In or Out- the EU referendum mega thread

desypete:
it seems we are all out of touch with what really matters in this country, if you watched the andrew marr show today it would seem what really matters is if a women has have a child or not you need one or the other to be fit enough to govern us.

i couldn’t believe i was seeing 2 women and one bloke all making waves over an issue about being a mother or not

this is why the political correct nuts are so out of touch with ordinary people who dont give a toss if someone is or has been a mum or not but to the feminist movement it seems like all hell has broke loose. even the news papers are having a field day going to try to smear.
i hope angie wins now and gives them yet another bloody nose, when will these people wake up that the more they play these silly games which dont matter a dot to anyone other than there own perverse world that people given the chance will do exactly the opposite to how there thinking

This will be from the claim that Leadsom had brought up the subject of family and motherhood, that because she had three children it put her on a pedestal May couldn’t claim. Sunday Times reporter Rachel Sylvester claimed, on the BBC, that it was Leadsom who introduced the issue of family:

“What was so striking was it was she [Leadsom] who introduced the issue of family, I didn’t raise it at all . . . it wasn’t I who introduced it, she did.”

However just one hour later, after the release of a partial recording of the interview Sylvester said she did raise the question. Leadsom completely denies raising the issue, calling the claim “gutter journalism”. No apology has been issued.

A full transcript here which shows that Sylvester did lead the interview in that direction.

Rjan:

tommy t:
If corbyn win a GE ge would flood the uk with imported labour and rapeugees

Corbyn has been voting against the EU for 40 years, and seems to be openly against EU free movement. I’m sure he’s not dead set against immigration, but I don’t know why you think he’d be in favour of flooding us with imported labour. He’s in favour of taking refugees in if necessary, but he has also opposed all the wars of late which created such a large refugee problem.

the man is a fool and a danger to this country and his own people, how can someone like him be for the working classes ? because the country could not cope with more people it’s already at breaking point NHS ,Schools, local authorities , road networks affordable housing . even rented property in some areas

Are you sure you know what Corbyn’s policies actually are? The fact that he’s in favour of taking in refugees is not an appreciably different position to the Blairites or the Tories (or many others). Where he does differ from the Blairites (Hilary Benn, for example, who is trying to oust him), is he’s against the military follies that have created these tidal waves of refugees.

So, if you’re against huge numbers of refugees, you would seem to be on Corbyn’s side in solving the problem at root (and against most of those who were in New Labour, not to mention the Tory party, who keep supporting war and military action).

Or do you think it’s necessary to smash states like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and almost Syria, but that the waves of refugees it creates must still be kept out?

Of course most want higher wages, and less undercutting by foreign companies operating in the uk that the brits cannot compete with , butr for wages to increase the size of the imported labour pool will have to shrink and be tightly controlled in the future,

And Corbyn supports these restrictions, and thinks that the EU can only continue if it upholds workers’ rights and living standards. It’s the people who are trying to topple him who don’t believe in these things.

there needs to be better a more capable border force, and all failed asylum seekers should be removed ASAP , changes in the law may be required to close the loophole that many bogus refugees (aka rapeugees) are exploiting having no id , Having no id should mean no entry into the uk deported to last country, so back to France or Belgium in most cases without further waste of tax payers money, and transported back on the most basic form of transport , IE no nice coaches,

There’d be a difference on these points but so asylum seekers really feature as large in your life as your wages, your access to housing, or your kids’ education? I know a lot of people think asylum seekers are taking houses and school places, but broadly the real cause is simply that they aren’t building remotely enough houses (like they did in the 60s) and are closing schools down (or were doing in the late 90s and early 00s).

In other words, the right-wing attacks on schools, housebuilding, and the health service, would be attacked even if there wasn’t a single immigrant in the country.

If he’s supposedly against dodgy wars surely the EU’s stance on Ukraine and its militarisation of the old Soviet buffer states,would be a deal breaker for him.

While if he’s as committed to being as anti EU as you say he is why change his principles in that regard.

Oh wait he is ideologically opposed to the idea of the nation state and wants the same vote as the Blairites because he knows that Socialist Labour is rightly a floundering rabble and an electoral liabilty.So any port in a storm on the basis that the EU is as Socialist as he needs to get at the moment. :unamused:

As for Corbyn’s ‘anti immigration’ credentials that’s another larf in itself bearing in mind all the above.While no thanks the idea of not wanting to live in a Socialist allocated Baghdad suburb or Soviet style inner city land scape,as part of Merkel’s Socialist Stasi no borders Eurasian Federation,doesn’t make anyone ‘right wing’.

Rjan:
In other words, the right-wing attacks on wages, schools, housebuilding, and the health service, would be attacked even if there wasn’t a single immigrant in the country.

