The-Snowman:
Saying they will put an end to free movement does not equate to we will not make any deals.
Except in your head maybe
If the manifesto said an end to ‘free movement’ why would there be any ‘deal’ which allows ‘free movement’ on the table. 
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
Saying they will put an end to free movement does not equate to we will not make any deals.
Except in your head maybeIf the manifesto said an end to ‘free movement’ why would there be any ‘deal’ which allows ‘free movement’ on the table.
Did it say they wouldnt make a deal though? Did it say SPECIFICALLY “we will not make any deals with the EU with regards to this”?
They may say “we will get rid of free movement” but they didnt say “we will get rid of free movement and this is non negotiable”
Whos to say they wont come back with “Well listen, its like this, turns out we overshot the runway with our no free movement pledge so we had to make a deal with them that still allows it”
I think we should have world war 3 ,to sort the ■■■■■■■ thing out once and for all!ffs
The-Snowman:
They may say “we will get rid of free movement” but they didnt say “we will get rid of free movement and this is non negotiable”
Whos to say they wont come back with “Well listen, its like this, turns out we overshot the runway with our no free movement pledge so we had to make a deal with them that still allows it”
You really are avin a larf.
The manifesto said an end to free movement and an end to free movement is what needs to be delivered.It also said a return of powers and sovereignty which again can’t be met under the terms of EEA membership.I’d guess in this case that could also include the issue of the lifting of cabotage restrictions to meet the terms of the single market.
The issue is yes they will obviously have to come back and say we lied which is why we’ve got a remain MP as PM imposing a remain agenda.
Ironically it’s even possible to foresee a situation in which we have an anti immigration and protectionist agenda which takes over in Europe.Which could then be enforced by EU regulation in which leavers could turn re joiners and remainers then turn leavers. 
Deeireland:
I think we should have world war 3 ,to sort the [zb] thing out once and for all!ffs
Maybe a bit drastic.
But all the ingredients are in place for a cluster zb of epic proportions right across western Europe if these idealistic socialist and cheap labour muppets don’t back down.
Yes!
But !hope not!
Would not want my scania getting blown to pieces,i love that lorry
At the weekends I ■■■■■■■ hate it .
Oh dead CF, it appears you’re trying to wriggle out of it and failing miserably…
Do you wonder why you get such a hard time on this forum? You love to tell everyone the world according to CF, but are unwilling to listen, accept another’s viewpoint or discuss anything unless they unequivocally agree with you. Believe me mate, the diplomatic core won’t giving you a ring!
You might be a smart bloke who has plenty of knowledge, but you have no grasp of how to influence people, or win friends. Maybe you should read a book on it! 
So the leave voters were sold a lie were they? Funny how you seem to be in the minority on that and there are plenty on here that are leave voters, but can grasp that winning the leave vote doesn’t mean that we will leave the EU, brick up the channel tunnel and never speak or deal with the EU ever again. The majority of us can see that this would be ludicrous and was never going to happen. We all understood that by voting out, we were voting out of the binding agreement of the 4 freedoms. What that will mean for sure none of us will know, as unlike yourself we don’t have your superior intellect and have a bit of humility about us. We are not arrogant enough to think that with a single vote what the deal/arrangement with the EU is over, things don’t work like that. Do you not know how business, politics and commerce works? You don’t have a meeting one day and the trucks/goods start or stop rolling the next, as that would be just naive…
Then there is the other question you have failed to answer or rather chosen to avoid that both Snowy and I simultaneously. You expect all the remain voters now to become mute and are no longer entitled to a voice, how is that democracy? OK they lost, and they are probably not happy about it, but if the shoe was on the other foot pal, would you accept the decision of the majority and never utter a word about it or try to influence the situation back to your way of thinking? No of course you wouldn’t, but you seem to expect them to…
Sorry CF but you are a complete hypocrite and an irrational person who attempts to ram his ideology down the throats of others. But what is amusing is that your intellect is blind to the flaw of your argument/position that it clear to others, which is that the only structure you are actually interested in is a democracy void dictatorship based on your opinion! (As according to you, there is no other worth hearing…)
So please do the rest of us a favour and stop (as Robroy said 
) hijacking every thread/discussion and turning it into your own version of War & Peace according to Carryfast!
