Who whipped up their populations by blaming an influx of outsiders for their economic problems.
And a call for a return to the nation’s glory days. Sound familiar?
OVLOV JAY:
Nationalism brought wars to Europe? Only because nations defended themselves from hostile invasions
Exactly hostile invasion by foreign Federal rule whether Napoleon’s Continental System,or Austro Hungarian Empire,or Stalin’s Soviet Union,or Hitler’s Third Reich,or Tito’s Yugoslavia.It’s always a sign of the Federalist zb’s that they’ll try to paint Federal aggressor,in the stamping out of the right to the self determination of the Nation State,as victim. 
Loo having fallen into a great trap in that regard by going with the Bulgarian view of at least two of those examples. 
Looooo:
And a call for a return to the nation’s glory days. Sound familiar?
No just a call to chuck out the malignant Socialist Federal dictatorial zb pile,in the form of Altiero Spenelli’s Communist Yugoslav type ideal,that’s taking over Europe.
Nobody (credible) is blaming the state of current affairs on eu financial tourists. The problems lie with the heads of the organisation, not the people operating under it. Immigration was not the driving factor for most level headed voters. Yes there needs to be control, an end to free movement, not a total end to immigration, and not just for us, for the whole of Europe. It was the right to make those decisions that got my vote, and to turn our back on a failing zone. Look what’s happened in the 10 days since the vote, Turkey raising its voice, and acceleration talks, and Italy about to go pop, with is no doubt having to hand out for their mismanagement. How many eurozone countries helped us exactly? Northern Rock, RBS etc, nobody anywhere to be seen, but we are expected to contribute to the eurozone again. It’s defunct, why can’t remainers see it for what it is?
Looooo:
Invasions driven by nationalistic fervour.
Exactly what ‘nationalistic fervour’ was it that ‘caused’ the Austro Hungarian Empire to take over Serbia or the Soviet Union to invade Poland or the JNA to try to stamp out Slovenian and Croatian secession.While which side are you on in regard to those examples.Neutral obviously isn’t going to cut it for the purposes of this discussion.
OVLOV JAY:
why can’t remainers see it for what it is?
Because most of them are the type of zb’s that are ideologically opposed to the idea of the Nation State. 
Looooo:
Who whipped up their populations by blaming an influx of outsiders for their economic problems.
Immigration worked well for Czechoslovakia in the Sudetenland with ethnic Germans going for self determination.
Or Islamic movement into Europe that took centuries of fighting to throw out.You don’t seem to know much about European history or more like don’t want to know.Then Dolph says he’s on your side while at the same time calling for stronger borders to keep the Turks etc out. You couldn’t make this zb up.
Looooo:
Carryfast:
That you’ve failed to see the contradiction,in your bs statement,that the leave vote supposedly got what it ‘wanted’,which it obviously hasn’t.It didn’t? I thought they wanted a Leave result. The result was Leave. Therefore it got what it wanted.
It depends what you really thought the leave campaign “wanted” though doesn’t it. I’m guessing from your statements that you were one of the many who thought the vote was about immigration. It wasn’t.
In order to get the result the Leave campaign heavily implied and made it generally known that this would lead to a reduction in immigration, that we’d “take back control”, but that was a lot of hot air to whip up the isolationists to come out and vote. Now they have the result we can all see the reality that the EU is not going to let us have the cream without contributing to the club, and free movement is a cornerstone of that club.
They were playing to the gallery. Riding the populist vote, and now it is exposed for the guff it was, you turn your focus on the people who are misguidedly trying to prevent this madness. Which I should stress, I do not support.
To hear everyone pre-vote, Britannia was to be ruling the high seas and re-opening links with our colonies by now. Setting up trade in sugar, spices and tea. Re-living the glory days when we errr… imposed rule on countries across the globe.
The world’s poor are ALWAYS going to be drawn to successful economies.
The time to worry is when immigrants no longer want to make it to the UK. Perhaps we are heading to that situation at the moment, so we can all be pleased foreigners stop wanting to come here.
The vote was purely about migrants as people are sick of watching the work places and towns changing to hear English being spoken in some workplaces is getting rare people worked it out for themselves if it not that bad for them yet then just leave the doors open for a few more years and it would be that bad for them so give it time and the doors will shut tightly and we can preserve what is left of us before we become the minority in our own country that is how so many people feel more so in those areas were they voted 80% leave you would see it as racist they would tell you there just sick of being left out or forgotten and like a dumping ground can you picture the joy those people now feel as at last they have been heard it can not happen quick enough for many but they will wait as they have already waited for such a long time watching there area go down the pan
And you wonder why some people think you’re a racist Pete!
desypete:
can you picture the joy those people now feel as at last they have been heard it can not happen quick enough for many but they will wait as they have already waited for such a long time watching there area go down the pan
The fact is they’ll be waiting for ever if they really think that May is going to stop that.This problem is going on in many parts of Europe and it’ll take a Europe wide solution.EEA member state with May as PM is one of the worst possible outcomes in that regard.
On that note we should have been asking more questions regarding Farage’s agenda.In distancing himself from Le Pen and handing the initiative UKIP had in Europe over to zb Cameron and May at home instead.
