Immigration and emigration are completely different things and can’t be compared for propaganda purposes!
In order to emigrate you should have to have something to offer to the host, nothing wrong with that! 
Immigration on the other hand (as we have experienced) is currently not being governed by that…
Bugger I’m on CF’s side! 
Evil8Beezle:
Immigration and emigration are completely different things and can’t be compared for propaganda purposes!
In order to emigrate you should have to have something to offer to the host, nothing wrong with that!
Immigration on the other hand (as we have experienced) is currently not being governed by that…Bugger I’m on CF’s side!
The real question being how/why did we end up in the situation of it being seen as so important to create a situation of free movement of emigrants from Eastern Europe wanting to come here.But no free movement for emigrants from here wanting to go to Australia,Canada or New Zealand.So much for the prison analogy. 
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
Immigration and emigration are completely different things and can’t be compared for propaganda purposes!
In order to emigrate you should have to have something to offer to the host, nothing wrong with that!
Immigration on the other hand (as we have experienced) is currently not being governed by that…Bugger I’m on CF’s side!
The real question being how/why did we end up in the situation of it being seen as so important to create a situation of free movement of emigrants from Eastern Europe wanting to come here.But no free movement for emigrants from here wanting to go to Australia,Canada or New Zealand.So much for the prison analogy.
the point i want an answer to is why are those country’s ^^^ not branded as racist for there own closed doors policy’s ?
why only in this country is it such a crime to want to close the doors and have people come here who can benefit our way of life ?
it works ok for the other country’s but for us its just seen as being small minded little Englanders.
desypete:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
Immigration and emigration are completely different things and can’t be compared for propaganda purposes!
In order to emigrate you should have to have something to offer to the host, nothing wrong with that!
Immigration on the other hand (as we have experienced) is currently not being governed by that…Bugger I’m on CF’s side!
The real question being how/why did we end up in the situation of it being seen as so important to create a situation of free movement of emigrants from Eastern Europe wanting to come here.But no free movement for emigrants from here wanting to go to Australia,Canada or New Zealand.So much for the prison analogy.
the point i want an answer to is why are those country’s ^^^ not branded as racist for there own closed doors policy’s ?
why only in this country is it such a crime to want to close the doors and have people come here who can benefit our way of life ?
it works ok for the other country’s but for us its just seen as being small minded little Englanders.
Because their politicians didn’t sign up their countries into a union where one of the main principle is free movement of people.
You are branded racist because you are member of this club, want special treatment, your politicians were the main drive engine for accepting EE countries, your politicians new we were not ready, you all new after 7 years work restriction will go down, etc. etc. etc. All you do is complain, but kept voting the same bafoons last year back in office, the very same that said they want Turkey a member in EU, the way they said EE must be accepted. Well it was Labor back then, but they are all the same. Now you complain from immigration.
To sad BoJo is not running, you could have elected him if he was, he would have granted amnesty to illegals 
Dolph:
desypete:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
Immigration and emigration are completely different things and can’t be compared for propaganda purposes!
In order to emigrate you should have to have something to offer to the host, nothing wrong with that!
Immigration on the other hand (as we have experienced) is currently not being governed by that…Bugger I’m on CF’s side!
The real question being how/why did we end up in the situation of it being seen as so important to create a situation of free movement of emigrants from Eastern Europe wanting to come here.But no free movement for emigrants from here wanting to go to Australia,Canada or New Zealand.So much for the prison analogy.
the point i want an answer to is why are those country’s ^^^ not branded as racist for there own closed doors policy’s ?
why only in this country is it such a crime to want to close the doors and have people come here who can benefit our way of life ?
it works ok for the other country’s but for us its just seen as being small minded little Englanders.Because their politicians didn’t sign up their countries into a union where one of the main principle is free movement of people.
