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The-Snowman:

Carryfast:

The-Snowman:

Carryfast:
Oh right so another closet remainer desperately trying to hold onto EU membership at all costs who’s playing the age card. :unamused:

You need help

Yeah right we can add you to the list too. :unamused:

Why?
Because I believe in respecting other peoples opinions?
Because I believe in a persons right to not accept the verdict just because it went my way?
Because I believe in a persons right not to like the verdict if it didnt go their way?
Because I agree with DD that there is no need to rush into things?

Please explain your logic as to why anyone who doesnt agree with you is a closet remainer. There is a world of difference from not agreeing with you to wanting to remain in the EU but you’re blind anything that doesnt fit your way
We are the first nation in history to take this step of leaving the EU. There is no precident for it. If article 50 is invoked now, the two year clock starts ticking, of which we would waste about 3 of them getting someone in place to negotiate. You think of it any way you want but I live in the real world and if you think we hold all the power when the ticking clock countdown is weighted in favour of the EU then you are deluded. I dont know what happens if it runs down before everythnig is signed and sealed but I can hazard a guess it wont work to our advantage and will put us at a MASSIVE disadvantage. Only a fool would invoke article 50 THEN decide to get things in place. Better to get all your ducks in a row first, at your leisure, and then hit the start button on the two year clock.
What I think is that your fear of the vote getting overturned or a new referendum is making you desperate and you are panicing therefor not thinking it through properly. You want it invoked so there is no going back and it is clouding your judgement to just how dangerous that could be. You think anyone who wants to wait is automatically hoping to overturn the decision of the vote. You need ot open your mind a bit more. You’re NOT the only one with the answers

Negotiate what that’s going to take more than 2 years.Just to say that we are no longer an EU member state and access to the UK market depends on equal access to the EU market.Nothing else changes.

Yes closet remainers.So what are you referring to regards so called ‘dangerous’ to invoke it.Let me guess the Socialist bolshevik zb’s will then kick off. :unamused:

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Dipper_Dave:
I’m quite interested in who the minister for Brexit will be. If Theresa wins will she turn to Gove, Boris or pull an unknown out the hat.

Suppose a lot depends on how Gove conducts himself during hustings, probably poorly if his recent trackrecord is anything to go by.

I reckon she’s already offered it to Chris Grayling, seeing as he’s the most prominent leaver who’s backed her. I reckon he’s a shoe in for her old job in the long run

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Dipper_Dave:
This article 50 hang up is a bit weird now, surely you have experience in negotiations of some form.

The EU saying negotiations won’t take place till its triggered is rubbish. The triggering of article 50 if at all will be nothing more than a box ticking exercise.

As far as the younger generation, they where taught the importance of a vote, expect a lot larger turnout at the next general election when this is sorted.

You know as well as everyone else that article 50 is anything but a box ticking exercise.It’s the key to us leaving and it’s a statement that means we’re going not staying.

You do know that in the case of the argument between Federation v Nation history shows that it very rarely gets settled democratically. :frowning: Feel free to over turn the miracle of the vote we’ve got now to settle this peacefully. :unamused:

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Meanwhile though not strictly on topic but connected in a way UK in breach of international human rights

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Evil8Beezle:

tommy t:
The people voted to leave the EU and that is what should happen ,without excuses

Yes, we will be leaving the EU from the position of being a fully paid up member who agrees to the 4 rules, that’s hopefully what we will get! But where did it say anything about us never ever dealing or trading with the EU again?

Do you really think that the definition of ‘leave’ means ‘remaining’ a ‘fully paid up member’ subject to any bs EU Federal ‘rules’.If the EU wants a trade war over imposing its rules on a non EU member state then bring it on.

Leave means leave get used to it.

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Carryfast:

The-Snowman:

Carryfast:

The-Snowman:
You need help

Yeah right we can add you to the list too. :unamused:

Why?
Because I believe in respecting other peoples opinions?
Because I believe in a persons right to not accept the verdict just because it went my way?
Because I believe in a persons right not to like the verdict if it didnt go their way?
Because I agree with DD that there is no need to rush into things?