Rant over! 
Found the plan to leave the EU
was leaked on line
Evil8Beezle:
Oh dead CF, it appears you’re trying to wriggle out of it and failing miserably…
Do you wonder why you get such a hard time on this forum? You love to tell everyone the world according to CF, but are unwilling to listen, accept another’s viewpoint or discuss anything unless they unequivocally agree with you. Believe me mate, the diplomatic core won’t giving you a ring!
You might be a smart bloke who has plenty of knowledge, but you have no grasp of how to influence people, or win friends. Maybe you should read a book on it!
So the leave voters were sold a lie were they? Funny how you seem to be in the minority on that and there are plenty on here that are leave voters, but can grasp that winning the leave vote doesn’t mean that we will leave the EU, brick up the channel tunnel and never speak or deal with the EU ever again. The majority of us can see that this would be ludicrous and was never going to happen. We all understood that by voting out, we were voting out of the binding agreement of the 4 freedoms. What that will mean for sure none of us will know, as unlike yourself we don’t have your superior intellect and have a bit of humility about us. We are not arrogant enough to think that with a single vote what the deal/arrangement with the EU is over, things don’t work like that. Do you not know how business, politics and commerce works? You don’t have a meeting one day and the trucks/goods start or stop rolling the next, as that would be just naive…
Then there is the other question you have failed to answer or rather chosen to avoid that both Snowy and I simultaneously. You expect all the remain voters now to become mute and are no longer entitled to a voice, how is that democracy? OK they lost, and they are probably not happy about it, but if the shoe was on the other foot pal, would you accept the decision of the majority and never utter a word about it or try to influence the situation back to your way of thinking? No of course you wouldn’t, but you seem to expect them to…
Sorry CF but you are a complete hypocrite and an irrational person who attempts to ram his ideology down the throats of others. But what is amusing is that your intellect is blind to the flaw of your argument/position that it clear to others, which is that the only structure you are actually interested in is a democracy void dictatorship based on your opinion!So please do the rest of us a favour and stop (as Robroy said
Rant over!
I’m standing for a seperate nation states or at most Confederal Europe based on the Fordist Capitalist system.As opposed to a Federal centralised system based on the rantings of a confirmed Communist.
And you’ve got the nerve to call me a dictator. 
As for an end to free movement you know as well as I do that means just the right of work and residency.Just as applied by other civilised democracies around the world such as Canada and Australia and NZ.
You really need to take your distorted Socialist bs and shove it.
andy187:
Found the plan to leave the EUwas leaked on line
More remain bs.
Carryfast:
andy187:
Found the plan to leave the EUwas leaked on line
More remain bs.
FFS satire!!!
Carryfast:
I’m standing for a seperate nation states or at most Confederal Europe based on the Fordist Capitalist system.As opposed to a Federal centralised system based on the rantings of a confirmed Communist.And you’ve got the nerve to call me a dictator.
As for an end to free movement you know as well as I do that means just the right of work and residency.Just as applied by other civilised democracies around the world such as Canada and Australia and NZ.
You really need to take your distorted Socialist bs and shove it.
While I think I’d rather put my nuts in the toaster, I have to know why what I’ve said makes me a communist? 
Evil8Beezle:
Carryfast:
I’m standing for a seperate nation states or at most Confederal Europe based on the Fordist Capitalist system.As opposed to a Federal centralised system based on the rantings of a confirmed Communist.And you’ve got the nerve to call me a dictator.
As for an end to free movement you know as well as I do that means just the right of work and residency.Just as applied by other civilised democracies around the world such as Canada and Australia and NZ.
You really need to take your distorted Socialist bs and shove it.
While I think I’d rather put my nuts in the toaster, I have to know why what I’ve said makes me a communist?
I didn’t say you were a Communist.I ‘said’ I’m standing for the sovereignty of the Nation State against a centralised government Federalist project founded by an Italian Communist.Then ‘you’ said that makes ‘me’ a dictator.Seemingly based on the 2 + 2 = 5 distortion that calling for an end to free movement,just like Australia or Canada applies, = dictatorship and bricking up the Channel Tunnel.On that note it’s anyone’s guess how you reach that distorted conclusion but socialist zb wit would explain it.So if the cap fits wear it.