You are branded racist because you are member of this club, want special treatment, your politicians were the main drive engine for accepting EE countries, your politicians new we were not ready, you all new after 7 years work restriction will go down, etc. etc. etc. All you do is complain, but kept voting the same bafoons last year back in office, the very same that said they want Turkey a member in EU, the way they said EE must be accepted. Well it was Labor back then, but they are all the same. Now you complain from immigration.
To sad BoJo is not running, you could have elected him if he was, he would have granted amnesty to illegals
TBF the people didn’t actually go and vote these buffons back in office, they the majority didn’t vote , the bugfoons got in office due to the seats system they had safe seats, and no real viable opposition
Dolph:
desypete:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
Immigration and emigration are completely different things and can’t be compared for propaganda purposes!
In order to emigrate you should have to have something to offer to the host, nothing wrong with that!
Immigration on the other hand (as we have experienced) is currently not being governed by that…Bugger I’m on CF’s side!
The real question being how/why did we end up in the situation of it being seen as so important to create a situation of free movement of emigrants from Eastern Europe wanting to come here.But no free movement for emigrants from here wanting to go to Australia,Canada or New Zealand.So much for the prison analogy.
the point i want an answer to is why are those country’s ^^^ not branded as racist for there own closed doors policy’s ?
why only in this country is it such a crime to want to close the doors and have people come here who can benefit our way of life ?
it works ok for the other country’s but for us its just seen as being small minded little Englanders.Because their politicians didn’t sign up their countries into a union where one of the main principle is free movement of people.
You are branded racist because you are member of this club, want special treatment, your politicians were the main drive engine for accepting EE countries, your politicians new we were not ready, you all new after 7 years work restriction will go down, etc. etc. etc. All you do is complain, but kept voting the same bafoons last year back in office, the very same that said they want Turkey a member in EU, the way they said EE must be accepted. Well it was Labor back then, but they are all the same. Now you complain from immigration.
To sad BoJo is not running, you could have elected him if he was, he would have granted amnesty to illegals
As I’ve said I think you’re making a massive under estimation of the anti free movement agenda within Europe itself.To the point where I’ve just about abandoned the naive illogical idea of trying to give more powers to our own Federalist Socialist crippled National Parliament.When I’ve got much more in common with the FN and AfD over there.Also wondering how I could have ever thought that going for Brexit in the UK political pro immigration environment was a better idea than staying in Europe and trying to change it to a Confederal Constitution with a more Nationalist agenda from within.
IE why the zb would we want to take out UKIP by destroying it’s EU parliamentary prescence and hand more powers to our own bs Socialist/Federalist cheap labour dominated bunch of zb wits.When we’ve got UKIP and allies in the form of the AfD and FN to work with over there. 
tommy t:
Wiretwister:
I said that to stop immigration you have to stop emigration i.e. the long term/permanent leaving of the country in which you reside. That is an undisputed truth. It is not however remotely likely to happen because to deny the citizen the right of exit makes that country a “prison”. That is my opinion.Emigration is a different kettle of fish to immigration the brits emigrate , they take their personal wealth to that country with them , migrants come here cap in hand the two should not be confused with each other, or seen as similar, emigraters don’t also just turn up in a country with no idea where they are going to live, they typically will set up/take over businesses and be a positive addition to the local area, unlike the ee that turns up here, but i’m all for stopping all the f1 drivers and pro footballers avoiding taxes here and not helping our economy
Yeah right, like all the Brits around the world are wealthy and law abiding citizens, everyone else that comes to Britain is a crock 
I smell superiority complex of the fallen empire…or you think British pensioners are positive to a country society. British pensioners who put strain on healthcare system, on housing prices, never learn the language, never assimilate or get host country citizenship.
And all EE here work their ■■■■ off to put food on the table, pay their taxes and send their kids to school, also have a British passports after several years. I know of 6 EE families all over the country doing that.
I also had 3 British flatmates in their 30’s, unsocial, uneducated and getting drunk at noon or 16.00, complaining and being double faces schmucks… But hey I’ll not judge the country from 3 people, right.