Please explain your logic as to why anyone who doesnt agree with you is a closet remainer. There is a world of difference from not agreeing with you to wanting to remain in the EU but you’re blind anything that doesnt fit your way
We are the first nation in history to take this step of leaving the EU. There is no precident for it. If article 50 is invoked now, the two year clock starts ticking, of which we would waste about 3 of them getting someone in place to negotiate. You think of it any way you want but I live in the real world and if you think we hold all the power when the ticking clock countdown is weighted in favour of the EU then you are deluded. I dont know what happens if it runs down before everythnig is signed and sealed but I can hazard a guess it wont work to our advantage and will put us at a MASSIVE disadvantage. Only a fool would invoke article 50 THEN decide to get things in place. Better to get all your ducks in a row first, at your leisure, and then hit the start button on the two year clock.
What I think is that your fear of the vote getting overturned or a new referendum is making you desperate and you are panicing therefor not thinking it through properly. You want it invoked so there is no going back and it is clouding your judgement to just how dangerous that could be. You think anyone who wants to wait is automatically hoping to overturn the decision of the vote. You need ot open your mind a bit more. You’re NOT the only one with the answers

Negotiate what that’s going to take more than 2 years.Just to say that we are no longer an EU member state and access to the UK market depends on equal access to the EU market.Nothing else changes.

Yes closet remainers.So what are you referring to regards so called ‘dangerous’ to invoke it.Let me guess the Socialist bolshevik zb’s will then kick off. :unamused:

See. You can’t help yourself. Even when people point it out to, you still repeat the same unintelligible string of big words. Your comprehension of the situation stops at “we’re out out out”. You don’t seem to understand that you don’t dictate to others. You want to trade with the EU? You negotiate with them. Not German car manufacturers. You do not understand the gravity of the situation to the EU… if the EU give even the smallest concessions, other EU members will kick off. And that has nothing to do with political -isms.

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Carryfast:
So what are you referring to regards so called ‘dangerous’ to invoke it.Let me guess the Socialist bolshevik zb’s will then kick off. :unamused:

I dont live in your cotton candy world where everything will be smelling of roses and all will automatically be peachy. That they will not resort to underhand tricks and offer sweetners to other countries to screw us over. That they will let a silly thing like the rule book stop them if they want to ■■■■ with us. I live in the real world. As soon as the clock starts ticking, the EU know we only have two years. You dont think they will stall to run out the clock? Knowing we have nothing to fall back on or force their hand with? You dont think it is better to have other deals in place to give us bargaining power? Like I said, I dont know what happens if the clock runs out and things are not signed but im confident it will not be pretty for us.
Only a fool goes into a negotiation with no leverage. Which would explain why you seem so keen on it

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But is the eu a federation or a confederation or something totally different, maybe a con fed hybrid.

As far as history goes we are in unchartered waters, some comparisons can be made to historical separations but we must ride this wave of change with a stiff rudder and steady anchor.

For this we need a focused captain or more likely a captainess.

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the nodding donkey:
See. You can’t help yourself. Even when people point it out to, you still repeat the same unintelligible string of big words. Your comprehension of the situation stops at “we’re out out out”. You don’t seem to understand that you don’t dictate to others. You want to trade with the EU? You negotiate with them. Not German car manufacturers. You do not understand the gravity of the situation to the EU… if the EU give even the smallest concessions, other EU members will kick off. And that has nothing to do with political -isms.

Oh look a federalist scared of freedom and secession.Yes if we can smash the EU’s blackmail of trade in exchange for sovereignty across Europe that will be a bonus.Having said that if we don’t do it this way maybe we’ll do it the other by staying and smashing the thing from within.On that note it doesn’t look like you’ll have the help of vote rigging in Austria this time to maintain your bs dictatorial cause.

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The-Snowman:

Carryfast:
So what are you referring to regards so called ‘dangerous’ to invoke it.Let me guess the Socialist bolshevik zb’s will then kick off. :unamused:

I dont live in your cotton candy world where everything will be smelling of roses and all will automatically be peachy. That they will not resort to underhand tricks and offer sweetners to other countries to screw us over. That they will let a silly thing like the rule book stop them if they want to [zb] with us. I live in the real world. As soon as the clock starts ticking, the EU know we only have two years. You dont think they will stall to run out the clock? Knowing we have nothing to fall back on or force their hand with? You dont think it is better to have other deals in place to give us bargaining power? Like I said, I dont know what happens if the clock runs out and things are not signed but im confident it will not be pretty for us.
Only a fool goes into a negotiation with no leverage. Which would explain why you seem so keen on it

We’ve already got all the bargaining power we need.In the form of the fact that we can’t possibly be worse off economically than we are in paying the EU a fortune in net contributions for the privilege of being a net importer of their products. :unamused:

While keeping ourselves in the scam isn’t going to change anything regarding anything else they supposedly intend to do.Which is just more remain scare tactics bs anyway.

