Who is it that compiles a drivers tacho records and flags infringements etc?
The reason I ask is I keep getting ■■■■ from the office about the WTD 6hr rule. I’ve tried explaining the whole 15 minute thing and they just simply won’t have it.
LR18-8:
Who is it that compiles a drivers tacho records and flags infringements etc?
A computer programme such as the one at tachomaster.co.uk/
LR18-8:
Who is it that compiles a drivers tacho records and flags infringements etc?The reason I ask is I keep getting [zb] from the office about the WTD 6hr rule. I’ve tried explaining the whole 15 minute thing and they just simply won’t have it.
Depends, some companies use analysis companies and some companies do their own analysis.
I assume they want you to have a 30 minute break, if that’s right and you get paid for the break just do as they say.
Or is there some other problem ?
tachograph:
LR18-8:
Who is it that compiles a drivers tacho records and flags infringements etc?The reason I ask is I keep getting [zb] from the office about the WTD 6hr rule. I’ve tried explaining the whole 15 minute thing and they just simply won’t have it.
Depends, some companies use analysis companies and some companies do their own analysis.
I assume they want you to have a 30 minute break, if that’s right and you get paid for the break just do as they say.
+1
our pace don’t recognise POA either .
Its not a problem really, if they don’t know how to work the 15 minute break to extend the 6 hour rule, then simply endorse the infrigements when you sign them appropriately, if you’ve broken no laws then write that on the infringement print out.
If they, on the other hand, require that you take a 30 minute break because thats how they want it done, then seeing as they pay the wages just do as they want, they’re the ones getting less work done as a result.
LR18-8:
Who is it that compiles a drivers tacho records and flags infringements etc?The reason I ask is I keep getting [zb] from the office about the WTD 6hr rule. I’ve tried explaining the whole 15 minute thing and they just simply won’t have it.
Can you post a photo of your printout and mark where they are stating an infringement has taken place ?
LR18-8:
Who is it that compiles a drivers tacho records and flags infringements etc?The reason I ask is I keep getting [zb] from the office about the WTD 6hr rule. I’ve tried explaining the whole 15 minute thing and they just simply won’t have it.
The mistake you’ve made there is try and tell them they’re wrong, after all you are just a mere driver and what do you know. 
Personally though I’d agree with Juddian if they want you to do it and it isn’t illegal and doesn’t cost you, then do it their way.
There is no company policy regarding mandatory 30 minute breaks. They just won’t acknowledge that 15 minutes is sufficient.
Surely any reputable tacho analysing company would recognise 15 mins is ok? That’s what makes me think they analyse it in house
I had this at Stobart…including on the dcpc. When I pointed out the error - and proved it (took several weeks to get to people it should have 
) they got out of it by simply stating ‘company policy’
LR18-8:
There is no company policy regarding mandatory 30 minute breaks. They just won’t acknowledge that 15 minutes is sufficient.Surely any reputable tacho analysing company would recognise 15 mins is ok? That’s what makes me think they analyse it in house
Any half decent analysis company would recognise that you need a 15 minute break before exceeding six hours working time, I’ve never known an analysis company not to recognise it.
I can understand your frustration that the company are failing to interpret the regulations correctly, but at the end of the day it’s their company their rules, and their money they’re wasting, you’ve pointed out their error and that’s all you can do, so as long as it’s not costing you anything crack on and be grateful for any extra breaks you’re required to take 
ROG:
Can you post a photo of your printout and mark where they are stating an infringement has taken place ?
Not right now no. I don’t have any of the exact dates etc with me, plus I’m not in work.
Basically one of the typical infringements would be as follows.
Start: 6 am
Drive: 3 hr
O/W: 2 hr
Break: 15 mins
Drive: 1hr
O/W: 1hr
Break: 30+ mins
So basically they are saying I haven’t had any breaks that satisfy the wtd rules until 7+ hours into my shift.
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ROG:
Can you post a photo of your printout and mark where they are stating an infringement has taken place ?Not right now no. I don’t have any of the exact dates etc with me, plus I’m not in work.
Basically one of the typical infringements would be as follows.