How many Eastern Europeans do you really know up close?
tommy t:
TBF the people didn’t actually go and vote these buffons back in office, they the majority didn’t vote , the bugfoons got in office due to the seats system they had safe seats, and no real viable opposition
Blimey tommy did you actually see the sight in London recently and today regards Corbyn’s Socialist zb wit mob and today with the pro EU federalist nutters.When over there we’ve got the AfD and FN and Austrian Freedom Party etc to sort them out.
IE we’re barking up the wrong tree.Our friends are actually over there not at home.Just as ‘they’ think that ‘their’ allies are over there.We’re trying to limit a Europe wide Socialist/Federalist v Nationalist argument to within the UK and defeating our own cause in the process.
Dolph:
How many Eastern Europeans do you really know up close?
I’ve known plenty of them over the decades and like you I’ve found them to be contradictory and un reliable in their ideologies usually based on the best payers.IE Yugoslavia a more or less loyal Russian ally until the cheap oil dried up. Then went into a justified war of Nationalist secession against their own Socialist ideological Federalist zb pile.Then oh look they’re all suddenly good federalists again in the equally bad dictatorial EU zb pile because the pay off is right.
Dolph:
tommy t:
Wiretwister:
I said that to stop immigration you have to stop emigration i.e. the long term/permanent leaving of the country in which you reside. That is an undisputed truth. It is not however remotely likely to happen because to deny the citizen the right of exit makes that country a “prison”. That is my opinion.Emigration is a different kettle of fish to immigration the brits emigrate , they take their personal wealth to that country with them , migrants come here cap in hand the two should not be confused with each other, or seen as similar, emigraters don’t also just turn up in a country with no idea where they are going to live, they typically will set up/take over businesses and be a positive addition to the local area, unlike the ee that turns up here, but i’m all for stopping all the f1 drivers and pro footballers avoiding taxes here and not helping our economy
Yeah right, like all the Brits around the world are wealthy and law abiding citizens, everyone else that comes to Britain is a crock
I smell superiority complex of the fallen empire…or you think British pensioners are positive to a country society. British pensioners who put strain on healthcare system, on housing prices, never learn the language, never assimilate or get host country citizenship.
And all EE here work their ■■■■ off to put food on the table, pay their taxes and send their kids to school, also have a British passports after several years. I know of 6 EE families all over the country doing that.
I also had 3 British flatmates in their 30’s, unsocial, uneducated and getting drunk at noon or 16.00, complaining and being double faces schmucks… But hey I’ll not judge the country from 3 people, right.How many Eastern Europeans do you really know up close?
Ok and the EE don’t overcrowd houses some who go home after only 6 moths and get all they have paid in taxes refunded , like most who work here for crap wages get in work benefits (subsidised by the tax payer) So they are likely getting more from the state than they are paying into it
Also when did i imply or say that the EE were criminals? though there have been several ee criminal gangs operating in the uk , targeting cash points and stealing card details , there are also some who get caught shoplifting and are well known by store security , not all are honest and hard working as you would have us believe, they are facts
Also very few emigrate here , also jobs are being advertised on EE web sites that aren’t being advertised in the uk, so we are being discriminated against by the EE migrants that is a ■■■■ take, this is the result of uncontrolled migration and why it has to stop (be controlled) and hopefully will be or the people will kick off
Carryfast:
Dolph:
How many Eastern Europeans do you really know up close?I’ve known plenty of them over the decades and like you I’ve found them to be contradictory and un reliable in their ideologies usually based on the best payers.IE Yugoslavia a more or less loyal Russian ally until the cheap oil dried up.