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Carryfast:

the nodding donkey:
See. You can’t help yourself. Even when people point it out to, you still repeat the same unintelligible string of big words. Your comprehension of the situation stops at “we’re out out out”. You don’t seem to understand that you don’t dictate to others. You want to trade with the EU? You negotiate with them. Not German car manufacturers. You do not understand the gravity of the situation to the EU… if the EU give even the smallest concessions, other EU members will kick off. And that has nothing to do with political -isms.

Oh look a federalist scared of freedom and secession.Yes if we can smash the EU’s blackmail of trade in exchange for sovereignty across Europe that will be a bonus.Having said that if we don’t do it this way maybe we’ll do it the other by staying and smashing the thing from within.On that note it doesn’t look like you’ll have the help of vote rigging in Austria this time to maintain your bs dictatorial cause.

So, you prefer to go back to independent sovereign states across Europe. The last time we had those we had wars on regular intervals. Is that what you want? I guess your inner agitator gets quite excited by the prospect of whipping up the masses to take up arms against the Bolshevik. .

Hang on… didn’t a small man with a patalogical hatred of Bolshevism once whip up his people to take up arms to destroy the Bolsheviks? He had a similar tendency to rant on and on and on.

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Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:

tommy t:
The people voted to leave the EU and that is what should happen ,without excuses

Yes, we will be leaving the EU from the position of being a fully paid up member who agrees to the 4 rules, that’s hopefully what we will get! But where did it say anything about us never ever dealing or trading with the EU again?

Do you really think that the definition of ‘leave’ means ‘remaining’ a ‘fully paid up member’ subject to any bs EU Federal ‘rules’.If the EU wants a trade war over imposing its rules on a non EU member state then bring it on.

Leave means leave get used to it.

So you can’t answer my question and trying your normal trick of avoidance and twisting things.

  • WHERE DID THE VOTE SAY WE WOULD BECOME A 3rd COUNTRY AND NOT TRY TO MAKE DEALS WITH THE EU■■?
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You couldn’t make up so much bs Brexit vote was a tie, Britain will never leave EU - academic — RT UK News

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Seems no one mentioned today memorial.
Battle of the Somme centenary!

Our ancestors fought so there will be no more war, you remember - the war to stop all wars. Didn’t happen until Europe became united, EEA, EU, whatever you want to call it its a fact, that not NATO, but European countries work together brought peace.
Will the British departure from EU bring uncertainty, economic stagnation, xenophobia, trade war etc. is to be seen.

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a week is a very long time in politics

can anyone believe what has just happened in this last week ?
the tories all over the place and treating the voters who voted out again like morons with there sly sneaky ways of trying to get a remainder to head the out door ?

i bet when deals are done the free movement of people will still be in place only difference will be that we will not be a full member of the eu, also as we now have a great friendship with Europe and not partners, it would only be fair of us to keep paying out the money to help our new friends, in order to keep the trade and good will of our new friends.

that is the sort of deal miss may will shout about in the hopes it heals the rifts on both sides ?

of course in short it means there is no change the vote we took was not even worth the bother as nothing will change.

that is how politics is done these day via back doors, back stabbing, and all the rest of the carry on from the carry on bunch

labour are also all over the place as the refuse to accept the vote or that the voters did not vote for them and what they wanted so its the leaders fault ? its clear labour will just not listen to what the voters said in the ballot
they refuse to give up there policy on migration as for now its a strong card for them in the citys so there stuck with it, if they dare change they would lose the support of the citys

also there just full of political correct do gooders who seem to think we can just keep paying out and helping out anyone who comes here from around the globe anything else is seen as racist

it seems to me after this week and all the madness that has gone on that no matter what happens the political lot of either side will just not listen to what people really want in this country
the lib dems go one better they want to stand at the next election with a pledge to reverse the eu decision and take us back into it i mean didnt they understand the result ?

my only real worry now for the future is what is ukip going to do ? there is talk about a new party being born without farage with yet more back stabbing going on. i know ukip were a party formed to get us out of the eu and the job is done, but if the politicians of the country had any sort of vision they would see farage as a guy who changed a country despite everyone and all things being against him. he has proved his worth

i hope against hope he is in the team that will sort of the exit of the eu as only with that man on board will we honestly get out of the eu and have the free movement of people stopped anything else will just not work as the others will ■■■■■ foot around and strike a deal that will be just the same as it was before.

anyway i wonder what next week will look like ?

anyone lost there jobs yet ? anyone lost all the money yet ? anyone lost there home yet ?
what happened to the budget we were going to have ? who knows maybe that will come next week ? :smiley:

all in all i think people are just fed up now with politicians as year on year life does not get much better for more and more people, the lucky few those who have partners and they bring home a good few quid between them are still doing ok
you will know the type as there the drivers who only want to work 8 hours a day as they dont need the extra money compared to a guy who has a family and bills to pay out of just one wage coming in so long hours are the norm and a must or they have to go without

i think that is what is dividing this country more and more so the answer is either a good shake up or find a wife that has a good wage coming in :smiley:

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Dolph:
Seems no one mentioned today memorial.
Battle of the Somme centenary!

