tommy t:
I agree with this, she isn’t what the people want and is already unpopular http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/05/prime-minister-theresa-may-insult-democracy/
The bigger questions are why did Farage walk away,why are David Davis and Kate Hoey so silent,and why was Farage so keen on distancing UKIP from the FN etc.When it’s obvious that the Nationalist v Socialist argument can only be settled on a Europe wide basis in the form of a Confederal v Federal Europe.Oh wait UKIP was an ideologically Federalist anti Nationalist Party standing on a bs anti Federalist ticket.Just like the so called ‘Eurosceptic’ Conservatives.While Hoey has obviously been silenced by the Socialist rabble like momentum that’s infiltrated Labour.
Looooo:
I accept indigenous populations can feel overwhelmed but I also believe this country has a proud tradition of resisting the lure of fascism precisely because we understand how seductive and easy it is. As we have heard quoted a few times recently, it is easy to light the fire but not so easy to keep it from getting out of control.
Here’s a clue fascism is a Socialist ideology not a Nationalist one.Forced ethnic integration being just the other extreme to ethnic cleansing and genocide.
When nationalism means friends with fences in the form of the nation state and knowing that there is a point where we have to say enough regards immigration.
Although no surprise that it’s ok for the Socialist agenda to use it’s bs version of re written history.But not the Nationalist side to refute that with real history.
On that note you do know that ‘your side’ lost a democratic vote,against a Leave manifesto based on ending free movement between EU states,let alone Merkel’s bs ideas for ‘distribution’ of non EU immigration.IE you’re in no position to be dictating terms here.While hopefully those like you will find themselves in the same position in Austria now without the help of a defrauded electoral process there.
Evil8Beezle:
robroy:
alicks77:
You are English because you were born there but so is a first generation immigrant born there who’s parents are Pakistani. No more no less.
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I’m not going to start this post with the old ‘‘I’m not a racist but’’ chestnut 
… because I know myself that I am anything but, so I feel no necessity to explain myself.
Do these British first (or second) generation, (maybe not specifically Pakistani but certainly general Middle East origin) that you speak of that are, and consider themselves fully British, include the ones who went to Iraq and Afghan to join the Taliban, to fight against and kill, our British forces, or the ones who went out to Syria to join I.S., or that piece of human crap, the murderer ‘Jihadi John’ …just asking. 
No Robroy, it’s just the ones that call for sharia law in the UK, and the conversion of our country to Muslim values! 
I’ve never heard anyone call for sharia law in this country except the usual zealots and they are a tiny tiny minority.
Are they Muslim community like 3% of the british population and most British Muslims when asked don’t want sharia law so I don’t know who you’ve heard asked about it. The only people that are obsessed with it are the right wingers, who say if people don’t obey our laws they should be killed. Which is essentially sharia law.
alicks77:
Evil8Beezle:
No Robroy, it’s just the ones that call for sharia law in the UK, and the conversion of our country to Muslim values!
I’ve never heard anyone call for sharia law in this country except the usual zealots and they are a tiny tiny minority.
Are they Muslim community like 3% of the british population and most British Muslims when asked don’t want sharia law so I don’t know who you’ve heard asked about it. The only people that are obsessed with it are the right wingers, who say if people don’t obey our laws they should be killed. Which is essentially sharia law.
I think the idea is more a case of if they don’t want to obey our laws they can go home.The question then being why would/should we provide them with more rights to practice their faith and culture here than the Islamic world is prepared to provide to non Muslims in places like Saudi.
As for so called ‘right wingers’ what’s your definition of ‘left’.Let me guess world without borders and those from the poorest countries given the priority to live in the richest ones and all that supposedly being good for indigenous ‘the working class’ in Western Europe.
alicks77:
I’ve never heard anyone call for sharia law in this country except the usual zealots and they are a tiny tiny minority.
Are they Muslim community like 3% of the british population and most British Muslims when asked don’t want sharia law so I don’t know who you’ve heard asked about it. The only people that are obsessed with it are the right wingers, who say if people don’t obey our laws they should be killed. Which is essentially sharia law.
I’m not saying the majority mate, just in the same way the majority of Brexit voters are not in my opinion racist…
And in both cases while they are small in number, their impact cannot be ignored!
I personally don’t care what religion someone is, as I think the lot of them are nuts putting their faith in something that doesn’t exist, but that’s just me and it makes them happy without impacting on others, then let them get on with it. But I draw the line when they try to use their alleged religious rights to get special treatment. I can’t walk into a bank with a crash helmet on as it conceals my identity and I get that, but if I can’t then that should be the rule for all. If that makes me a racist then fine I’m a racist. What I would like is for people that want to come and live in this country come accepting the language, values and laws of this country and therefore integrating, and if they don’t like it, they can bugger off!
alicks77:
Evil8Beezle:
robroy:
alicks77:
You are English because you were born there but so is a first generation immigrant born there who’s parents are Pakistani. No more no less.
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I’m not going to start this post with the old ‘‘I’m not a racist but’’ chestnut … because I know myself that I am anything but, so I feel no necessity to explain myself.
