robroy:
Carryfast:
You don’t seem to know much about European history.
Well you know what Carryfast? I do, I took it to A level because I have a huge interest in it, but you are even boring the [zb] arse off someone like me.
We have had to endure 50 pages of your History based ego trip. We all get it mate, you are either good at history or good at googling, but nobody cares so ffs give it a rest.
Nobody cares about what went on with Napoleon, Mussolini, or the Nazis annexing the Sudetenland and all the rest of it, let’s just stick to the thread, what are the effects, benefits and pitfalls of the Brexit vote, who is going to lead our country through it all, and who is the best candidate to do it, how is it going to affect us both as UK citizens and as drivers in the haulage industry.
So let’s just knock Hitler, Tito, and Kemmel [zb] Attaturk into touch for a while eh, and look forward.
If this is an unpopular opinion, and the rest of you are hanging on Carryfast’s every word while he holds council with us that are less well educated (yeh right 
) I apologise to you all.
But somehow I doubt it.
So exactly what the zb are you trying to say. 
Are you saying that the examples of history,related to typical dictatorial ideology of Federalism,don’t apply to the EU ?.Even though we know it was founded along Socialist Yugoslav type lines.While on that basis are you then saying let’s not go for the more democratic idea of a Confederal Europe,which recognises the supremacy of the Nation State over the Federation and resulting self determination regarding the decision making process as it applies in the European States.
While if you’re saying let’s go for the Yugoslav type option you are obviously looking back.To an idealistic,utopian,dictatorial, regressive idea,that’s already been shown to inevitably and predictably end up in a war of secession at some point.You know nasty things in which people die.On that note I obviously didn’t do the socialist indoctrinated A levels and equally obviously it shows.Because only a fool makes the same mistakes as in the past and expects a different outcome.
Evil8Beezle:
My point was that Pete is 100% hung up on the Nationalist aspect…
And I’m well aware of the middle class lib dem types, as I haven’t always been a trucker! 
Yes we have plenty in this country that preach what is basically crap, as they don’t have to live in the crap of their ideas!
Yes Pete is rightly 100% hung up on the Nationalist aspect because this is a 100% Nationalist v 100% Socialist/Federalist argument. 
Carryfast:
robroy:
Carryfast:
You don’t seem to know much about European history.
Well you know what Carryfast? I do, I took it to A level because I have a huge interest in it, but you are even boring the [zb] arse off someone like me.
We have had to endure 50 pages of your History based ego trip. We all get it mate, you are either good at history or good at googling, but nobody cares so ffs give it a rest.
Nobody cares about what went on with Napoleon, Mussolini, or the Nazis annexing the Sudetenland and all the rest of it, let’s just stick to the thread, what are the effects, benefits and pitfalls of the Brexit vote, who is going to lead our country through it all, and who is the best candidate to do it, how is it going to affect us both as UK citizens and as drivers in the haulage industry.
So let’s just knock Hitler, Tito, and Kemmel [zb] Attaturk into touch for a while eh, and look forward.
If this is an unpopular opinion, and the rest of you are hanging on Carryfast’s every word while he holds council with us that are less well educated (yeh right ) I apologise to you all.
But somehow I doubt it.
So exactly what the zb are you trying to say.
Are you saying that the examples of history,related to typical dictatorial ideology of Federalism,don’t apply to the EU ?.Even though we know it was founded along Socialist Yugoslav type lines.While on that basis are you then saying let’s not go for the more democratic idea of a Confederal Europe,which recognises the supremacy of the National vote and self determination regarding the decision making process as it applies in the European States.
While if you’re saying let’s go for the Yugoslav type option you are obviously looking back.To an idealistic,utopian,dictatorial, regressive idea,that’s already been shown to inevitably and predictably end up in a war of secession at some point.You know nasty things in which people die.On that note I obviously didn’t do the socialist indoctrinated A levels and equally obviously it shows.Because only a fool makes the same mistakes as in the past and expects a different outcome.
You just can’t help yourself can you.
Your interpretation of posts adressed to you never cease to amaze me.
Let me reiterate. Look to the present and the future, we have all had our history lesson.
robroy:
Let me reiterate. Look to the present and the future, we have all had our history lesson.
Fair enough so what future do we want.Backward Communist based Federal Europe v modern democratic Confederal one.Bearing in mind that Brexit has predictably descended into Federalist sabotaged bs and farce which Farage should have took with him and shoved where the sun don’t shine.
Why are some migrants and ex pats in other eu countries Thinking that they will be deported are they for real, although May hasn’t helped on this with her scaremongering Another clue may isnt the right person for the job
Evil8Beezle:
And I’m well aware of the middle class lib dem types, as I haven’t always been a trucker!
Are you insinuating that us long term truckers are socially challenged.