You are way beyond obsession with Yugoslavia man
tommy t:
jobs are being advertised on EE web sites that aren’t being advertised in the uk, so we are being discriminated against by the EE migrants that is a ■■■■ take, this is the result of uncontrolled migration and why it has to stop (be controlled) and hopefully will be or the people will kick off
It really shouldn’t be too much to ask that Brit jobs go to Brit workers.Nor should we expect the labour market to be deliberately over supplied with immigrant labour whether from East Euro or anywhere else.Nor should we be threatened with trade sanctions for the crime of wanting sovereignty over our own immigration policy.All of which as it stands having more chance of being sorted out from within Europe.Than the counter productive idea of thinking that we’d change anything by removing the relatively more powers and networking available to UKIP over there in the form of alliances with proper Nationalist Parties in Europe,and then giving them to the tossers like Gove and May in the UK parliament instead. 
Scary but true to think that we’ve been lulled into the idea of fighting the wrong battle in the wrong place for the right reason. 
Dolph:
Carryfast:
Dolph:
How many Eastern Europeans do you really know up close?I’ve known plenty of them over the decades and like you I’ve found them to be contradictory and un reliable in their ideologies usually based on the best payers.IE Yugoslavia a more or less loyal Russian ally until the cheap oil dried up.
You are way beyond obsession with Yugoslavia man
Not obsession.More like familiarity that helps me to sort out the bs that you keep on putting on here.Like Balkan Federalism or Nationalism or sometimes even both at the same time when it suits it. Like your calls for better border controls and defence against your future EU partner Turkey who you seemed happy enough to go with in 1914. 
Dolph:
desypete:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
Immigration and emigration are completely different things and can’t be compared for propaganda purposes!
In order to emigrate you should have to have something to offer to the host, nothing wrong with that!
Immigration on the other hand (as we have experienced) is currently not being governed by that…Bugger I’m on CF’s side!
The real question being how/why did we end up in the situation of it being seen as so important to create a situation of free movement of emigrants from Eastern Europe wanting to come here.But no free movement for emigrants from here wanting to go to Australia,Canada or New Zealand.So much for the prison analogy.
the point i want an answer to is why are those country’s ^^^ not branded as racist for there own closed doors policy’s ?
why only in this country is it such a crime to want to close the doors and have people come here who can benefit our way of life ?
it works ok for the other country’s but for us its just seen as being small minded little Englanders.Because their politicians didn’t sign up their countries into a union where one of the main principle is free movement of people.
You are branded racist because you are member of this club, want special treatment, your politicians were the main drive engine for accepting EE countries, your politicians new we were not ready, you all new after 7 years work restriction will go down, etc. etc. etc. All you do is complain, but kept voting the same bafoons last year back in office, the very same that said they want Turkey a member in EU, the way they said EE must be accepted. Well it was Labor back then, but they are all the same. Now you complain from immigration.
To sad BoJo is not running, you could have elected him if he was, he would have granted amnesty to illegals
its not all i do is complain i actually take some action
1 i vote for ukip and have done for a long time now, which clearly is not the run of the mill rubbish that the others have to offer, and its the party that brought about a chance to end the madness and get the hell out of the eu
2 when the cpc card was forced up me i gave up with driving rather than have to get that silly card in the hope that all the other drivers would of done the same but of course drivers being drivers they talk large but do very little when it comes to standing up for themselves
3 we are now out of the eu thanks to others now who have finally started to wake up to what is going on around them
so the actions have paid off
so dont tar me like the others who moan and do bugger all
Yeh, standing up to the dcpc really showed em Pete eh?
Btw are you still unemployed?
Deeireland:
Anybody shorting the Euro next week?
German banks,and Santander?
I got killed shorting the euro @ 1.30 in 2011 (went to nearly $1.50 instead) - I’m in no hurry to short a market being upheld by the Chinese again thanks. I made the mistake of thinking it was “Only being upheld by other nations in the EU, in particular Britain”.
I AM wondering when Carney is going to unwind the huge position the BoE has built up in Euros since the Credit Crunch though. The bubble has got to burst sometime - but I am led to believe now that it’ll be when China loses confidence in the EU rather than anyone else.
You might want to consider getting short the DAX instead for now then…
Dolph:
desypete:
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
Immigration and emigration are completely different things and can’t be compared for propaganda purposes!
