tommy t:
Stanley Knife:
tommy t:
And everyone who voted leave after this farce by the Tories is supposed to just accept that they have been denied their democracy by the establishment and walk away peacefully and continue working paying taxes for that pond life in government ?
And where the zb did I say that? Jesus wept!
So essentially the referendum result has been overturned via the backdoor, a Remain PM with a Remain government. Already Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has stated that we have to remain in the single market for access to services. But May has one big problem; the longer she leaves it without an announcement on Article 50 the more unrest there will be at having been robbed. And no-one within the Conservative party will be happy if she negotiates a deal suitable to the EU apparatchiks
implies it
It never ceases to amaze me how someone can read into a statement something that isn’t there and then use that inference to bolster their own argument.
Evil8Beezle:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
You really were hoping for a lot weren’t you! 
No.Just what was written in the manifesto concerning the immigration aspect of the Leave campaign.
Didn’t you call me naive earlier? 
No that was me. I’ve just put it on the list with the rest of the descriptive words I am. 
Héraultais:
Bear in mind that whatever manifesto you think you may or may not have voted for, the only thing the leave voters actually put their X by was to leave the European Union.
The question was: ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’ YES or NO
YES won it . . . so we leave the EU . . . simples
Or maybe not . . .
Stanley Knife:
Héraultais:
Bear in mind that whatever manifesto you think you may or may not have voted for, the only thing the leave voters actually put their X by was to leave the European Union.
The question was: ‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’ YES or NO
YES won it . . . so we leave the EU . . . simples
Or maybe not . . .
But you forget that CF has looked into his crystal ball and being the great soothsayer he is…
Stanley Knife:
tommy t:
So essentially the referendum result has been overturned via the backdoor, a Remain PM with a Remain government. Already Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has stated that we have to remain in the single market for access to services. But May has one big problem; the longer she leaves it without an announcement on Article 50 the more unrest there will be at having been robbed. And no-one within the Conservative party will be happy if she negotiates a deal suitable to the EU apparatchiks
implies it
It never ceases to amaze me how someone can read into a statement something that isn’t there and then use that inference to bolster their own argument.
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Whatever tommy meant one thing is certain we’re not in the position of a stated Leave MP being in control of the agenda.On that note it’s difficult to see how it can be anything different to a remain agenda run by a remain PM with only EEA member state or reversal of the vote being the only logical conclusion.Neither of which meeting the definition of ‘Leave’ by the terms of the referendum.Just as tommy says.May obviously easily being able to remove that view by way of a simple statement saying otherwise on both counts. 
Carryfast:
Whatever tommy meant one thing is certain we’re not in the position of a stated Leave MP being in control of the agenda.On that note it’s difficult to see how it can be anything different to a remain agenda run by a remain PM with only EEA member state or reversal of the vote being the only logical conclusion.Neither of which meeting the definition of ‘Leave’ by the terms of the referendum.Just as tommy says.May obviously easily being able to remove that view by way of a simple statement saying otherwise on both counts.
I give in! It’s like banging your head against a brick wall.
its like a carry on flim the goings on and comings off in political loony land the last couple of weeks
the country voted out of the eu yippee, despite all the fears of god knows what we was told would happen to us should we vote out
then the political lot simply lost the plot and all hell broke loose in all the party’s
Cameron the guy who told us all we are not a nation of quitters, quit his post
hot fav to replace him was Boris the spider. anyone remember him ? he was the guy who declared June 23 would be our independence day seems we have got far more independence now as we have no one fit to govern us any more, i vote we let the royals rule us and get rid of parliament.
the torys had a contest but then everyone dropped out, the only one left to challenge may was got at with the hounds who wanted her blood so there was no contest and the winner is someone who wanted to remain in the eu so we have new pm now in the space of 2 weeks and someone who the country dont bloody well want but hey that’s just what we get always isn’t it ?