I’ll have you know my friend that I am very well bred, and well versed in social etiquette, even if I do speak with a Northern accent.
I have always considered myself middle class in my street.
I only ever take the best quality Waitrose jar of pickled onions to eat in the bath, none of your Lidl rubbish, and I always get out of it to take a ■■■■.
Evil8Beezle:
And you wonder why some people think you’re a racist Pete! 
To be honest I don’t give a flying flea bag in boxers what anyone thinks if they can not deal with the truth of the matter and would rather try dressing up the issues just to be or sound like a political correct wally that is up to them. You can not ignore 80% voted leave in high migrants areas and there reasons were loud and clear there sick of it and want less migrants now are they all racist ? Or people who are born and bred in the home town who are seeing it being taken over how else can they say it
robroy:
Well you know what Carryfast? I do, I took it to A level because I have a huge interest in it, but you are even boring the [zb] arse off someone like me.
We have had to endure 50 pages of your History based ego trip. We all get it mate, you are either good at history or good at googling, but nobody cares so ffs give it a rest.
Nobody cares about what went on with Napoleon, Mussolini, or the Nazis annexing the Sudetenland and all the rest of it, let’s just stick to the thread, what are the effects, benefits and pitfalls of the Brexit vote, who is going to lead our country through it all, and who is the best candidate to do it, how is it going to affect us both as UK citizens and as drivers in the haulage industry.
So let’s just knock Hitler, Tito, and Kemmel [zb] Attaturk into touch for a while eh, and look forward.
If this is an unpopular opinion, and the rest of you are hanging on Carryfast’s every word while he holds council with us that are less well educated (yeh right ) I apologise to you all.
But somehow I doubt it.
Nope, no arguments here Rob. I agree with you
I got bored of his contradictions, hypocrisy and general knowitallitis about 15 pages ago. He back tracks and changes the subject when it starts to go against him and its getting tiresome now. You cant post anything on this thread without him sticking his oar in with a history lesson of what happened when, god knows how many years ago and then finishing with a rolling eyes emijon.
Carryfast:
robroy:
Carryfast:
You don’t seem to know much about European history.
Well you know what Carryfast? I do, I took it to A level because I have a huge interest in it, but you are even boring the [zb] arse off someone like me.
We have had to endure 50 pages of your History based ego trip. We all get it mate, you are either good at history or good at googling, but nobody cares so ffs give it a rest.
Nobody cares about what went on with Napoleon, Mussolini, or the Nazis annexing the Sudetenland and all the rest of it, let’s just stick to the thread, what are the effects, benefits and pitfalls of the Brexit vote, who is going to lead our country through it all, and who is the best candidate to do it, how is it going to affect us both as UK citizens and as drivers in the haulage industry.
So let’s just knock Hitler, Tito, and Kemmel [zb] Attaturk into touch for a while eh, and look forward.
If this is an unpopular opinion, and the rest of you are hanging on Carryfast’s every word while he holds council with us that are less well educated (yeh right ) I apologise to you all.
But somehow I doubt it.
So exactly what the zb are you trying to say.
I think the jist of it was “shut the ■■■■ up”
The-Snowman:
I got bored of his contradictions, hypocrisy and general knowitallitis about 15 pages ago. He back tracks and changes the subject when it starts to go against him and its getting tiresome now. You cant post anything on this thread without him sticking his oar in with a history lesson of what happened when, god knows how many years ago and then finishing with a rolling eyes emijon.
Exactly where did the ‘subject’ go against me.It’s not rocket science.In the case of the EU either you support democracy and the self determination of the Nation State or Socialist derived Federalism.You obviously seem to have issues with the idea of the former.Bearing in mind that ‘history’ only seemed to be a problem when it was used against the lie,that war in Europe,has supposedly historically been the result of Nationalism.But it seemed fine when Dolph and Loo were using ‘history’,in typically re written form,to propagate that typical Federalist lie.It’s obvious who the hypocrites are in that regard.
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
So exactly what the zb are you trying to say.
I think the jist of it was “shut the [zb] up”
Maybe you should take your own advice.Being that the only contribution which you seem capable of is having a go at me personally.
andy187:
Frogface resigns… but what was he upto??
Good question.But only one which Leave voters have the right to be asking.Not remainers.Probably from the time when he distanced UKIP from the FN and turned down Le Pen’s offer of co operation in favour of then predictably handing the initiative to Cameron and May.
Carryfast:
desypete:
can you picture the joy those people now feel as at last they have been heard it can not happen quick enough for many but they will wait as they have already waited for such a long time watching there area go down the pan
The fact is they’ll be waiting for ever if they really think that May is going to stop that.This problem is going on in many parts of Europe and it’ll take a Europe wide solution.EEA member state with May as PM is one of the worst possible outcomes in that regard.