Right wing? Were Labour right wing during their thirteen year tenure?

Stanley Knife:
This will be from the claim that Leadsom had brought up the subject of family and motherhood, that because she had three children it put her on a pedestal May couldn’t claim. Sunday Times reporter Rachel Sylvester claimed, on the BBC, that it was Leadsom who introduced the issue of family:

“What was so striking was it was she [Leadsom] who introduced the issue of family, I didn’t raise it at all . . . it wasn’t I who introduced it, she did.”

However just one hour later, after the release of a partial recording of the interview Sylvester said she did raise the question. Leadsom completely denies raising the issue, calling the claim “gutter journalism”. No apology has been issued.

A full transcript here which shows that Sylvester did lead the interview in that direction.

To be fair if Leadsom is saying that a woman’s place is in the home raising her kids,not sending them off to Socialist Chinese style boot camp from 7 am-10pm at the age of 3,to suit the mother’s career child care needs.So she’s decided to hand the job over to Fox or Davis as an example to the nation’s women.Just like the statement that EEA membership is off the table,would all help. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

OMG, does this thread ever move on?

Or have any other content than the words “Socialist bs…”

Evil8Beezle:
OMG, does this thread ever move on?

Or have any other content than the words “Socialist bs…”

Strange why you’ve obviously chosen to miss the more important key point that Nationalist doesn’t mean ■■■■. :confused: As for Socialist bs Corbyn has proved that beyond doubt.

Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:
OMG, does this thread ever move on?

Or have any other content than the words “Socialist bs…”

Strange why you’ve obviously chosen to miss the more important key point that Nationalist doesn’t mean ■■■■. :confused: As for Socialist bs Corbyn has proved that beyond doubt.

LOL, Can I be a National Socialist then? :smiley:

Stanley Knife:

desypete:
it seems we are all out of touch with what really matters in this country, if you watched the andrew marr show today it would seem what really matters is if a women has have a child or not you need one or the other to be fit enough to govern us.

i couldn’t believe i was seeing 2 women and one bloke all making waves over an issue about being a mother or not

this is why the political correct nuts are so out of touch with ordinary people who dont give a toss if someone is or has been a mum or not but to the feminist movement it seems like all hell has broke loose. even the news papers are having a field day going to try to smear.
i hope angie wins now and gives them yet another bloody nose, when will these people wake up that the more they play these silly games which dont matter a dot to anyone other than there own perverse world that people given the chance will do exactly the opposite to how there thinking

This will be from the claim that Leadsom had brought up the subject of family and motherhood, that because she had three children it put her on a pedestal May couldn’t claim. Sunday Times reporter Rachel Sylvester claimed, on the BBC, that it was Leadsom who introduced the issue of family:

“What was so striking was it was she [Leadsom] who introduced the issue of family, I didn’t raise it at all . . . it wasn’t I who introduced it, she did.”

However just one hour later, after the release of a partial recording of the interview Sylvester said she did raise the question. Leadsom completely denies raising the issue, calling the claim “gutter journalism”. No apology has been issued.

A full transcript here which shows that Sylvester did lead the interview in that direction.

you will find no one gives a toss about who said what to whom and when about being a mum, except of course anyone who wants to try to play the smear games that goes hand in hand with the political correct lot
i can not believe all the fuss that has gone on, with blair in deep trouble up to his neck they somehow find a way to carpet someone who has been a mum and try to turn and twist it to there own ends
honestly is it no wonder ukip have done so well as this is all politics is about these days, ie who is fiddling who, who has got there trousers down this week etc

why the bbc wasted even a second to air that rubbish is beyond me or give those political correct fems a platform to talk there rubbish. but then anyone in the may camp will be jumping for joy
however the way things have gone over the last couple of years the establishment loses even when it looks like a sure thing what a pitty the people can not decide who should be our pm as you can bet your underpants that may wouldnt get a look in, i wonder do the torys know if the voters could choose they wouldn’t choose may ? i think they must do so i fully expect angie to win over may so the torys can be seen to be doing what the people would accept rather than just the handful of toffs who will get to choose

Evil8Beezle:

Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:
OMG, does this thread ever move on?

Or have any other content than the words “Socialist bs…”

Strange why you’ve obviously chosen to miss the more important key point that Nationalist doesn’t mean ■■■■. :confused: As for Socialist bs Corbyn has proved that beyond doubt.

LOL, Can I be a National Socialist then? :smiley:

you will be trying to tell us next that your a hgv driver

desypete:

Evil8Beezle:

Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:
OMG, does this thread ever move on?

Or have any other content than the words “Socialist bs…”

Strange why you’ve obviously chosen to miss the more important key point that Nationalist doesn’t mean ■■■■. :confused: As for Socialist bs Corbyn has proved that beyond doubt.