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
They may say “we will get rid of free movement” but they didnt say “we will get rid of free movement and this is non negotiable”
Whos to say they wont come back with “Well listen, its like this, turns out we overshot the runway with our no free movement pledge so we had to make a deal with them that still allows it”You really are avin a larf.
The manifesto said an end to free movement and an end to free movement is what needs to be delivered.It also said a return of powers and sovereignty which again can’t be met under the terms of EEA membership.I’d guess in this case that could also include the issue of the lifting of cabotage restrictions to meet the terms of the single market.
The issue is yes they will obviously have to come back and say we lied which is why we’ve got a remain MP as PM imposing a remain agenda.
Ironically it’s even possible to foresee a situation in which we have an anti immigration and protectionist agenda which takes over in Europe.Which could then be enforced by EU regulation in which leavers could turn re joiners and remainers then turn leavers.
So it DOESNT actually say “we will not make any deals” then?
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
They may say “we will get rid of free movement” but they didnt say “we will get rid of free movement and this is non negotiable”
Whos to say they wont come back with “Well listen, its like this, turns out we overshot the runway with our no free movement pledge so we had to make a deal with them that still allows it”You really are avin a larf.
The manifesto said an end to free movement and an end to free movement is what needs to be delivered.It also said a return of powers and sovereignty which again can’t be met under the terms of EEA membership.I’d guess in this case that could also include the issue of the lifting of cabotage restrictions to meet the terms of the single market.
The issue is yes they will obviously have to come back and say we lied which is why we’ve got a remain MP as PM imposing a remain agenda.
Ironically it’s even possible to foresee a situation in which we have an anti immigration and protectionist agenda which takes over in Europe.Which could then be enforced by EU regulation in which leavers could turn re joiners and remainers then turn leavers.
So it DOESNT actually say “we will not make any deals” then?
It ‘does actually’ obviously infer that we will ‘not’ make any ‘deals’ which leave the issue of free movement in place.While from the industry’s point of view anything which leaves the issue of cabotage in place is another nail in the EEA option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_6sU7O43w Tells it how it is with the idiot remainers
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
So it DOESNT actually say “we will not make any deals” then?It ‘does actually’ obviously infer that we will ‘not’ make any ‘deals’ which leave the issue of free movement in place.While from the industry’s point of view anything which leaves the issue of cabotage in place is another nail in the EEA option.
So it doesnt ACTUALLY say it then?
When I was trying to charm the underwear off a girl once I “inferred” that I would still be there in the morning. I snuck out at 3am. I WAS there in the morning, I was just different than what she thought it meant*. Can you spot the difference between inferring and reality?
inferring something gave them an out to get the sheep onboard who couldnt see further than the immigration issue and you bought it hook, line and sinker. They said one thing that looked good but now they have to put it into action they can make deals and say “well, we never ACTUALLY said it was non negotiable did we?”. So dont go getting out of your pram about it now they are maybe going to make a deal. Anyone who thought that on the 24th of June there would be an immediate plan put into place to brick up the tunnel and turn people away who wanted to come and work here needs a reality check. Reading your head in the clouds rantings this last 44 pages makes me think you are either deluded or bat ■■■■ crazy. Or both. Probably both
N.B *Before everyone thinks im some sort of ■■■■■■■■, this story isnt actually true. Im just making a point.
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
So it DOESNT actually say “we will not make any deals” then?It ‘does actually’ obviously infer that we will ‘not’ make any ‘deals’ which leave the issue of free movement in place.While from the industry’s point of view anything which leaves the issue of cabotage in place is another nail in the EEA option.
So it doesnt ACTUALLY say it then?