Our ancestors fought so there will be no more war, you remember - the war to stop all wars. Didn’t happen until Europe became united, EEA, EU, whatever you want to call it its a fact, that not NATO, but European countries work together brought peace.
Will the British departure from EU bring uncertainty, economic stagnation, xenophobia, trade war etc. is to be seen.

Sorry Dolph but that argument is bollox and you are hypothesizing.
How do you know that the EU federation doesn’t end up leading to a war?
You don’t, and can only guess…

You are taking something that should be respected, and trying to use it for your own propaganda purposes! :cry:

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Dipper_Dave:
But is the eu a federation or a confederation or something totally different, maybe a con fed hybrid.

As far as history goes we are in unchartered waters, some comparisons can be made to historical separations but we must ride this wave of change with a stiff rudder and steady anchor.

For this we need a focused captain or more likely a captainess.

A Confederation wouldn’t be able to impose any rules or decisions on any member state without that state’s consent.The EU is a Federation dedicated to the ever increasing transfer of state sovereignty to Federal government control.

There’s nothing uncharted about these waters they are as known now as they were at the time of the arguments over the US constitution.The Federalists won and this was the result less than 100 years later in just one place repeated in loads of others.Is this what you want in Europe. :unamused: :frowning:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … _ruins.jpg

Or to bring the issue up to date.

youtube.com/watch?v=XvK80qgVWb8

I’m out.You can’t educate indoctrinated fanatical Pork. :imp: :unamused:

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desypete:
a week is a very long time in politics

can anyone believe what has just happened in this last week ?
the tories all over the place and treating the voters who voted out again like morons with there sly sneaky ways of trying to get a remainder to head the out door ?

i bet when deals are done the free movement of people will still be in place only difference will be that we will not be a full member of the eu, also as we now have a great friendship with Europe and not partners, it would only be fair of us to keep paying out the money to help our new friends, in order to keep the trade and good will of our new friends.

that is the sort of deal miss may will shout about in the hopes it heals the rifts on both sides ?

of course in short it means there is no change the vote we took was not even worth the bother as nothing will change.

that is how politics is done these day via back doors, back stabbing, and all the rest of the carry on from the carry on bunch

labour are also all over the place as the refuse to accept the vote or that the voters did not vote for them and what they wanted so its the leaders fault ? its clear labour will just not listen to what the voters said in the ballot
they refuse to give up there policy on migration as for now its a strong card for them in the citys so there stuck with it, if they dare change they would lose the support of the citys

also there just full of political correct do gooders who seem to think we can just keep paying out and helping out anyone who comes here from around the globe anything else is seen as racist

it seems to me after this week and all the madness that has gone on that no matter what happens the political lot of either side will just not listen to what people really want in this country
the lib dems go one better they want to stand at the next election with a pledge to reverse the eu decision and take us back into it i mean didnt they understand the result ?

my only real worry now for the future is what is ukip going to do ? there is talk about a new party being born without farage with yet more back stabbing going on. i know ukip were a party formed to get us out of the eu and the job is done, but if the politicians of the country had any sort of vision they would see farage as a guy who changed a country despite everyone and all things being against him. he has proved his worth

i hope against hope he is in the team that will sort of the exit of the eu as only with that man on board will we honestly get out of the eu and have the free movement of people stopped anything else will just not work as the others will ■■■■■ foot around and strike a deal that will be just the same as it was before.

anyway i wonder what next week will look like ?

anyone lost there jobs yet ? anyone lost all the money yet ? anyone lost there home yet ?
what happened to the budget we were going to have ? who knows maybe that will come next week ? :smiley:

all in all i think people are just fed up now with politicians as year on year life does not get much better for more and more people, the lucky few those who have partners and they bring home a good few quid between them are still doing ok
you will know the type as there the drivers who only want to work 8 hours a day as they dont need the extra money compared to a guy who has a family and bills to pay out of just one wage coming in so long hours are the norm and a must or they have to go without

i think that is what is dividing this country more and more so the answer is either a good shake up or find a wife that has a good wage coming in :smiley:

Well the brown stuff will really hit the fan then the people will take the law into their own hands and total kaos will ensue, because all those who voted to leave ain’t going to accept this result that you and many are fearing , looks like the big business and who ever are pulling the tory party puppets strings are going of have to concede for once in the sad greedy life’s this massive pool of imported labour needs reducing/controlling

