Munchkin:
Must say Gove has surprised me, didn’t think he had that sort of ruthlessness about him. He’d make an ideal assassin, blends into the background and stabs Boris in the back.
The corridors of power and the gentlemen’s clubs must have been interesting places on Wed night
Shades of the dealings that made Jim hacker P.M.
He’s the one to watch. He’s done it almost identical to Major, without the “tooth ache” 
tommy t:
Well it’s one thing them wanting to secure trade deals with other non eu countries first before starting the exit timer but what evidence is there that they are doing anything yet , or have these idiots still not got it,? of how we the people feel and what we expect ,? any trade agreement with that dictatorship that we have left( in all but red tape) should not involve freedom of movement , if it does we better reject it , we have 2yrs + to apply further pressure, merkel’s people want to sell their cars to us don’t they ?
Or we change the laws , so EU migrants get no access to benefits, nothing, or free non emergency medical treatment ( we are no longer in the eu)
The importance of a constitution seems to be growing on me, as that could be what is needed here
Please tell me what is free, as I EU national pay income tax and NI contribution every week, shouldn’t I be entitled for medical care? What kind of policy you want to have for working foreigners■■? Are we to be treated like slaves, work, pay taxes and contribution, but if you need non emergency medical care, go home■■?
Dolph:
tommy t:
Well it’s one thing them wanting to secure trade deals with other non eu countries first before starting the exit timer but what evidence is there that they are doing anything yet , or have these idiots still not got it,? of how we the people feel and what we expect ,? any trade agreement with that dictatorship that we have left( in all but red tape) should not involve freedom of movement , if it does we better reject it , we have 2yrs + to apply further pressure, merkel’s people want to sell their cars to us don’t they ?
Or we change the laws , so EU migrants get no access to benefits, nothing, or free non emergency medical treatment ( we are no longer in the eu)
The importance of a constitution seems to be growing on me, as that could be what is needed herePlease tell me what is free, as I EU national pay income tax and NI contribution every week, shouldn’t I be entitled for medical care? What kind of policy you want to have for working foreigners■■? Are we to be treated like slaves, work, pay taxes and contribution, but if you need non emergency medical care, go home■■?
Dolph if you have chosen to live and work in the UK you and your family if they live here have every right to receive the benefits, healthcare, crap a UK citizen does. Some would argue more right than some UK citizens.
Leaving the EU will not change this, at worst all that will happen is there’s another form to fill in for those wishing to enter but that’s a long way away yet.
If I had my way anyone caught chanting xenophobic ‘go home’ chants should be kicked out of society. Or given a smacked bottom at the least.
Dipper_Dave:
Dolph:
tommy t:
Well it’s one thing them wanting to secure trade deals with other non eu countries first before starting the exit timer but what evidence is there that they are doing anything yet , or have these idiots still not got it,? of how we the people feel and what we expect ,? any trade agreement with that dictatorship that we have left( in all but red tape) should not involve freedom of movement , if it does we better reject it , we have 2yrs + to apply further pressure, merkel’s people want to sell their cars to us don’t they ?
Or we change the laws , so EU migrants get no access to benefits, nothing, or free non emergency medical treatment ( we are no longer in the eu)
The importance of a constitution seems to be growing on me, as that could be what is needed herePlease tell me what is free, as I EU national pay income tax and NI contribution every week, shouldn’t I be entitled for medical care? What kind of policy you want to have for working foreigners■■? Are we to be treated like slaves, work, pay taxes and contribution, but if you need non emergency medical care, go home■■?
Dolph if you have chosen to live and work in the UK you and your family if they live here have every right to receive the benefits, healthcare, crap a UK citizen does. Some would argue more right than some UK citizens.
Leaving the EU will not change this, at worst all that will happen is there’s another form to fill in for those wishing to enter but that’s a long way away yet.
If I had my way anyone caught chanting xenophobic ‘go home’ chants should be kicked out of society. Or given a smacked bottom at the least.
+1
Personally I never ever cared about social benefits, never use them and hope never will. But when comes to medical care, dental care, pension contribution Im furious as I want to have the same rights and obligations like the native people, no more no less.