meanwhile in the labour camp
they decided to have a leadership contest as there angry there leader didn’t tell us all to vote to stay in and welcome even more ethnics with warm open arms etc, so they blame the fact so many people voted out because there fed up with the invasion on the labour leaders lack of standing, you would of thought they might of at least thought about why so many people voted out instead of lashing out, as if a labour leader could of changed the way people are feeling with the invasion that has taken place
now the fun begins as the leader will not stand down and the political correct in labour are scared if it goes to a vote of the party then the leader will win and keep his job, even thought hardly any of the mps have any confidence him his leadership
someone threw a brick smashing Angie window i wonder was it anyone from on here ? come on own up,
the labour leader is happy that he doesn’t have to get 51 votes so can fight a campaign
the bank of england boss is in hot water as there calling him a liar and want his blood
all the fake lies and scaremongering now looks like there hunting for the blood of those who told the lies like the bank of England bloke
am i in some sort of a dream ? will i wake up and it will be vote day today or somthing ?
all the brexit team has been destroyed my hero farage has done a runner
i am sure i have missed out plenty of things that have happend over the last 2 weeks
but bloody hell what on earth is going on ?
now we are out of the eu i demand the following
1 dcpc binned
2 wtd binned
3 love thy neighbour to be brought back on tv
4 Robinson jam jars to be allowed to have there little golliwogs that were hidden in the back of the jar back again
5 our schools allowed to be able to sing bah bah black sheep again
6 get rid of the 100 pence pound and bring back the old 240 penny pound
7 get rid of all metric systems and go back to the imperial
8 bring back teams of bin men who will come into your garden and collect your bin for you ( can you believe there used to be teams of 6 or men to a bin truck and they used to lift heavy steel bins on the back to empty them in the truck. compared to over paid wheelie bin collectors who you have to put the bin out for
OVLOV JAY:
My money’s on “after careful consideration, and in light of the deals offered by Brussels, it’s not in the interest of the country to invoke article 50” sometime around November. Maybe calling a general election, and she might even sling her hook for someone like Crabb to take over, if she’s a political sacrifice, just being thrown under the bus to scupper democracy 
Crabbe has as much chance of taking over the Conservatives as the Mysterons have of taking me over.
I’d give Theresa May until 18:01 tonight to invoke article 50.
If it doesn’t happen by the end of this week - those brexiteers like Boris that loaned their support these past few days, will smell “stitch up” and within days - the Tory party will be as divided a rabble as Labour are right now.
desypete:
its like a carry on flim the goings on and comings off in political loony land the last couple of weeks
the country voted out of the eu yippee, despite all the fears of god knows what we was told would happen to us should we vote out
then the political lot simply lost the plot and all hell broke loose in all the party’s
Cameron the guy who told us all we are not a nation of quitters, quit his post
hot fav to replace him was Boris the spider. anyone remember him ? he was the guy who declared June 23 would be our independence day seems we have got far more independence now as we have no one fit to govern us any more, i vote we let the royals rule us and get rid of parliament.
the torys had a contest but then everyone dropped out, the only one left to challenge may was got at with the hounds who wanted her blood so there was no contest and the winner is someone who wanted to remain in the eu so we have new pm now in the space of 2 weeks and someone who the country dont bloody well want but hey that’s just what we get always isn’t it ?
meanwhile in the labour camp
they decided to have a leadership contest as there angry there leader didn’t tell us all to vote to stay in and welcome even more ethnics with warm open arms etc, so they blame the fact so many people voted out because there fed up with the invasion on the labour leaders lack of standing, you would of thought they might of at least thought about why so many people voted out instead of lashing out, as if a labour leader could of changed the way people are feeling with the invasion that has taken place
now the fun begins as the leader will not stand down and the political correct in labour are scared if it goes to a vote of the party then the leader will win and keep his job, even thought hardly any of the mps have any confidence him his leadership
someone threw a brick smashing Angie window i wonder was it anyone from on here ? come on own up,
the labour leader is happy that he doesn’t have to get 51 votes so can fight a campaign
the bank of england boss is in hot water as there calling him a liar and want his blood
all the fake lies and scaremongering now looks like there hunting for the blood of those who told the lies like the bank of England bloke
am i in some sort of a dream ? will i wake up and it will be vote day today or somthing ?
all the brexit team has been destroyed my hero farage has done a runner
i am sure i have missed out plenty of things that have happend over the last 2 weeks
but bloody hell what on earth is going on ?
