the nodding donkey:
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
Oh right so another closet remainer desperately trying to hold onto EU membership at all costs who’s playing the age card. 
You need help
I’m bored with him now. He keeps regurgitating the same waffle regardless of the argument presented. His only variation is an increase in swearing and incoherence when he has over imbibed. …
No just able to recognise a bunch of whingeing remainers hoping that they’ll be able to stay in their Federal zb pile one way or another when I see them.
It’s you lot who are regurgitating the same bs that we must keep the doors open to EU immigration and follow all of it’s other bs laws to the letter.All for the privilege of staying in the single market even though it’s clearly costing us money.
As I said we need to be out ASAP.We need a co alition of Eurosceptic leaders like David Davis,Farage and Kate Hoey and we need them fast.Instead of which we get Cameron holding onto article 50,Ken Clarke shouting that we must over turn the vote,remain MP Tharesa May for PM and an obvious deal behind closed doors to swap EU for EEA thereby meeting the letter of the referendum vote but remaining in the EU in all but name. 
On that note I’m bored with you too.
Dipper_Dave:
Carryfast:
Oh right so another closet remainer desperately trying to hold onto EU membership at all costs who’s playing the age card.
No surprise you’ve been happy enough to take an older demographic vote to stay in since 1975 when it suits you.
Did I mention predefined stereotype 
Nope embracing exit and realising its the best way forward.
Relishing the feeling of patriotism I’ve got since the vote, bathing in the new awareness of politics by the younger generation, celebrating the fact that from this day forward our youth has been shown how important it is to vote and how every vote cast counts.
Hoping for a better Britain, a nation uncluttered by EU rules and regulations, a nation where Scotland will join us and Ireland both North and South will be given the chance to unite.
The future is bright if we choose to support those who wish to shape it and welcome those who wish to join us, obviously with newer restrictions and limits on migration.
One things for sure those who want to come here and work will always be welcome, those who don’t not so much.
Brexit is the first step to a better Britain. What gets boring is the same old fears raised whatever the outcome would have been.
Some embrace change some fear it.
You ain’t going to get that without a decent team of Brexit leaders to implement the Brexit vote.While Cameron holds onto article 50 and with a clearly committed remain MP as good as already crowned as the new replacement leader and an obvious plan to replace EU membership with EEA.
Strange how such a committed supposed Leaver seems to want to stay as long as possible by Europhile Cameron holding onto article 50 and wants an equally committed remain MP to supposedly ‘lead’ us ‘out’ of the EU but then ‘into’ the EEA.
Why don’t we all take a pragmatic view of this people, as none of us are going to get exactly what we want, it’s called democracy and aren’t we lucky we still have a bit! 
We are told (by the untrustworthy scum) that we will be leaving the EU, and even our next PM in waiting is saying that’s what she will do. OK she was a remainer, but not a shouting and screaming one like some of the others, so things could be worse. What we need now is a strong negotiator, and I do believe she is that… I also believe that some of our politicians realise that they need to get on board with the public’s feelings, as otherwise come the next election, an awful lot of us are going to be voting for UKIP or whatever it becomes. Article 50 is not going to be triggered until we have a new PM, and no matter how hard CF screams and moans about it, that’s the way it’s going to go, so can we just let that go please! 
What we (the leavers) should be doing now is not fighting amongst ourselves with some accusing others of being closet remains because their politics is not as radical as others, as that solves nothing & is insulting to those that did vote leave.
Basically if you can’t have a constructive conversation then STFU! 
tommy t:
i say we keep our NHS as it is free at the point of use for uk nationals that is what is was designed for, not the rest of the world too
That’s stating the bleedin obvious.
Realistically anything else will obviously just sink it under the sheer weight of freeloading immigrant numbers.
Absolutely NHS for us and private insurance based system for immigrant workers.
Which just leaves the question,is a system designed from the outset,to deal with the symptoms of low wages,by providing cover at below cost price sustainable in the longer term anyway.IE if the money ain’t there it ain’t there whether we call it non existent tax revenues or non existent wages. 
