.e

? 15.17 - 00.00 08h43

I take it I done something else wrong ■■?

you havent done anything wrong, it just means the card/unit doesnt know what you were doing between the time you finished (15.17) and midnight (00.00)

somewhere on the start of your print should be virtually the same except in reverse ie

? 00.00 - 07h.23

its nowt to worry about.

Yes just noticed that at the top, cheers for clearing that up Giblsa

To clear an ‘event’ warning on a digital tacho simply press OK on a VDO (or the enter key on a Stoneridge), then press the same key again. The first key press ‘acknowledges’ the warning, the second clears it from the display. The ‘event’ will be recorded on the VU mass memory and in most cases, on the card. Events are;

insertion of a non valid card (either it has not reached its’ start date or it has passed its’ end date). It’s not a tacho card or you’ve put it in wrong way around or up, or your card is knackered.

overspeeding; you have exceeded the speed set in the tacho during calibration. In most cases this is 90 km/h.

driving without a card; the vehicle was moved without a driver card in slot one.

card inserted whilst driving; what this thread is all about.

time overlap; you put your card in a VU where the UTC is behind that of the VU the card has been last taken out of. This can happen when changing vehicles mid-shift. Effectively the VU will try to write activities for the same time period on the card twice. VU’s have their internal clocks set at calibration. They are not radio frequency controlled so may well not be exactly the same as UTC. If the VU time is more than 20 minutes from UTC the tacho has to be recalibrated.

power interruption; the constant power feed to the tacho has been disconnected.

motion data error; the signal to the tacho from the motion sensor on the gearbox has been interrupted.

security breach; either somebody has attempted to get into the casing or has tried to defeat the encryption used by the tacho.

last card session not correctly closed; when you eject a card from a VU a number of calculations have to be performed, if for some reason these aren’t done, the last card session is termed not properly closed.

card conflict; when you put two cards in a VU that normally would not be used together eg, workshop card and a driver card.

Paper rolls; Article 14.1 of (EEC) 3821/85 requires you carry ‘sufficient’ type approved paper to carry out printing. Remember it’s not just for roadside checks, if you loose your card you must take a printout at the start and end of your shift. If you get delayed on a journey eg a crash on the motorway, you must take a printout as soon as you get to the safe parking location and record the reason for the delay on the printout. Sufficient is not defined but under normal conditions a couple of rolls should do. The legislation does not say that the paper has to be in the tacho, just available. It is prosecutable, last case I know of; driver got £250 and the employer £400. Although to be fair, the truck had run into a number of stationary cars so I don’t think the Magistrates were feeling very sympathetic. Moral of the story, carrying a few rolls of paper is cheaper.