Dolph:
tommy t:
Well it’s one thing them wanting to secure trade deals with other non eu countries first before starting the exit timer but what evidence is there that they are doing anything yet , or have these idiots still not got it,? of how we the people feel and what we expect ,? any trade agreement with that dictatorship that we have left( in all but red tape) should not involve freedom of movement , if it does we better reject it , we have 2yrs + to apply further pressure, merkel’s people want to sell their cars to us don’t they ?
Or we change the laws , so EU migrants get no access to benefits, nothing, or free non emergency medical treatment ( we are no longer in the eu)
The importance of a constitution seems to be growing on me, as that could be what is needed herePlease tell me what is free, as I EU national pay income tax and NI contribution every week, shouldn’t I be entitled for medical care? What kind of policy you want to have for working foreigners■■? Are we to be treated like slaves, work, pay taxes and contribution, but if you need non emergency medical care, go home■■?
There has to be some radical changes made, the NI & tax most pay is given back in in work benefits to most ,then there’s child benefit, why should the uk pay for children that don’t even live here? and pay at a rate higher than a uk citizen would be entitled to if working in a country like Poland for instance
The NHS free at the point of use health care system, It’s doubtful that the existing agreements in place now that allows the NHS to recover the full costs of treatment for non uk nationals , will remain in place once we leave the EU , And if it doesn’t then we have to make it one of the requirements that all new arrivals have to have valid health care cover, those who wish to come here and live here permanently , shouldn’t get nothing back for 4-5yrs this free for all cannot continue on the same scale , the nhs is broken
And if we compare , if i were to go and look for work in another country , I would need health care insurance as not all other EU countries will except the NHS EHIC card ,they will and do want paying for treatment , As for benefits they would be uncertain and something i would plan on not relying on
Dipper_Dave:
Reckon I’m in the minority thinking Theresa is the best man for the job.Although there’s a few of us that can see why Article 50 hasn’t been triggered for those struggling here’s a flawed analogy.
Imagine you shopped at Tesco and where also a shareholder that although costing a bit extra gave you special privileges and discounts.
Now as a shareholder you also had the option to go and move into any other shareholders house and live with them and vice versa. But even though other shareholders had bigger houses yours was the nicest and a lot wanted to move in, even some non shareholders where trying to sneak in through the back door.Right so you’ve had enough and no longer want to be a shareholder but you are also one of Tesco’s best customers.
Tesco is not happy about this but due to your spending power would be foolish to stop you coming in.
In fact Tesco still want you to accept lodgers which is the main reason you want to leave as your house is getting a bit full and the home owners are getting ■■■■■■ off with all the dodgy folk moving in and ■■■■■■■■ in the sink.Bugger this you say, we will now decide who moves in but still spend our hard earned coppers in Tesco so shouldn’t be an issue.
Tesco is not happy with this and now want you to trigger article 50 and the other shareholders will decide for you what the best options are.
Bollox to this you say we ain’t triggering nothing until you’ve accepted our terms. If you don’t we will shop at Asda or the other supermarkets that we haven’t been able to shop at whilst locked into Tesco.
Course everyone living at our house already is welcome to stay but new lodgers require our permission.
Why would we want someone who was/is committed to the remain cause to be in control of a Brexit agenda.
As for the Tesco agenda.Not exactly.The idea of being a shareholder is to get a net return on your investment and the idea of being a customer is to get something of equal value back in return.IE not a customer of Tesco in this case more like being charged a million quid every six months as a standing charge for the privilege of shopping there and then being told that we have to pay ten quid for every five pounds worth of shopping.Oh and Tesco management reserve the right to a share in the ownership of your house and the right to decide who lives there. 
Bollox to this you say I’m out of here ASAP and don’t look back.If they then want to provide a better deal after we’ve gone fine if not who gives a zb we’re well ahead before we even start negotiating at that point.
Hopefully no one will ever listen to your advice on what to do with their money or who gets access to the deeds of their house. 
tommy t:
There has to be some radical changes made, the NI & tax most pay is given back in in work benefits to most ,then there’s child benefit, why should the uk pay for children that don’t even live here? and pay at a rate higher than a uk citizen would be entitled to if working in a country like Poland for instance+1… Something radical really needs to be done about this…
tommy t:
Only problem here is they couldn’t run a bath never mind a country except into the ground maybe And we can’t trust may to get the best deal from the EU ,They are spending to much time dwelling over single market access, If that comes with the condition of freedom of movement , which is what is being said so far ( according to our media) then that isn’t going to happen , so they should be getting on with the job of getting deals with non EU countries in place, go the WTO route , stick the two fingers up at the Brussels dictatorship , we aren’t tied to the EUAs for those EU nationals already here who have been here for at least 12mths any benefits in work or child benefit would be reviewed within 6mths and may cease to be paid , those who haven’t been here for 12mths, or allowed to enter once outside eu no benefits payable and health insurance would be required
Why would we need to worry about having to look for other markets when we haven’t even gone for the option of saying access to their market without strings or they get no access to ours. 