LOL, Can I be a National Socialist then? :smiley:

you will be trying to tell us next that your a hgv driver

Well I do have a DCPC, so yes mate! :smiley:
But I did do that and get an ADR licence at the same time, so does that really count? :open_mouth:
I’ve never crapped in a bag though, so I’m guessing not…

I’m sure the 100,000 or so Tory card carriers won’t be swayed by all this bull.

Angela Eagle seems to think she can run a party that’ll split in half regardless of if Corbyn stays or goes now. She’s the next Shirley Williams by the looks of it.

It’s worrying that 48% of this country seem to think the leftie crappy arguments are somehow a good thing to follow…
It’s all very nice for them to demand higher taxes upon working people to pay for those who can’t be arsed to work’s benefits - but who pays the ferryman?

Brexit begins properly - when companies realize they can actually do what they want, and ignore EU regulation NOW. It’s all about “no one wants to be the first on the dance floor though”.
NO one should be holding their breath for an engraved invitation from the EU that “we are free, and can do what we will” from now on.
Brexit isn’t something “given” - It’s something TAKEN. :bulb:

OVLOV JAY:
And don’t forget he’d do away with our nuclear deterrent. Opening the borders and dropping defence is like setting fire to your house and turning the water off. I think he’s mind is trapped at Woodstock. Peace and love man and all that crap

We have aircraft carriers without aircraft, nuclear subs left high and dry, vastly more admirals than ships, what function do people think the independent nuclear deterrent is really performing?

It’s a deterrent designed to deter large states from all-out war against us, for perceived advantage, by threatening to blow us all to kingdom come. No such threats exist, and the possibility of their return is for now remote. Moreover our would-be enemies (who are suitable to be deterred by nuclear weapons) no longer perceive our deterrent as independent, and we have no independent defences to nuclear bombs (and the ability to win attrition is one of the keystones of nuclear deterrence).

It’s not so much like setting fire to the house, as ceasing to maintain the gold-plated Gatling gun on the front lawn - or even the nuclear bomb itself on the front lawn. It’s a sign of being slightly paranoid and slightly mad.

Carryfast:

Rjan:
Corbyn has been voting against the EU for 40 years…

If he’s supposedly against dodgy wars surely the EU’s stance on Ukraine and its militarisation of the old Soviet buffer states,would be a deal breaker for him.

Corbyn indeed appears to be against it, so he’s on your side here. And either way, our current actions there do not threaten us with a tidal wave of refugees from undeveloped states.

While if he’s as committed to being as anti EU as you say he is why change his principles in that regard.

I don’t think he has. I think he’s secretly pleased about Brexit, which is exactly a charge made against him by the Blairites (who accuse him of voting for Brexit).

But a leader by definition has to carry others with him, and in this case the Labour party is strongly Bremain (he’d have caused an immediate split if he’d supported Brexit), and right wingers will seek to exploit Brexit to different ends than the left, and with a Tory government those who suffer the economic effects will be predominantly poor, so I think practical matters are enough to explain Corbyn’s evidently sullen support for Bremain.

Oh wait he is ideologically opposed to the idea of the nation state and wants the same vote as the Blairites because he knows that Socialist Labour is rightly a floundering rabble and an electoral liabilty.So any port in a storm on the basis that the EU is as Socialist as he needs to get at the moment. :unamused:

I think you’ll find Corbyn’s views are somewhat nationalist - in the sense of the “socialism in one country” line of economic thought. Many on the left are curling our toes and waiting to see where this goes, but again Ukippers would have no objection to nationalism which is why I say I find it surprising how critical many are of Corbyn.

As for Corbyn’s ‘anti immigration’ credentials that’s another larf in itself bearing in mind all the above.While no thanks the idea of not wanting to live in a Socialist allocated Baghdad suburb or Soviet style inner city land scape,as part of Merkel’s Socialist Stasi no borders Eurasian Federation,doesn’t make anyone ‘right wing’.

As I say, Corbyn’s not anti-immigration axiomatically, but neither are most people these days. He is however against EU free movement because of its effects on workers - and that is no different from my own position, although I’d state the argument differently to how I’ve heard it so far from Corbyn.

Stanley Knife:

Rjan:
In other words, the right-wing attacks on wages, schools, housebuilding, and the health service, would be attacked even if there wasn’t a single immigrant in the country.

Right wing? Were Labour right wing during their thirteen year tenure?

Well, yes. What did they do for wages (except at the very extreme with NMW)? Schools closed whilst New Labour were in. The health service continued to be privatised with disastrous PFI deals which ■■■■ the taxpayer. No council house building programme was implemented, and they let housing become unaffordable for many. They started the attacks on social security in 2008. They supported immigration while it undermined wages and conditions. They abolished free university education. They took us into several disastrous wars.