In order to emigrate you should have to have something to offer to the host, nothing wrong with that!
Immigration on the other hand (as we have experienced) is currently not being governed by that…Bugger I’m on CF’s side!
The real question being how/why did we end up in the situation of it being seen as so important to create a situation of free movement of emigrants from Eastern Europe wanting to come here.But no free movement for emigrants from here wanting to go to Australia,Canada or New Zealand.So much for the prison analogy.
the point i want an answer to is why are those country’s ^^^ not branded as racist for there own closed doors policy’s ?
why only in this country is it such a crime to want to close the doors and have people come here who can benefit our way of life ?
it works ok for the other country’s but for us its just seen as being small minded little Englanders.Because their politicians didn’t sign up their countries into a union where one of the main principle is free movement of people.
You are branded racist because you are member of this club, want special treatment, your politicians were the main drive engine for accepting EE countries, your politicians new we were not ready, you all new after 7 years work restriction will go down, etc. etc. etc. All you do is complain, but kept voting the same bafoons last year back in office, the very same that said they want Turkey a member in EU, the way they said EE must be accepted. Well it was Labor back then, but they are all the same. Now you complain from immigration.
To sad BoJo is not running, you could have elected him if he was, he would have granted amnesty to illegals
So why are we racist because we don’t agree with our politicians, and have never had a choice about being in the club? Nobody under 59 has ever had a choice, and those over 59 had a vote on a trading block, not a political union, although Peter Shore warned everyone what it would be. John Major took us into this crap, and Tony Blair devolved the majority of power. I’ve only ever been asked once, and I said out, so tell me Dolph, why am I a racist?
Carryfast:
Like your calls for better border controls and defence against your future EU partner Turkey who you seemed happy enough to go with in 1914.
I dont think Dolph had much of a say in what happened back in 1914 to be fair.
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
Like your calls for better border controls and defence against your future EU partner Turkey who you seemed happy enough to go with in 1914.I dont think Dolph had much of a say in what happened back in 1914 to be fair.
My point was some things never change.Balkan politics being one of them.
In this case the idea of Dolph shouting about maintaining the border with Turkey and fighting tooth and nail to keep Islam out of Europe using the National VETO on the one hand.While at the same time supporting the aims of Cameron and Juncker etc in using presidential type powers to over rule his National sovereignty on the basis of European Federalism.
As I said what can you expect from a country that preached Slavic nationalism against Islamic Turkish rule while at the same time joining the central powers alliance,including Turkey,against Serbia. Or Serbia having kicked off a world war over its justified wish of self determination against the Austro Hungarian federation.While then doing exactly the opposite in the case of trying to use Federal dictatorial force against Slovenian and Croatian secession from the Yugoslav federation.Or Slovenia and Croatia then being happy enough to join another similar federation founded on very similar aims and intent as the one it had fought against to leave.Absolute total zb wits all of em.
OVLOV JAY:
So why are we racist because we don’t agree with our politicians, and have never had a choice about being in the club? Nobody under 59 has ever had a choice, and those over 59 had a vote on a trading block, not a political union, although Peter Shore warned everyone what it would be. John Major took us into this crap, and Tony Blair devolved the majority of power. I’ve only ever been asked once, and I said out, so tell me Dolph, why am I a racist?
To be fair there were plenty of others in addition to Shore who understood the meaning of the treaty of Rome.Including 16 year olds too young to vote like me in the day.
As for voting out why bother.When the reality of that is just wiping out what prescence and power UKIP has in the European parliament and handing the initiative to people like Corbyn,Farron,Sturgeon and Cameron/May and their undemocratic Bolshevik/Federalist mob followers at home.
When the better tactic would be to stay in and join with European Nationalists like the AfD and FN and Austrian Freedom Party etc and go for a Confederal Europe.Which then gives people like Farage the power to not only over rule zb’s at home like the above shower but also the European commissioners on a National opt out,substitution and VETO basis.While the federalist control freaks would obviously find that a much more terrifying prospect.