Evil8Beezle:
Why don’t we all take a pragmatic view of this people, as none of us are going to get exactly what we want, it’s called democracy and aren’t we lucky we still have a bit! We are told (by the untrustworthy scum) that we will be leaving the EU, and even our next PM in waiting is saying that’s what she will do. OK she was a remainer, but not a shouting and screaming one like some of the others, so things could be worse. What we need now is a strong negotiator, and I do believe she is that… I also believe that some of our politicians realise that they need to get on board with the public’s feelings, as otherwise come the next election, an awful lot of us are going to be voting for UKIP or whatever it becomes. Article 50 is not going to be triggered until we have a new PM, and no matter how hard CF screams and moans about it, that’s the way it’s going to go, so can we just let that go please!
What we (the leavers) should be doing now is not fighting amongst ourselves with some accusing others of being closet remains because their politics is not as radical as others, as that solves nothing & is insulting to those that did vote leave.
Basically if you can’t have a constructive conversation then STFU!
I don’t think the idea of saying that any true Leave voter would want to see a cross party leadership team made up of people like David Davis,Farage,and Kate Hoey to take us out equals ‘radical’.As opposed to what we actually voted for.
While no anyone,who’s seriously suggesting that Cameron remaining in position holding onto article 50 and remain MP Theresa May running the show after that and at best an EEA agenda,is a good thing can’t possibly be on the Leave side of the vote.Unless we’re talking a massive infiltration scam by remainers.
Oh wait infiltration by people who won’t accept a democratic vote to leave going together with Merkel’s and the Spinelli agenda who would have thought it.
CF, you can’t seem to grasp that democracy and politics is about compromise and appeasement. Yes I’m concerned that we won’t leave the EU fully and there will be some sort of fudge, but I also understand that there was 48% that didn’t want to leave the EU. What should we and the politicians do, just ignore them completely? What exactly will that achieve■■? We will start negotiations to leave and then the whole process will implode because people won’t agree and find a compromise…
Politics and democracy doesn’t exist in your mind, you want a dictatorship based on your point of view!
Good luck with that…
tommy t:
What this has to do with the liar Blair i don’t know, but he needs to be told to ■■■■ out
Beware the Blair: Former PM hints at role in ‘extraordinarily complex’ EU Brexit talks — RT UK News meanwhile In some better news Austria will have a re run of there election Austrian court cancels presidential election result, orders re-run — RT World News
And some common sense at last http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-gove-idUKKCN0ZH4LA?il=0
As I’ve said if they can’t win a fair election the remainers now obviously intend to infiltrate the Leave negotiations.All helped by Cameron holding onto article 50.Rather than invoking it thereby removing all doubt that we’re starting the negotiations from the position of a definite non EU member state.Together with a statement that EEA membership is totally off the agenda and will remain so.
As for Gove by that logic David Davis or Kate Hoey would probaly make more committed leaders to the Brexit cause than Gove. Bearing in mind it needs to be a cross party team to reflect the vote and especially the Labour vote.
While ironically we might even actually be better off staying and helping the Germans and French etc smash the EU from within depending on which way the Austrian vote goes.Which could actually be a more important turning point than the so far and probably destined to be bs phoney Brexit one.
I concur with Evil, although the opinions of the elder generation are almost as important as mine one cannot discount them.
Pessimistic, relentless and depressing as they may be one must keep a japs eye on the past to have wisdom for the future.
They have been there, done that, got the T shirt and dribbled on it.
One things for sure you can’t satisfy all the people all the time, at best some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time or some of the people some of the time or none of the people on Tuesday. etc.
I’m quite interested in who the minister for Brexit will be. If Theresa wins will she turn to Gove, Boris or pull an unknown out the hat.
Suppose a lot depends on how Gove conducts himself during hustings, probably poorly if his recent trackrecord is anything to go by.
Evil8Beezle:
CF, you can’t seem to grasp that democracy and politics is about compromise and appeasement. Yes I’m concerned that we won’t leave the EU fully and there will be some sort of fudge, but I also understand that there was 48% that didn’t want to leave the EU. What should we and the politicians do, just ignore them completely? What exactly will that achieve■■? We will start negotiations to leave and then the whole process will implode because people won’t agree and find a compromise…
Politics and democracy doesn’t exist in your mind, you want a dictatorship based on your point of view!