On that note what a surprise a remain agenda which maintains the supply of cheap labour and which appeases the Corbyn’s Bolsheviks,to deal with the inconvenient fact of vote for leave which they never intended to happen.
I’m starting to doubt your grasp of how things work in the real world.
Open your mind, stop living in fear of predefined stereotypes that have shaped your existence.
Stop blaming politics for everything and remember your the outgoing generation, it’s our turn now to ■■■■ it up for our kids.
tommy t:
Dolph:
tommy t:
Well it’s one thing them wanting to secure trade deals with other non eu countries first before starting the exit timer but what evidence is there that they are doing anything yet , or have these idiots still not got it,? of how we the people feel and what we expect ,? any trade agreement with that dictatorship that we have left( in all but red tape) should not involve freedom of movement , if it does we better reject it , we have 2yrs + to apply further pressure, merkel’s people want to sell their cars to us don’t they ?
Or we change the laws , so EU migrants get no access to benefits, nothing, or free non emergency medical treatment ( we are no longer in the eu)
The importance of a constitution seems to be growing on me, as that could be what is needed herePlease tell me what is free, as I EU national pay income tax and NI contribution every week, shouldn’t I be entitled for medical care? What kind of policy you want to have for working foreigners■■? Are we to be treated like slaves, work, pay taxes and contribution, but if you need non emergency medical care, go home■■?
There has to be some radical changes made, the NI & tax most pay is given back in in work benefits to most ,then there’s child benefit, why should the uk pay for children that don’t even live here? and pay at a rate higher than a uk citizen would be entitled to if working in a country like Poland for instance
The NHS free at the point of use health care system, It’s doubtful that the existing agreements in place now that allows the NHS to recover the full costs of treatment for non uk nationals , will remain in place once we leave the EU , And if it doesn’t then we have to make it one of the requirements that all new arrivals have to have valid health care cover , this free for all cannot continue on the same scale , the nhs is broken
And if we compare , if i were to go and look for work in another country , I would need health care insurance as not all other EU countries will except the NHS EHIC card ,they will and do want paying for treatment , As for benefits they would be uncertain and something i would plan on not relying on
On the change part I agree, we have discuss this before.
Well its not EU its UK outdated laws and benefit system. The EU only states you cant discriminate EU nationals compare to native population. I read the requirement for child benefit on gov.uk.co and it doesnt state anywhere the child must live in UK. Any other EU country mandate to receive child benefit the child must live in the country, who’s fault is that UK law has flaws?
Again NHS need reform - like every other country in EU, even Bulgaria has contributory based healthcare system, and the contribution for unemployed people is a joke, but its there. In UK you just walk in to a hospital and demand, thats madness!
Again you are wrong, all EU countries accept EHIC, which is for emergency medical care and is valid for 12 month, I’ve it in my pocket. The moment you get NIN of the host country and start contributing into the system you get covered like the native EU citizen.
Dipper_Dave:
I’m starting to doubt your grasp of how things work in the real world.Open your mind, stop living in fear of predefined stereotypes that have shaped your existence.
Stop blaming politics for everything and remember your the outgoing generation, it’s our turn now to ■■■■ it up for our kids.
Oh right so another closet remainer desperately trying to hold onto EU membership at all costs who’s playing the age card.
No surprise you’ve been happy enough to take an older demographic vote to stay in since 1975 when it suits you.
What this has to do with the liar Blair i don’t know, but he needs to be told to ■■■■ out
Beware the Blair: Former PM hints at role in ‘extraordinarily complex’ EU Brexit talks — RT UK News meanwhile In some better news Austria will have a re run of there election Austrian court cancels presidential election result, orders re-run — RT World News
And some common sense at last http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-gove-idUKKCN0ZH4LA?il=0
Dolph:
tommy t:
Well it’s one thing them wanting to secure trade deals with other non eu countries first before starting the exit timer but what evidence is there that they are doing anything yet , or have these idiots still not got it,? of how we the people feel and what we expect ,? any trade agreement with that dictatorship that we have left( in all but red tape) should not involve freedom of movement , if it does we better reject it , we have 2yrs + to apply further pressure, merkel’s people want to sell their cars to us don’t they ?