It all makes a lot more sense going by the explanation that the Cons suddenly realised that they are an ideologically Federalist Party who are there for the business and banker establishment with a Europhile majority parliamentary and referendum mandate to match.While the Eurosceptics were just doing a doomed Canute act of going against the tide.That includes the Conservative based UKIP.On that note like Davis,BoJo and Gove etc,Farage was never going to be for the Protectionist Nationalist Labour vote that actually forms the main mandate of the Leave vote.
The problem then being that there is no way of reflecting that vote within the Socialist and Blairite crippled Labour Party.
On that note it’s only the Leave vote that is leaderless and without a voice.Simply because,unlike the French and others in Europe,we don’t have a Nationalist Party to represent it.While Labour’s answer is to just shout louder at that Nationalist Labour vote to change it’s mind back to the same old pro immigration Europhile Socialist/Blairite rabble.
As for remainer May being crowned as leader and the silencing of the Eurosceptics and UKIP,from the point of view of the Conservative Party,that’s exactly what they had planned from the start assuming an obviously Nationalist Labour based Leave referendum result.In fact it’s the only logical answer bearing in mind there was never going to be a Conservative Leave mandate among Conservative voters.
So there we have it Brexit is just a bs dream that can’t possibly be catered for unless/until we get a proper Nationalist Party like the FN up and running.In this case obviously Nationalist Labour.
Winseer:
OVLOV JAY:
My money’s on “after careful consideration, and in light of the deals offered by Brussels, it’s not in the interest of the country to invoke article 50” sometime around November. Maybe calling a general election, and she might even sling her hook for someone like Crabb to take over, if she’s a political sacrifice, just being thrown under the bus to scupper democracy
Crabbe has as much chance of taking over the Conservatives as the Mysterons have of taking me over.
I’d give Theresa May until 18:01 tonight to invoke article 50.
If it doesn’t happen by the end of this week - those brexiteers like Boris that loaned their support these past few days, will smell “stitch up” and within days - the Tory party will be as divided a rabble as Labour are right now.
I think you’ve missed the small issue that the Conservative ‘Eurosceptics’ don’t have an electoral mandate,among the Conservative vote,to Leave.Our MP being just one example of that being a Conservative Eurosceptic in a safe Con seat that’s a 60/40 remain constituency. 
That’s in addition to the fact that ‘his’ ideas of Leave were more along the lines of the race to the bottom free markets ideas of Hannan not the protectionist economics of Hoey and Boyd.
Trust me we’re going no where and if article 50 does get invoked you can bet it will just swap EU for EEA.
And as long as we have the likes of corbyn and eagle in it, there’s no chance of that happening , so the tory scum will stay in office Maybe when Ukip re-launch they may have a change of tact and fill the void , though it does have too many ex tory mp’s in it
If people had voted in the proportional representation referendum, then we would have a decent number of UKIP MPs now, and even a split in labour party could result in MPs elected representing the lefty wing, blairites even nationalists if you like
THAT was the referendum that actually mattered to democracy, not this EU nonsense, but it didn’t even get 1/10th the interest that this one did
Because it’s so much easier to blame the foreigners isn’t it
chrisdalott:
If people had voted in the proportional representation referendum, then we would have a decent number of UKIP MPs now, and even a split in labour party could result in MPs elected representing the lefty wing, blairites even nationalists if you like
THAT was the referendum that actually mattered to democracy, not this EU nonsense, but it didn’t even get 1/10th the interest that this one did
Because it’s so much easier to blame the foreigners isn’t it
We didn’t get a referendum on PR.We had one on AV which is a totally different system.While we’ve already got PR within the European Parliamentary system.Which UKIP ‘could’ have used to its advantage by joining Le Pen in a Nationalist assault on the undemocratic Federal EU system by calling for a Confederal Europe giving supremacy to the National MEP groups.The problem being that UKIP were just a bunch of race to the bottom free markets Tory toffs,just pretending to be Nationalists and for the interests of the indigenous working class.Until Le Pen and recent events showed up Farage for the fraud he was in that regard.