Good luck with that…
The people voted to leave the EU and that is what should happen ,without excuses
OK, I clearly need to simplify…
We have a colour black, and a colour white, and when we mix them together we get grey.
That’s politics and democracy CF!
Yes they lost and we are going to leave the EU, but i don’t recall the vote saying it was to become a 3rd country relationship. Sorry pal but if you thought that was what it would mean, you misunderstood! 
What the vote meant was the first step out of the EU club and hopefully the end to uncontrolled migration. That’s what it meant to me, and now we have to see if our politicians will deliver on this. Yes I also would have liked it to mean more than that, but I’m a realist and not an idealist…
We don’t know what is going to happen pal, and only time will tell. I’m personally hoping that the whole EU crappile starts to fall apart now that we’ve taken the first step, as others may now follow. But I don’t have a crystal ball and can only hope…
Dipper_Dave:
I concur with Evil, although the opinions of the elder generation are almost as important as mine one cannot discount them.
Pessimistic, relentless and depressing as they may be one must keep a japs eye on the past to have wisdom for the future.
They have been there, done that, got the T shirt and dribbled on it.
One things for sure you can’t satisfy all the people all the time, at best some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time or some of the people some of the time or none of the people on Tuesday. etc.
It wasn’t a vote that gave more votes to younger people.It was remain or leave.Leave won.On that note we don’t expect to now have anyone from remain involved in taking us out.Cameron needs to invoke article 50 and get David Davis and Kate Hoey together to sort out our relationship with the EU as a ‘non’ EU and non EEA member state.
While if we’re really bothered about the ‘younger generation’.Then it shouldn’t be about the obviously self centred selfish aims of just the brainwashed present younger generations.It should be about the ones not born yet or possibly recently just born.Who’ll be the ones fighting and dying against an EU federal army to get their country back and in this case,considering the odds against them,probably losing that fight.
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
Oh right so another closet remainer desperately trying to hold onto EU membership at all costs who’s playing the age card.
You need help
Yeah right we can add you to the list too.
Why?
Because I believe in respecting other peoples opinions?
Because I believe in a persons right to not accept the verdict just because it went my way?
Because I believe in a persons right not to like the verdict if it didnt go their way?
Because I agree with DD that there is no need to rush into things?
Please explain your logic as to why anyone who doesnt agree with you is a closet remainer. There is a world of difference from not agreeing with you to wanting to remain in the EU but you’re blind anything that doesnt fit your way
We are the first nation in history to take this step of leaving the EU. There is no precident for it. If article 50 is invoked now, the two year clock starts ticking, of which we would waste about 3 of them getting someone in place to negotiate. You think of it any way you want but I live in the real world and if you think we hold all the power when the ticking clock countdown is weighted in favour of the EU then you are deluded. I dont know what happens if it runs down before everythnig is signed and sealed but I can hazard a guess it wont work to our advantage and will put us at a MASSIVE disadvantage. Only a fool would invoke article 50 THEN decide to get things in place. Better to get all your ducks in a row first, at your leisure, and then hit the start button on the two year clock.
What I think is that your fear of the vote getting overturned or a new referendum is making you desperate and you are panicing therefor not thinking it through properly. You want it invoked so there is no going back and it is clouding your judgement to just how dangerous that could be. You think anyone who wants to wait is automatically hoping to overturn the decision of the vote. You need ot open your mind a bit more. You’re NOT the only one with the answers
tommy t:
Evil8Beezle:
CF, you can’t seem to grasp that democracy and politics is about compromise and appeasement. Yes I’m concerned that we won’t leave the EU fully and there will be some sort of fudge, but I also understand that there was 48% that didn’t want to leave the EU. What should we and the politicians do, just ignore them completely? What exactly will that achieve■■? We will start negotiations to leave and then the whole process will implode because people won’t agree and find a compromise…
Politics and democracy doesn’t exist in your mind, you want a dictatorship based on your point of view!