OVLOV JAY:
Nobody (credible) is blaming the state of current affairs on eu financial tourists. The problems lie with the heads of the organisation, not the people operating under it. Immigration was not the driving factor for most level headed voters. Yes there needs to be control, an end to free movement, not a total end to immigration, and not just for us, for the whole of Europe. It was the right to make those decisions that got my vote, and to turn our back on a failing zone. Look what’s happened in the 10 days since the vote, Turkey raising its voice, and acceleration talks, and Italy about to go pop, with is no doubt having to hand out for their mismanagement. How many eurozone countries helped us exactly? Northern Rock, RBS etc, nobody anywhere to be seen, but we are expected to contribute to the eurozone again. It’s defunct, why can’t remainers see it for what it is?
Because remainers are driven by hate of anything that is national there vote was just about trying to keep the doors open nothing else matters to them and there egg shaped world they think we can take in the world and his dog if nothing else happens in my life time I am just so glad people like that got a huge black eye and a broken nose all that is left is to deliver the knock out punch that is the day the door closes and finally an end to the political correct
Carryfast:
This problem is going on in many parts of Europe and it’ll take a Europe wide solution.
Yeah, imagine if Europe cooperated to face global challenges. 
I think a lot of what people blame EU for is actually the result of globalisation. The world is getting smaller and we are better equipped to face those challenges together, not apart. But that argument has already been lost here so I’ll pop back to the commune. 
Evil8Beezle:
And you wonder why some people think you’re a racist Pete!
Let’s just say that living in Southampton will obviously give you a different perspective on the issue to someone living in certain parts of London etc etc.Until the problem reaches there. Here’s a clue we’ve got loads of so called non racists in this part of the country falling over themselves to get their kids into mostly indigenous schools for just one example of Champagne Socialist hypocrites voting with their feet.
Looooo:
Carryfast:
This problem is going on in many parts of Europe and it’ll take a Europe wide solution.Yeah, imagine if Europe cooperated to face global challenges.
I think a lot of what people blame EU for is actually the result of globalisation. The world is getting smaller and we are better equipped to face those challenges together, not apart. But that argument has already been lost here so I’ll pop back to the commune.
Why does the definition of ‘together’ have to be a Federal Europe. As opposed to a Confederal one,based on the consent of the Nation State,in the form of National opt out,substitution and VETO and supremacy of the MEP’s over the commissioners.That idea obviously wouldn’t fit in with the bs anti nation state ideology of the Socialist zb wits and the elitist control freaks they support.
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
And you wonder why some people think you’re a racist Pete!Let’s just say that living in Southampton will obviously give you a different perspective on the issue to someone living in certain parts of London etc etc.Until the problem reaches there.
I lived in London for 18 months pal! It’s a craphole!
What I think Pete was not so delicately trying to say, was that the UK is losing it’s National identity and this is why a lot of people voted out. But is that why a lot of people voted out, or was it because of the lack of a real living wage due to an oversupply in labour? It’s fair to say that the majority of those that voted out are of lower income, and those that voted to stay are on a higher income. So does that mean that the better off that are not subject to issues regarding a real living wage, are not as nationalist? I doubt it…
Carryfast:
You don’t seem to know much about European history.
Well you know what Carryfast? I do, I took it to A level because I have a huge interest in it, but you are even boring the ■■■■ arse off someone like me.
We have had to endure 50 pages of your History based ego trip. We all get it mate, you are either good at history or good at googling, but nobody cares so ffs give it a rest.
Nobody cares about what went on with Napoleon, Mussolini, or the Nazis annexing the Sudetenland and all the rest of it, let’s just stick to the thread, what are the effects, benefits and pitfalls of the Brexit vote, who is going to lead our country through it all, and who is the best candidate to do it, how is it going to affect us both as UK citizens and as drivers in the haulage industry.
So let’s just knock Hitler, Tito, and Kemmel ■■■■ Attaturk into touch for a while eh, and look forward.
If this is an unpopular opinion, and the rest of you are hanging on Carryfast’s every word while he holds council with us that are less well educated (yeh right ) I apologise to you all.
But somehow I doubt it.
Ahh, and I was looking forward to the Spanish Armada module!
Evil8Beezle:
I lived in London for 18 months pal!
What I think Pete was not so delicately trying to say, was that the UK is losing it’s National identity and this is why a lot of people voted out. But is that why a lot of people voted out, or was it because of the lack of a real living wage due to an oversupply in labour? It’s fair to say that the majority of those that voted out are of lower income, and those that voted to stay are on a higher income. So does that mean that the better off that are not subject to issues regarding a real living wage, are not as nationalist? I doubt it…
It means both.Over supply of the labour market ‘and’ demographic change of previously majority indigenous areas.Partly accelerated by the understandable issue of indigenous flight.
The ‘better off’ aren’t subject to those issues so much because the immigrant communities generally go for the more ‘affordable’ housing cost areas.While in many cases they are ‘better off’ based on the proceeds of the cheap labour environment provided by a high immigration environment either directly or indirectly.IE we flood the working class areas with cheap labour so that we can afford to live in Cameron’s or Tharesa May’s constituency.
Then there’s the Champagne Socialist LibDem type zb wits who live in middle class areas.Calling for a pro immigration agenda and more housing for it and traveller’s rights etc etc.While at the same time wanting their kids to go to mostly all indigenous schools and a house surrounded by un spoilt green belt with objections to match if/when their own bs ideology comes back to bite them at any time.
Don’t ask me how I know about the latter situation.
My point was that Pete is 100% hung up on the Nationalist aspect…
And I’m well aware of the middle class lib dem types, as I haven’t always been a trucker! 
Yes we have plenty in this country that preach what is basically crap, as they don’t have to live in the crap of their ideas!