On that note we should have been asking more questions regarding Farage’s agenda.In distancing himself from Le Pen and handing the initiative UKIP had in Europe over to zb Cameron and May at home instead. 
what makes you think they will be waiting forever ? just today on the local radio i heard an advert promoting the new aussie based points system and that employers will need a license to be able to employ foriegn workers and that the workers will have points added its going to start in august i think it said.
edit
i got this wrong its migrant workers from outside the eu that employers will need a license for
Evil8Beezle:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
And you wonder why some people think you’re a racist Pete!
Let’s just say that living in Southampton will obviously give you a different perspective on the issue to someone living in certain parts of London etc etc.Until the problem reaches there. Here’s a clue we’ve got loads of so called non racists in this part of the country falling over themselves to get their kids into mostly indigenous schools for just one example of Champagne Socialist hypocrites voting with their feet.
I lived in London for 18 months pal! 
It’s a craphole!
What I think Pete was not so delicately trying to say, was that the UK is losing it’s National identity and this is why a lot of people voted out. But is that why a lot of people voted out, or was it because of the lack of a real living wage due to an oversupply in labour? It’s fair to say that the majority of those that voted out are of lower income, and those that voted to stay are on a higher income. So does that mean that the better off that are not subject to issues regarding a real living wage, are not as nationalist? I doubt it…
its not as simple as the rich v the poor as there are plenty of poor areas around london that voted in very high numbers to remain but then that is because most of them are from eithnic backgrounds
the well off will live in nice housing estates where there world will not be touched by dozens of polish living next door and there work places will hardly have the numbers of migrants in them compared to factorys that are swarming with migrants from the eu, i mean you can hardly call a driver a rich or posh profession and its swarming with polish and many other nationals from the eu
so its clear those who are coming here in large numbers from the eu are not highly skilled, yet they can come here and earn a fortune from factory working, driving, you name it they can make a killing at it.
if we wanted free movement of people and all things being equal then they should all by paying the same wages across the eu that would solve the overflow problem we have, or if a person comes here from a low paying country then all they should be allowed to earn is the same amounts as they would get back home
remember the 80s and Auf Wiedersehen, Pet ? based on how British workers went overseas trying to make a few quid
it didn’t last long did it,before Germany and the like stopped it as there own workers were up in arms just like the brits are now the only difference is there governments took real action and it ended the gold rush for the brits and home they came back to work in there own back yard
so why is it ok for those country’s to have been able to stop the rising of british workers who went out there in the 80s ? were those country’s racist against us brits ? were the german workers who were up in arms racist for complaining about to many brits in there country undercutting them ? or is it ok for them but not for us to kick off ?
Looooo:
Carryfast:
Looooo:
Carryfast:
Which obviously includes immigration policy.Or what would have been the point of leaving.
Quite.
Immigration policy being “updated” - does not need 2 years. Leadsom is right to rule out any kind of “Bargaining chip” thing regarding those immigrants already here.
The argument should have separated out the workers from the no speke English, imposter benefit scroungers. NO side ever did this though, and the new “updated immigration policy” needs to be rigid on these “points” they speak of.
No job, No English, No Papers, and Refuses to become an apostate - should all get an instant deportation.
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
So exactly what the zb are you trying to say.
I think the jist of it was “shut the [zb] up”
Maybe you should take your own advice.Being that the only contribution which you seem capable of is having a go at me personally.
I did, 15 pages ago when I went round in circles trying to tell you that remainers are just as entitled to not want to accept the result as you would be and that everyone has opinions of in or out of the EU yet you kept rabbiting on about it being about killing a country or saving it and calling me a closet remainer. Its not “having a go at you personally”, its about me being fed up with you hijacking every single EU thread with your paranoid know everything bullishness where its your way of thinking or nothing. No one else is ever allowed an opinion which differs to yours or they get a load of insults, sarcasm and rolling eyes.
I tried to say to desypete weeks before the vote that you cant base your vote solely on immigration and before he even responded you had butted in with a load of sarcasm and your “feel free to explain” arrogance. I explained other things to think about and got sarcasm from you then you brought it up a fortnight later and had twisted it all to look like something else and then decided that having the nerve to suggest they be taken into consideration before casting a vote meant I was a remainer and therefor deserved your sarcasm.
Im sorry you think im having a go at you personally but if you wernt such a loudmouth bully boy, incapable of opening his mind to the fact that other people have different opinions and it doesnt make them wrong just because they think differently than you, then a proper debate could be had and all could be fine. Instead, you make it impossible by behaving like a pub loudmouth who never lets anyone else speak and thinks that talking the loudest is the best way to “win”.
What part of a long string of claptrap interspersed with five historic key words inserted in random orders don’t you understand? [emoji57]
Feel free to explain but I won’t be holding my breath. [emoji57]