Do these British first (or second) generation, (maybe not specifically Pakistani but certainly general Middle East origin) that you speak of that are, and consider themselves fully British, include the ones who went to Iraq and Afghan to join the Taliban, to fight against and kill, our British forces, or the ones who went out to Syria to join I.S., or that piece of human crap, the murderer ‘Jihadi John’ …just asking.
No Robroy, it’s just the ones that call for sharia law in the UK, and the conversion of our country to Muslim values!
I’ve never heard anyone call for sharia law in this country except the usual zealots and they are a tiny tiny minority.
Are they Muslim community like 3% of the british population and most British Muslims when asked don’t want sharia law so I don’t know who you’ve heard asked about it. The only people that are obsessed with it are the right wingers, who say if people don’t obey our laws they should be killed. Which is essentially sharia law.
The UK's Sharia 'courts' - Full Fact Shows that there are at least around 80 sharia courts around the uk, there maybe more, This is a problem, our country our culture our law , now if they don’t like that then they should just do one instead of try to change or undermine our ways of life, This is what being too tolerant has allowed, mosques everywhere & white flight
Did you know that Muslims in our prisons are given a compass and a prayer mat? they are given extra breaks in the work place to pray,
Evil8Beezle:
What I would like is for people that want to come and live in this country come accepting the language, values and laws of this country and therefore integrating, and if they don’t like it, they can bugger off!
Ironically I actually prefer the immigrant communities to form enclaves on the basis of each to their own and follow their own cultures and languages etc.
The bit I have a problem with is when those enclaves get large enough to affect the electoral demographic and/or lead to moves towards self determination in whatever form whether peaceful or violent.
Herein lies the liberal logic that astounds me.
Islamic extremists: oh they’re just a tiny minority, ignore them as they don’t represent everyone with the same views.
White racists: Condemn them, lock them up, flog them, they’ve infected everyone, and anyone who is to the right of me is a facist idiot.
Hardly surprising the liberals get so much flack really
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
What I would like is for people that want to come and live in this country come accepting the language, values and laws of this country and therefore integrating, and if they don’t like it, they can bugger off!
Ironically I actually prefer the immigrant communities to form enclaves on the basis of each to their own and follow their own cultures and languages etc.
The bit I have a problem with is when those enclaves get large enough to affect the electoral demographic and/or lead to moves towards self determination in whatever form whether peaceful or violent.
Why are they given the right to vote if they don’t want to integrate /westernise ?
OVLOV JAY:
Herein lies the liberal logic that astounds me.
Islamic extremists: oh they’re just a tiny minority, ignore them as they don’t represent everyone with the same views.
White racists: Condemn them, lock them up, flog them, they’ve infected everyone, and anyone who is to the right of me is a facist idiot.
Hardly surprising the liberals get so much flack really
The logic that astounds me is how world without borders let em all in ethnic integrationist nutters consider that as being good for the indigenous working class.Assuming good for the indigenous working class means ‘left’.
alicks77:
I’ve never heard anyone call for sharia law in this country except the usual zealots and they are a tiny tiny minority.
Are they Muslim community like 3% of the british population and most British Muslims when asked don’t want sharia law so I don’t know who you’ve heard asked about it. The only people that are obsessed with it are the right wingers, who say if people don’t obey our laws they should be killed. Which is essentially sharia law.
Are you for real mate or what?? 
tommy t:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
What I would like is for people that want to come and live in this country come accepting the language, values and laws of this country and therefore integrating, and if they don’t like it, they can bugger off!
Ironically I actually prefer the immigrant communities to form enclaves on the basis of each to their own and follow their own cultures and languages etc.
The bit I have a problem with is when those enclaves get large enough to affect the electoral demographic and/or lead to moves towards self determination in whatever form whether peaceful or violent.
Why are they given the right to vote if they don’t want to integrate /westernise ?
If we’re applying the type of numerical control that we need does it really matter if they can vote and not integrate.Bearing in mind that it’s integration which causes alienation and friction rather than solves it.While a few votes here and there and immigrant communities doing their own thing hurts no one.As I said it’s only when the numbers reach a critical mass that sparks the human condition of self determination that the problems start. 
Carryfast:
tommy t:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
What I would like is for people that want to come and live in this country come accepting the language, values and laws of this country and therefore integrating, and if they don’t like it, they can bugger off!
Ironically I actually prefer the immigrant communities to form enclaves on the basis of each to their own and follow their own cultures and languages etc.
The bit I have a problem with is when those enclaves get large enough to affect the electoral demographic and/or lead to moves towards self determination in whatever form whether peaceful or violent.
Why are they given the right to vote if they don’t want to integrate /westernise ?
If we’re applying the type of numerical control that we need does it really matter if they can vote and not integrate.Bearing in mind that it’s integration which causes alienation and friction rather than solves it.While a few votes here and there and immigrant communities doing their own thing hurts no one.As I said it’s only when the numbers reach a critical mass that sparks the human condition of self determination that the problems start.
can you see this happening any time soon, don’t forget they breed like rats ?
And what does any of the above bile have to do with the UK leaving the EU? Are you suggesting that the UK took an axe to the hull of its economy, scuppering the ship and condemning future generations to economic uncertainty because you thought it would stop muslims coming here?