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tommy t:

desypete:
a week is a very long time in politics

can anyone believe what has just happened in this last week ?
the tories all over the place and treating the voters who voted out again like morons with there sly sneaky ways of trying to get a remainder to head the out door ?

i bet when deals are done the free movement of people will still be in place only difference will be that we will not be a full member of the eu, also as we now have a great friendship with Europe and not partners, it would only be fair of us to keep paying out the money to help our new friends, in order to keep the trade and good will of our new friends.

that is the sort of deal miss may will shout about in the hopes it heals the rifts on both sides ?

of course in short it means there is no change the vote we took was not even worth the bother as nothing will change.

that is how politics is done these day via back doors, back stabbing, and all the rest of the carry on from the carry on bunch

labour are also all over the place as the refuse to accept the vote or that the voters did not vote for them and what they wanted so its the leaders fault ? its clear labour will just not listen to what the voters said in the ballot
they refuse to give up there policy on migration as for now its a strong card for them in the citys so there stuck with it, if they dare change they would lose the support of the citys

also there just full of political correct do gooders who seem to think we can just keep paying out and helping out anyone who comes here from around the globe anything else is seen as racist

it seems to me after this week and all the madness that has gone on that no matter what happens the political lot of either side will just not listen to what people really want in this country
the lib dems go one better they want to stand at the next election with a pledge to reverse the eu decision and take us back into it i mean didnt they understand the result ?

my only real worry now for the future is what is ukip going to do ? there is talk about a new party being born without farage with yet more back stabbing going on. i know ukip were a party formed to get us out of the eu and the job is done, but if the politicians of the country had any sort of vision they would see farage as a guy who changed a country despite everyone and all things being against him. he has proved his worth

i hope against hope he is in the team that will sort of the exit of the eu as only with that man on board will we honestly get out of the eu and have the free movement of people stopped anything else will just not work as the others will ■■■■■ foot around and strike a deal that will be just the same as it was before.

anyway i wonder what next week will look like ?

anyone lost there jobs yet ? anyone lost all the money yet ? anyone lost there home yet ?
what happened to the budget we were going to have ? who knows maybe that will come next week ? :smiley:

all in all i think people are just fed up now with politicians as year on year life does not get much better for more and more people, the lucky few those who have partners and they bring home a good few quid between them are still doing ok
you will know the type as there the drivers who only want to work 8 hours a day as they dont need the extra money compared to a guy who has a family and bills to pay out of just one wage coming in so long hours are the norm and a must or they have to go without

i think that is what is dividing this country more and more so the answer is either a good shake up or find a wife that has a good wage coming in :smiley:

Well the brown stuff will really hit the fan then the people will take the law into their own hands and total kaos will ensue

If only the argument of nation v federation is historically shown to be that trivial.These stupid remain zb wits are playing with Federalist dynamite and leaving the fuse burning ready to take out the poor zb’s in the future who aren’t even born yet. :imp: :unamused: :frowning:

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Evil8Beezle:

Dolph:
Seems no one mentioned today memorial.
Battle of the Somme centenary!

Our ancestors fought so there will be no more war, you remember - the war to stop all wars. Didn’t happen until Europe became united, EEA, EU, whatever you want to call it its a fact, that not NATO, but European countries work together brought peace.
Will the British departure from EU bring uncertainty, economic stagnation, xenophobia, trade war etc. is to be seen.

Sorry Dolph but that argument is bollox and you are hypothesizing.
How do you know that the EU federation doesn’t end up leading to a war?
You don’t, and can only guess…

You are taking something that should be respected, and trying to use it for your own propaganda purposes! :cry:

And what is your proof that EU lead to war? This is the longest time in Europe with peace, I wish my kids enjoy it as well. Every time when we have nationalistic or imperialistic government takes control of European country ■■■■ happens, over and over again. Look at the last 4-5 centuries - The British, The French, The Spanish, The Italians, The Dutch, The Russian/Soviet etc.
Brexiters glorify the Empire days, some are calling for kicking out people, hate crime is on a rise, the economic uncertainty is rising as we speak. Just watched the news - 73% of British farming is exported to EU countries, 75% of UK car manufacturing is exported to EU countries, do you think outside of EU you will have the very same rights/privileges, I doubt that. People are genuinely worried. The moment article 50 is activated the British economy will go down, that’s my personal opinion. There will be no trade agreement, British business will bankrupt, if a major bank goes busted or mortgage bubble burst that will be the beginning of huge recession.