Good luck with that…
The people voted to leave the EU and that is what should happen ,without excuses
Yes, we will be leaving the EU from the position of being a fully paid up member who agrees to the 4 rules, that’s hopefully what we will get! But where did it say anything about us never ever dealing or trading with the EU again?
This article 50 hang up is a bit weird now, surely you have experience in negotiations of some form.
The EU saying negotiations won’t take place till its triggered is rubbish. The triggering of article 50 if at all will be nothing more than a box ticking exercise.
As far as the younger generation, they where taught the importance of a vote, expect a lot larger turnout at the next general election when this is sorted.
CF - Your logic seems to be that because the remainers lost, they have no say now or in the future about the EU.
But I wonder what your view would be if they won, would you never ever utter another word about it or not continue your struggle and fight to leave? No, I thought not!
Evil8Beezle:
OK, I clearly need to simplify…
We have a colour black, and a colour white, and when we mix them together we get grey.
That’s politics and democracy CF!
Yes they lost and we are going to leave the EU, but i don’t recall the vote saying it was to become a 3rd country relationship. Sorry pal but if you thought that was what it would mean, you misunderstood! What the vote meant was the first step out of the EU club and hopefully the end to uncontrolled migration. That’s what it meant to me, and now we have to see if our politicians will deliver on this. Yes I also would have liked it to mean more than that, but I’m a realist and not an idealist…
We don’t know what is going to happen pal, and only time will tell. I’m personally hoping that the whole EU crappile starts to fall apart now that we’ve taken the first step, as others may now follow. But I don’t have a crystal ball and can only hope…
As I said it is a clear black and white vote and if the remainers want to keep pushing for their bs aims of keeping us tied to their federal zb pile there will probably be trouble.This isn’t something that can be settled by compromise.As you’ll find if you’ve got any idea of history at all.Yes third country but using the god given benefit of our trade deficit in this case to smash the EU’s economic blackmail of sovereignty in exchange for trade.Yes no surprise that the cheap labour and open door pro immigration Socialist agenda in this country ain’t going to like it.
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
OK, I clearly need to simplify…
We have a colour black, and a colour white, and when we mix them together we get grey.
That’s politics and democracy CF!
Yes they lost and we are going to leave the EU, but i don’t recall the vote saying it was to become a 3rd country relationship. Sorry pal but if you thought that was what it would mean, you misunderstood! What the vote meant was the first step out of the EU club and hopefully the end to uncontrolled migration. That’s what it meant to me, and now we have to see if our politicians will deliver on this. Yes I also would have liked it to mean more than that, but I’m a realist and not an idealist…
We don’t know what is going to happen pal, and only time will tell. I’m personally hoping that the whole EU crappile starts to fall apart now that we’ve taken the first step, as others may now follow. But I don’t have a crystal ball and can only hope…
As I said it is a clear black and white vote and if the remainers want to keep pushing for their bs aims of keeping us tied to their federal zb pile there will probably be trouble.This isn’t something that can be settled by compromise.As you’ll find if you’ve got any idea of history at all.Yes third country but using the god given benefit of our trade deficit in this case to smash the EU’s economic blackmail of sovereignty in exchange for trade.Yes no surprise that the cheap labour and open door pro immigration Socialist agenda in this country ain’t going to like it.
Yes I know a bit of history thanks, and I can also tell when someone is trying to partonise me.
But can you show me where it said the vote was to be a 3rd country relationship?
Take your time, I’ll be waiting…
Carryfast:
It was a two way vote.Remain or Leave.If Leave win you don’t expect to get a Remain agenda.Remain lost get over over it.We’ve now got the right to expect a Leave agenda which in no way can possibly make any compromise with remain.
So if it had been a 52%/48% in favour of remain verdict, you would have kept quiet and not disputed it, moaned about it, called for it to be done again or demanded that the 48% who voted leave be considered when it comes to negotiating with the EU? You’d have accepted it with good grace and went “Oh well. The majority have spoken. Lets m ove on now” would you?
Do me a favour.
The remainers who lost are behaving EXACTLY the same way you would. In fact, you’d be worse than the 14 million of them combined. Its your double standards just because the result suits you that I find the most astonishing