Or we change the laws , so EU migrants get no access to benefits, nothing, or free non emergency medical treatment ( we are no longer in the eu)
The importance of a constitution seems to be growing on me, as that could be what is needed herePlease tell me what is free, as I EU national pay income tax and NI contribution every week, shouldn’t I be entitled for medical care? What kind of policy you want to have for working foreigners■■? Are we to be treated like slaves, work, pay taxes and contribution, but if you need non emergency medical care, go home■■?
Realistically if we’re going to have a USE we might as well have an American type health system to go with it.That will tilt the cheap labour angle a bit against trying to over supply the labour market on a distorted localised basis.Because if not half the workforce will be dying off with untreated illnesses.Remind us what happened in the case of your US employment chances.
Carryfast:
Oh right so another closet remainer desperately trying to hold onto EU membership at all costs who’s playing the age card.
You need help
Carryfast:
Dolph:
tommy t:
Well it’s one thing them wanting to secure trade deals with other non eu countries first before starting the exit timer but what evidence is there that they are doing anything yet , or have these idiots still not got it,? of how we the people feel and what we expect ,? any trade agreement with that dictatorship that we have left( in all but red tape) should not involve freedom of movement , if it does we better reject it , we have 2yrs + to apply further pressure, merkel’s people want to sell their cars to us don’t they ?
Or we change the laws , so EU migrants get no access to benefits, nothing, or free non emergency medical treatment ( we are no longer in the eu)
The importance of a constitution seems to be growing on me, as that could be what is needed herePlease tell me what is free, as I EU national pay income tax and NI contribution every week, shouldn’t I be entitled for medical care? What kind of policy you want to have for working foreigners■■? Are we to be treated like slaves, work, pay taxes and contribution, but if you need non emergency medical care, go home■■?
Realistically if we’re going to have a USE we might as well have an American type health system to go with it.That will tilt the cheap labour angle a bit against trying to over supply the labour market on a distorted localised basis.Because if not half the workforce will be dying off with untreated illnesses.Remind us what happened in the case of your US employment chances.
yes but if you made it a condition of being allowed in the uk that you had to have valid health care insurance then they wouldn’t be here, those that are already here we give those who have been here less than say 1 -2yrs some time to get their health care sorted , or they have to say adiós , that would save a lot of bureaucracy , as the poor and disabled ect uk nationals would have to have their health care paid by the DWP or another new department
But i say we keep our NHS as it is free at the point of use for uk nationals that is what is was designed for, not the rest of the world too
Carryfast:
Oh right so another closet remainer desperately trying to hold onto EU membership at all costs who’s playing the age card.No surprise you’ve been happy enough to take an older demographic vote to stay in since 1975 when it suits you.
Did I mention predefined stereotype 
Nope embracing exit and realising its the best way forward.
Relishing the feeling of patriotism I’ve got since the vote, bathing in the new awareness of politics by the younger generation, celebrating the fact that from this day forward our youth has been shown how important it is to vote and how every vote cast counts.
Hoping for a better Britain, a nation uncluttered by EU rules and regulations, a nation where Scotland will join us and Ireland both North and South will be given the chance to unite.
The future is bright if we choose to support those who wish to shape it and welcome those who wish to join us, obviously with newer restrictions and limits on migration.
One things for sure those who want to come here and work will always be welcome, those who don’t not so much.
Brexit is the first step to a better Britain. What gets boring is the same old fears raised whatever the outcome would have been.
Some embrace change some fear it.
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
Oh right so another closet remainer desperately trying to hold onto EU membership at all costs who’s playing the age card.You need help
I’m bored with him now. He keeps regurgitating the same waffle regardless of the argument presented. His only variation is an increase in swearing and incoherence when he has over imbibed. …
The daily fail looks like it fails the people again :
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-dailymail-idUKKCN0ZG34S
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
Oh right so another closet remainer desperately trying to hold onto EU membership at all costs who’s playing the age card.You need help
Yeah right we can add you to the list too.
They never will learn, and always will be idiots