Start: 6 am
Drive: 3 hr
O/W: 2 hr
Break: 15 mins
Drive: 1hr
O/W: 1hr
Break: 30+ minsSo basically they are saying I haven’t had any breaks that satisfy the wtd rules until 7+ hours into my shift.
Seems okay to me. If they insist just do it and be grateful for the 15 mins for free! 5 hours extra pay per month in your pocket for doing sod all - any vacancies?! 
fredthered:
Seems okay to me. If they insist just do it and be grateful for the 15 mins for free! 5 hours extra pay per month in your pocket for doing sod all - any vacancies?!
I know it’s not a huge deal. It’s just that on occasions where I’m for example waiting to tip and I get called onto a bay having clocked up 20 minutes break while waiting I can just crack on after tipping instead of having to pull up outside and stop for another 30 minutes.
If the law states 15 minutes is ok then I shouldn’t HAVE to stop for 30 if I don’t want to. It really bugs me.
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fredthered:
Seems okay to me. If they insist just do it and be grateful for the 15 mins for free! 5 hours extra pay per month in your pocket for doing sod all - any vacancies?!I know it’s not a huge deal. It’s just that on occasions where I’m for example waiting to tip and I get called onto a bay having clocked up 20 minutes break while waiting I can just crack on after tipping instead of having to pull up outside and stop for another 30 minutes.
If the law states 15 minutes is ok then I shouldn’t HAVE to stop for 30 if I don’t want to. It really bugs me.
I can see it does! But you’ll just have to conform like everyone else if thats their ‘company policy’ - I’ve stopped loading before they’ve finished for a WTD break because I’m told I have to! Just got used to it myself but no point in letting it get to you 'cause its their own money they’re wasting.
- Mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break.
— If your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes.
— If your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes.
— Breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration.
LR18-8:
If the law states 15 minutes is ok then I shouldn’t HAVE to stop for 30 if I don’t want to. It really bugs me.
Companies have all kinds of rules that are not law, sometimes they’re OK and sometimes they’re a pain the the arse.
As long as they’re not telling you to do anything illegal your only options are:
- convince them to change their rules
- comply with their rules
- leave.
There are no company policies regarding this. They are under the impression that the law states it’s 30 minutes before 6 hours
LR18-8:
There are no company policies regarding this. They are under the impression that the law states it’s 30 minutes before 6 hours
Maybe if you write to the company that analyse the hours they would clarify and then you could show the company.
They’re still the ones paying though, so if they insist on 30 mins no arguments.
My company don’t recongise POA, that suits me fine cos i do a genuine 42 hour week on average, they don’t want worn out knackered drivers doing 70 hour weeks, they pay so they make the rules as far as i’m concerned.
If i want to do 70 hour weeks there’s plenty of scummy outfits will let me, sod that.
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ROG:
Can you post a photo of your printout and mark where they are stating an infringement has taken place ?Not right now no. I don’t have any of the exact dates etc with me, plus I’m not in work.
Basically one of the typical infringements would be as follows.
Start: 6 am
Drive: 3 hr
O/W: 2 hr
Break: 15 mins
Drive: 1hr
O/W: 1hr
Break: 30+ minsSo basically they are saying I haven’t had any breaks that satisfy the wtd rules until 7+ hours into my shift.
After taking the 30+ min break, how much driving and other work did you do?
I ask that as many get caught out on the 15 min break rule for the back part of the shift
LR18-8:
There are no company policies regarding this. They are under the impression that the law states it’s 30 minutes before 6 hours
The RTWTD states that no more than 6 hours work (driving + other work) without a break. If work during the shift is between 6 and 9 hours then a minimum of 30 minutes break to be taken. Breaks can be minimum of 15 minutes duration.
So, the longest you can work is 6 hours maximum before a 15 minute break HAS to be taken. Then another 15 minutes to be taken during shift. So, there’s nowt wrong with your example below (WTD -wise), providing you don’t ‘clock off’ straight after your 30 + minutes break, as, for WTD purposes breaks must be taken during shift, not at the very end.
Basically one of the typical infringements would be as follows.
Start: 6 am
Drive: 3 hr
O/W: 2 hr
Break: 15 mins
Drive: 1hr
O/W: 1hr
Break: 30+ mins