Although you’re obviously all for the pro immigration Europhile agenda anyway so what are you moaning about.
tommy t:
And as long as we have the likes of corbyn and eagle in it, there’s no chance of that happening , so the tory scum will stay in office Maybe when Ukip re-launch they may have a change of tact and fill the void , though it does have too many ex tory mp’s in it
Firstly Corbyn is just doing what Socialists do in trying to infiltrate the Blairite tendency to increase the Socialist vote.When he’d be expected to be in the breakaway Socialist Labour Party like all the rest of the Socialist tossers should be.
As for a Nationalist Labour Party,like Socialist Labour,that would obviously have to be a new breakaway Party that couldn’t possibly have any connection with any of the existing Blairites and Socialists that have hijacked the working class cause of so called ‘Labour’.Although maybe people like Kate Hoey and John Boyd could be the exceptions that prove the rule in that regard.Maybe even Jack Straw also having made some of the right noises regards the immigration issue at least in the past.
desypete:
i vote we let the royals rule us and get rid of parliament.
Woah, steady on desy. I wouldnt trust any of that lot to run a tap, never mind a country
desypete:
now we are out of the eu i demand the following
1 dcpc binned
2 wtd binned
3 love thy neighbour to be brought back on tv
4 Robinson jam jars to be allowed to have there little golliwogs that were hidden in the back of the jar back again
5 our schools allowed to be able to sing bah bah black sheep again
6 get rid of the 100 pence pound and bring back the old 240 penny pound
7 get rid of all metric systems and go back to the imperial
8 bring back teams of bin men who will come into your garden and collect your bin for you ( can you believe there used to be teams of 6 or men to a bin truck and they used to lift heavy steel bins on the back to empty them in the truck. compared to over paid wheelie bin collectors who you have to put the bin out for
Dont know if 3,4,5 + 6 are jokes or if youre being serious but they made me chuckle. Especially No 3
The-Snowman:
desypete:
3 love thy neighbour to be brought back on tv
Dont know if 3,4,5 + 6 are jokes or if youre being serious but they made me chuckle. Especially No 3
youtube.com/watch?v=wZlWKy-BHkw
and News from the channel tunnel under the new leader…
youtube.com/watch?v=_MNZALcCzSg 
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
desypete:
3 love thy neighbour to be brought back on tv
Dont know if 3,4,5 + 6 are jokes or if youre being serious but they made me chuckle. Especially No 3
youtube.com/watch?v=wZlWKy-BHkw
I think he was and don’t see any issues with binning the PC bs there was nothing wrong with either the gollywog or black sheep
I also think this should be our real flag bin that union jack
And 8 i remember that, when local councils actually did something for the money we have to pay them, but years of cuts in funding by central government would have to be reversed ,i don’t see anything like that happening under this shower
Was just watching CH4 about the tory bs, and i see that Osborne has been binned , though what difference that will make with Hammond in his place i don’t know, probably more of the same cuts ect, but the bs and pro establishment bias spouted by their studio guests they all were deluded , what boils my ■■■■ is that people are so dumb they take whatever they say as correct and true without question
Boris Johnson is made foreign secretary!
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36789972
What could possibly go wrong?
I think either the chancellor or home sec should have gone to a brexiter. Apart from David Davis, nobody inspires me that they will go for a tough stance