Dolph:
Statement: the status of EU nationals in the UK - GOV.UK good to know.
How are you reading that then Dolph?
As it all looks OK until the last words basically saying: Can be removed if they are abusing their free movement rights.
So what exactly does that cover? 
Dolph:
Statement: the status of EU nationals in the UK - GOV.UK good to know.
OK for the moment as it stands… but then no one in government haven’t began negotiations with the EU yet, so I’d really wait to see what deal is struck first… and no I am not saying that ppl will get deported and sent home but I reckon that if the UK doesn’t get the trade deals, then they might end up restricting the numbers of EU nationals coming to the UK and some kinda point system brought in… who knows government policies can change…
As you can see that Canada’s trade deal is fallen flat simply because of this freedom of movement and I cannot see the USA cutting deals where there held over a barrel over freedom of movement…
So changes can be made to suit
Evil8Beezle:
Dolph:
Statement: the status of EU nationals in the UK - GOV.UK good to know.How are you reading that then Dolph?
As it all looks OK until the last words basically saying: Can be removed if they are abusing their free movement rights.
So what exactly does that cover?
Law breakers and the ones with no money who are abusing the welfare state…
Evil8Beezle:
Dolph:
Statement: the status of EU nationals in the UK - GOV.UK good to know.How are you reading that then Dolph?
As it all looks OK until the last words basically saying: Can be removed if they are abusing their free movement rights.
So what exactly does that cover?
More of a statement to calm down the situation. Also everything might/will change at further notice.
Free movement rights are with certain regulation to EU nationals here and to Brits in EU as well.
In order to use this rights a person must be employed/self employed, student or to live on their own saving with private insurance(pensioners). If a person don’t fall in this categories might and will be asked to leave an EU country.
You cant go in other EU country live and claim benefits, that’s only possible in UK, which I find to be grotesque.
Swampey2418:
I reckon that if the UK doesn’t get the trade deals, then they might end up restricting the numbers of EU nationals coming to the UK and some kinda point system brought in… who knows government policies can change…As you can see that Canada’s trade deal is fallen flat simply because of this freedom of movement and I cannot see the USA cutting deals where there held over a barrel over freedom of movement…
So changes can be made to suit
Assuming we’re not lumbered with being an EEA member state why would we need to agree to any ‘trade deal’ that leaves us subject to any type of EU free movement deal. 
While if we’re just going to swap EU for EEA what would have changed in that regard.Nor would either option meet the Leave referendum manifesto content.
As for the US and Canada surely no one is realistically suggesting that any transatlantic trade deals would include free movement of EU citizens into North America.Bearing in mind even NAFTA member state doesn’t provide that. 
Dolph:
More of a statement to calm down the situation. Also everything might/will change at further notice.
More like for domestic consumption as a softening up exercise for the inevitable EU to EEA status change.Thereby totally subverting the referendum vote.
Dolph:
Evil8Beezle:
Dolph:
Statement: the status of EU nationals in the UK - GOV.UK good to know.How are you reading that then Dolph?
As it all looks OK until the last words basically saying: Can be removed if they are abusing their free movement rights.
So what exactly does that cover?
More of a statement to calm down the situation. Also everything might/will change at further notice.
Free movement rights are with certain regulation to EU nationals here and to Brits in EU as well.
In order to use this rights a person must be employed/self employed, student or to live on their own saving with private insurance(pensioners). If a person don’t fall in this categories might and will be asked to leave an EU country.
You cant go in other EU country live and claim benefits, that’s only possible in UK, which I find to be grotesque.
I’m not sure anything has really changed, and I think this is only a response to media coverage.
Which by it’s very nature, wasn’t helpful to the issue…
But at the same time I can’t see the UK ejecting a willing (freely educated) labour force from the country, when (at this very moment) the VERY last thing our government would want is a potential labour shortage. No one is going anywhere!
Only if we NOW have an inward flood, will a line in the sand have to be drawn…
Evil8Beezle:
But at the same time I can’t see the UK ejecting a willing (freely educated) labour force from the country, when (at this very moment) the VERY last thing our government would want is a potential labour shortage. No one is going anywhere!
You’re not seriously suggesting that we’re in the situation of zero let alone negative unemployment rates.Which has always been the excuse for the import of cheap foreign labour since the end of WW2.The referendum vote was in large part about reducing the domestic labour supply so that wage levels can increase.In addition to demographic issues.We’re not going to deliver that by looking for excuses and ways to negate that intention.
Although that would explain the sudden backtracking and wavering on Brexit among the Conservative so called ‘Leave’ agenda and even UKIP.
Which is why it’ll probably be either EEA member state if not reversal of the vote.The latter of those being the better option from the point of view of the Leave vote in turning it into the Europe wide issue it should always have been before we naively trusted Farage and UKIP to sort it out in the domestic arena.
You really were hoping for a lot weren’t you! 
Evil8Beezle:
You really were hoping for a lot weren’t you!