When I was trying to charm the underwear off a girl once I “inferred” that I would still be there in the morning. I snuck out at 3am. I WAS there in the morning, I was just different than what she thought it meant*. Can you spot the difference between inferring and reality?inferring something gave them an out to get the sheep onboard who couldnt see further than the immigration issue and you bought it hook, line and sinker. They said one thing that looked good but now they have to put it into action they can make deals and say “well, we never ACTUALLY said it was non negotiable did we?”. So dont go getting out of your pram about it now they are maybe going to make a deal. Anyone who thought that on the 24th of June there would be an immediate plan put into place to brick up the tunnel and turn people away who wanted to come and work here needs a reality check. Reading your head in the clouds rantings this last 44 pages makes me think you are either deluded or bat [zb] crazy. Or both.
You should take up work as an insurance salesman.You can’t really negotiate something as clear as stopping or not stopping free movement.It’s a binary choice it’s either stopped or it isn’t stopped.In the case of EEA membership it wouldn’t be stopped.While people have actually been driven into bankruptcy having lost court cases on the basis of the inferred content of a contract.Such as the answer to the question of are there any nuisance neighbours regarding a potential house sale.It’s no good trying to get out of a dishonest answer in the negative by saying the question didn’t actually specify just one.
On that note we ain’t talking about bricking up the channel tunnel.We’re talking about the Australian or Canadian type immigration policy we were sold and we ain’t going to get that as an EEA member state.
As for your bs analogy you’ve got the nerve to say that I’m deluded bat zb crazy.
Wiretwister:
Dolph:
And what is your proof that EU lead to war? This is the longest time in Europe with peace, I wish my kids enjoy it as well. Every time when we have nationalistic or imperialistic government takes control of European country [zb] happens, over and over again. Look at the last 4-5 centuries - The British, The French, The Spanish, The Italians, The Dutch, The Russian/Soviet etc.
Brexiters glorify the Empire days, some are calling for kicking out people, hate crime is on a rise, the economic uncertainty is rising as we speak. Just watched the news - 73% of British farming is exported to EU countries, 75% of UK car manufacturing is exported to EU countries, do you think outside of EU you will have the very same rights/privileges, I doubt that. People are genuinely worried. The moment article 50 is activated the British economy will go down, that’s my personal opinion. There will be no trade agreement, British business will bankrupt, if a major bank goes busted or mortgage bubble burst that will be the beginning of huge recession.The EU expansion east has been a scource of tension with Russia. In the recent past the EUs overtures to Ukraine has resulted in the annexation of Crimea, civil war within Ukrainian borders, civil airlines shot down and can you really think that Putin was sorry to see the hundreds of thousands refugees from Syria following his intervention in an area of traditional Russian influence? Hasn’t the sight of refugees risking everything to flee that danger not been part of the catalyst to the referendum result?
There might not have been a hot war within the EU boundaries but there have been, it seeems to me, plenty of proxy conflicts with the near neighbours.
it occurred to me after watching some of the news about the battle of the somme 100 years ago and how brave those brits were when they went over the top to meet certain death that those people did so in the belief they were protecting us our mums and dads and they gave there life for our country
do you think in this day and age that people who live here now and having to suffer they way they do in such poverty with low wages and the general feeling that its never going to change and worse they see people coming here from all over the eu not to escape a war but purely out of greed to better themselves as they can earn 4 times there yearly income over here so there laughing all the way to the bank and its at the natives who live and work here expense as wages are low over here if you live here but high if you come from the eu and the wages are going to stay low the more and more people come here
but anyway the point is do you think in this day and age those who voted to remain would be the type of people who would of done what those guys did 100 years ago and gone over the top to certain death to protect this country ?
why should they as they have no real pride anymore or some even say there ashamed to be a brit after the result
it shows how times have changed but if we were to be going into a war those namby pamby people or the toffs would expect every scum of the north to give up his or her life so they can carry on down south with there lifestyles
i take my hat off to all those people who died it was a hell of a price to pay but they did so for our freedom
funny how we take our freedom with a pinch of salt these days. there should be national pride being taught in our schools let the kids of the future grow up to be firstly proud of there nation
they dont even let the kids compete in sports any more as it might upset or offend and we wonder why our over paid football superstars just dont have it in them
look at wales, look a set of players that have that pride and belief it really can move mountains and the welsh are showing it in spades
but in this country its a dirty word to the polictical correct loonys who have had there day and its produced a nation of shirt lifters