Yes, New Labour were a centre-right government, with barely more than lip service to workers whilst the ground gave way under the feet of working class people. Even the Tories are raising the NMW - the Blairites are/were not distinguishable from Cameron’s Tories.

I’ve known some Labour-supporting trade unionists, who during the Blair and Ken Jackson era, used to openly describe themselves as centre-right. What chance of people got when their trade union officers are on the side of the bosses? Thank god for Len McCluskey.

Carryfast:
To be fair if Leadsom is saying that a woman’s place is in the home raising her kids,not sending them off to Socialist Chinese style boot camp from 7 am-10pm at the age of 3,to suit the mother’s career child care needs.

And yet it’s free market forces, and social security reforms, which she supports wholeheartedly, that are the reason working-class women (i.e. women in families that work for a living) need to go out to work 7am-10pm and put their children in boot camp.

I’m no fan of May, but Leadsom could hardly have been more insulting if she’d called her a barren old hag. It’s so ill-judged and hurtful a comparison that it more than counterbalances the implied argument that Leadsom is a compassionate mother of children.

Well it appears there now isn’t a leadership contest! :open_mouth:
Leadsom has withdrawn…
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208

But will this mean we get May in quicker and get Brexit going, or will they just faff about and do bugger all while spouting lots of waffle?
Politics just doesn’t change does it, no wonder most people aren’t interested in it… :unamused:

Evil8Beezle:
Well it appears there now isn’t a leadership contest! :open_mouth:
Leadsom has withdrawn…
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208

But will this mean we get May in quicker and get Brexit going, or will they just faff about and do bugger all while spouting lots of waffle?
Politics just doesn’t change does it, no wonder most people aren’t interested in it… :unamused:

It was definitely all rigged from the beginning now that control freak is going to turn us into a 1984 surveillance state that will seek to destroy our privacy ect

Hopefully one of the other cluster ■■■■’s AKA (other mainstream political parties )can form a strong opposition come election time and the tory scum will be removed from office

Evil8Beezle:
Well it appears there now isn’t a leadership contest! :open_mouth:
Leadsom has withdrawn…
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208

But will this mean we get May in quicker and get Brexit going, or will they just faff about and do bugger all while spouting lots of waffle?
Politics just doesn’t change does it, no wonder most people aren’t interested in it… :unamused:

It doesn’t when the CON selfservatives have their way

May won’t be rushing around to get us out of the EU if we even get out of it, EEA isn’t out and isn’t what leave voters voted for brexit May wants us to remain a slave yo the eu dictatorship maybe we need a petition/Referendum to kick her out of office before the GE

As for us voting for the self serving pigs that all have their snouts deep in the trough (public ■■■■■) why would anyone bother voting when their votes count for nothing with the current voting system and at this moment their isn’t any of them worthy of a vote

tommy t:

Evil8Beezle:
Well it appears there now isn’t a leadership contest! :open_mouth:
Leadsom has withdrawn…
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208

But will this mean we get May in quicker and get Brexit going, or will they just faff about and do bugger all while spouting lots of waffle?
Politics just doesn’t change does it, no wonder most people aren’t interested in it… :unamused:

It doesn’t when the CON selfservatives have their way

May won’t be rushing around to get us out of the EU if we even get out of it, EEA isn’t out and isn’t what leave voters voted for brexit May wants us to remain a slave yo the eu dictatorship maybe we need a petition/Referendum to kick her out of office before the GE

She’s certainly making the right noises about leaving the EU, she even talks about business people not looking at the opportunities leaving the EU will give us.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36760953

tachograph:

tommy t:

Evil8Beezle:
Well it appears there now isn’t a leadership contest! :open_mouth:
Leadsom has withdrawn…
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208

But will this mean we get May in quicker and get Brexit going, or will they just faff about and do bugger all while spouting lots of waffle?
Politics just doesn’t change does it, no wonder most people aren’t interested in it… :unamused:

It doesn’t when the CON selfservatives have their way

May won’t be rushing around to get us out of the EU if we even get out of it, EEA isn’t out and isn’t what leave voters voted for brexit May wants us to remain a slave yo the eu dictatorship maybe we need a petition/Referendum to kick her out of office before the GE

She’s certainly making the right noises about leaving the EU, she even talks about business people not looking at the opportunities leaving the EU will give us.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36760953

She can say what the hell she wants , talking isn’t doing( and usually amounts to no more than BS ,typical tory) once she gets us out of the EU , NOT EEA , as that is not what brexit was about, and she could not control the borders with EEA, and talking of controlling our borders she will have to first employ lots of border force staff and buy new spotter aircraft and cutters to replace the ones that she sold in her last job instils a lot of faith ,not