Nice one. We will face the consequences of that. All the businesses that are looking into transferring warehouses to the continent to avoid tariffs, the investment funds frantically pulling out of the country, all driven by a wildly misguided hope that it will stop johnny foreigner “invading”. Good grief.
If you could see how absurd this looks to people sitting watching this farce in other countries.
Uk literally vandalises itself out of bloody mindedness.
You thought being a part of EU was subservient. That it involved bending our knee to a triumphant Fritz cos you are so stuck in an episode of Dad’s Army that you can’t accept the world has moved on. There are new enemies and they aren’t our immediate neighbours, they are the loonies lopping heads off in the voids created by various wars, and an expansionist Russia, both of whom will be nothing but pleased to watch us begin the destruction of our own side.
But that is just my opinion.
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Oh, and have you heard Ken’s unguarded comments yet?
Looooo:
And what does any of the above bile have to do with the UK leaving the EU? Are you suggesting that the UK took an axe to the hull of its economy, scuppering the ship and condemning future generations to economic uncertainty because you thought it would stop muslims coming here?
Nice one. We will face the consequences of that. All the businesses that are looking into transferring warehouses to the continent to avoid tariffs, the investment funds frantically pulling out of the country, all driven by a wildly misguided hope that it will stop johnny foreigner “invading”. Good grief.
If you could see how absurd this looks to people sitting watching this farce in other countries.
Uk literally vandalises itself out of bloody mindedness.
You thought being a part of EU was subservient. That it involved bending our knee to a triumphant Fritz cos you are so stuck in an episode of Dad’s Army that you can’t accept the world has moved on. There are new enemies and they aren’t our immediate neighbours, they are the loonies lopping heads off in the voids created by various wars, and an expansionist Russia, both of whom will be nothing but pleased to watch us begin the destruction of our own side.
You’ve obviously missed the bit about Merkel having opened up Europe’s borders to millions of Islamic immigrants mostly no surprise young men of fighting age and now intending to use the dictatorial EU federal system mechanism to ‘distribute’ them around Europe.Added to fastracking of Turkish membership to add even more to the numbers.While we already know the Socialist sympathies with the aggressive Arab world in that regard going back to at least the 1967 Arab Israeli war.
As for the EU wanting to kick off a trade war with us.If only it was true because then we could re locate ‘our’ lost manufacturing industry to supply ‘our’ domestic market that’s been lost to Europe with a massive trade deficit to prove it.
Then your idea of dealing with extreme Islam is to open our borders to them in as many numbers who want to come here.While blaming Russia because you and your socialist EU zb wit mates want to take over zb Ukraine including Crimea.In which case if you really want to go for Russia on that basis you’ll not only lose,but also rightly so,being that it’s the EU which is the expansionist aggressor in that case.In addition to moving the EU’s borders and NATO up to Russia’s border in the Baltic states and Poland.
So there we have it these are the type of totally deranged nutters that those who want to stay with the EU in it’s present form are supporting.Whether it be so called ‘peace’ by allowing the Islamic world in to invade us or picking a pointless fight with the biggest country in the world.Or telling us we’ll lose a trade war from the position of being a net importer.
Looooo:
Oh, and have you heard Ken’s unguarded comments yet?
But Clarke hopes Leadsom at least understands how foolish it would be to deliver on “some of the extremely stupid things she’s been saying”. What’s more, “she’s not one of the tiny band of lunatics who thinks we can have a glorious economic future outside the single market”.
He’s wrong on that point we don’t need no single market, the main reason the lefty nutters keep on harping on about it ,is so the invasion of this country can continue, along with the cheap labor that comes with it, and that does the working classes no good , and secondly is the easiest option for government , but that isn’t the brexit we voted for , nor do we really need to access the single market that’s propaganda by those who want us to remain enslaved to the dictatorship EU
tommy t:
Looooo:
Oh, and have you heard Ken’s unguarded comments yet?
But Clarke hopes Leadsom at least understands how foolish it would be to deliver on “some of the extremely stupid things she’s been saying”. What’s more, “she’s not one of the tiny band of lunatics who thinks we can have a glorious economic future outside the single market”.
He’s wrong on that point we don’t need no single market, the main reason the lefty nutters keep on harping on about it ,is so the invasion of this country can continue, along with the cheap labor that comes with it, and that does the working classes no good , and secondly is the easiest option for government , but that isn’t the brexit we voted for , nor do we really need to access the single market that’s propaganda by those who want us to remain enslaved to the dictatorship EU
Ken Clarke.The type of federalist zb wit who Farage has now given the initiative to.Rather than keeping his stupid mouth shut and keeping his head down and building bridges with the FN and AfD etc etc and getting our ‘country back’ in the form of the UKIP vote within a Confederal Europe.It might have took a bit longer but at least it would have got the job done.Unlike the cluster zb he’s created now in which the remainers have won by losing the referendum because the whole thing was predictably rigged against Brexit win or lose. On that note whose side was he actually on.
As for Clarke there was a referendum,based on a non free movement manifesto,remain lost.Like his zb wit Socialist allies he obviously only does democracy when it suits him.