No.Just what was written in the manifesto concerning the immigration aspect of the Leave campaign.Le Pen and the FN obviously being more trustworthy in that regard than Farage and UKIP.Which would explain why he refused her offer of co operation.
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
You really were hoping for a lot weren’t you!No.Just what was written in the manifesto concerning the immigration aspect of the Leave campaign.
Didn’t you call me naive earlier? 
Evil8Beezle:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
You really were hoping for a lot weren’t you!No.Just what was written in the manifesto concerning the immigration aspect of the Leave campaign.
Didn’t you call me naive earlier?
That’s not naive it’s actually a central essential issue regarding Brexit.Although as I said feel free to ignore it so that we can sort it where it needs to be sorted on a European basis.Where I’m sure you’ll find the AfD,FN and Austrian freedom etc less accommodating of being stitched up by people like Gove,BoJo and Farage. 
Carryfast:
That’s not naive it’s actually a central essential issue regarding Brexit.Although as I said feel free to ignore it so that we can sort it where it needs to be sorted on a European basis.Where I’m sure you’ll find the AfD,FN and Austrian freedom etc less accommodating of being stitched up by people like Gove,BoJo and Farage.
Do you not recall that 48% voted against?
Yes we won a vote by a fraction, get a grip pal!
What do you want, some sort of British matching band, a cross between Morris dancing and a Colliery band band?
Evil8Beezle:
Do you not recall that 48% voted against?
It wasn’t wasn’t a referendum that made Brexit,or allowed for a variable level of Brexit,dependent on the ‘margin’ of the vote.It was Remain or Leave.Leave being based on stopping the issue of free movement.It’s not rocket science.
Dolph:
Evil8Beezle:
Dolph:
Statement: the status of EU nationals in the UK - GOV.UK good to know.How are you reading that then Dolph?
As it all looks OK until the last words basically saying: Can be removed if they are abusing their free movement rights.
So what exactly does that cover?
More of a statement to calm down the situation. Also everything might/will change at further notice.
Free movement rights are with certain regulation to EU nationals here and to Brits in EU as well.
In order to use this rights a person must be employed/self employed, student or to live on their own saving with private insurance(pensioners). If a person don’t fall in this categories might and will be asked to leave an EU country.
You cant go in other EU country live and claim benefits, that’s only possible in UK, which I find to be grotesque.
It only needed calming down because of all the deluded remainers, taking isolated incidents of edl type behaviour, to call every brexiter a racist xenophobe Quite surreal and alarming how many migrants don’t know their own status in this country. The only people that could have any cause for concern are eu economic tourists that have come in since the end of 2013, which is probably going to be -5 years from our exit, if that ever happens
End of the day
No Negotiations have taken place yet with the EU so I cannot see how they can make such statements concrete… maybe they are using it as a tool to reassure those from the EU living in the UK that they wont be asked to go back to there country of origin…
But as Ive said… its all down to what negotiations take place …certainly we as a nation aren’t going to be dictated by a European parliament
Swampey2418:
its all down to what negotiations take place …certainly we as a nation aren’t going to be dictated by a European parliament
Suggest you check out the terms and conditions applicable to an EEA member state. The difference being in that case that we won’t even have the choice of putting any Nationalist MEP’s in the EU parliament calling for a Confederal Europe.
Bear in mind that whatever manifesto you think you may or may not have voted for, the only thing the leave voters actually put their X by was to leave the European Union.
Héraultais:
Bear in mind that whatever manifesto you think you may or may not have voted for, the only thing the leave voters actually put their X by was to leave the European Union.
Based on a manifesto which promised an end to free movement among other ‘issues’ totally inconsistent with swapping EU for EEA.So no EEA won’t cut it and if the remainers like Cameron and May think they’ll get away with that scam they need to think again.Either we Leave properly.Or we stay in and smash the thing from within by changing the EU constitution to a proper democratically elected and governed Confederal system that allows National democratic accountability.This time hopefully with some proper Nationalist MEP’s not pretend ones in the form of UKIP.Bearing in mind that democracy is all about honouring the manifesto which the vote is based on.
If not we’ve just got a form of undemocratic dictatorial anarchy.Which seems to fit the definition of the EU federation as it stands.
Carryfast:
Héraultais:
Bear in mind that whatever manifesto you think you may or may not have voted for, the only thing the leave voters actually put their X by was to leave the European Union.Based on a manifesto which promised an end to free movement among other ‘issues’ totally inconsistent with swapping EU for EEA.So no EEA won’t cut it and if the remainers like Cameron and May think they’ll get away with that scam they need to think again.Either we Leave properly.Or we stay in and smash the thing from within by changing the EU constitution to a proper democratically elected and governed Confederal system that allows National democratic accountability.This time hopefully with some proper Nationalist MEP’s not pretend ones in the form of UKIP.
EEA = in the EU Out /Leave = no dictatorship from EU, and would hive full control over our borders ect automatically ,and if would be easier to deport all those over stayers and failed asylum seekers , and change how we deal will illegal immigrants with no ID
tommy t:
EEA = in
^ This.
Which is why the Swiss won’t sign up to it.