Carryfast:
More BBC propaganda now pushing the new Star Trek film.Which no surprise contains a story line about the aggression of the evil anti federalists against the good federation.Which equally no surprise was then linked to the situation of Brexit v the EU.
Stalin would have been proud.
OK, so the Remain campaign persuaded Paramount Pictures start on this film 3 years ago at a cost of $150M just so they could release it in July 2016 just as things were starting to shake out after the referendum did they ?
As a conspiracy theory it’s a cracker !
His theories get more ridiculous by the day, they need to increase his medication.
Do you two deliberately miss the point to suit your own agendas? He pointed out the bbc had compared the story line to the referendum. Or did you just see the words bbc and Star Trek and make up the rest
Oh look his boyfriends arrived on a white charger leaping to his defence, quite sad really.
del trotter:
Oh look his boyfriends arrived on a white charger leaping to his defence, quite sad really.
Why do remainers always play the man and not the ball? That’s quite sad really, but don’t worry, I won’t go crying to teacher to report the personal attack And if you’re going to attack me, make it coherent. Boyfriends (plural) implied there’s more than one of me, I’d be terribly upset if that was the case
del trotter:
Oh look his boyfriends arrived on a white charger leaping to his defence, quite sad really.
Why do remainers always play the man and not the ball? That’s quite sad really, but don’t worry, I won’t go crying to teacher to report the personal attack And if you’re going to attack me, make it coherent. Boyfriends (plural) implied there’s more than one of me, I’d be terribly upset if that was the case
You may have missed the possible “boyfriend has” reduction to boyfriend’s then ultimately boyfriends.
Dolph:
Is the pound and the economy holding only because article 50 is not activated yet. What will happen, will the market/economy/investment/jobs be hurt massively once the article is announced?
Which would obviously be confirmation that the bankers are betting ( more like have been given the nod ) on a hidden agenda to over turn the vote.Surely it can’t be because Cameron has said that it must hold.Oh wait surely if Cameron said so it can’t possibly be true.
So now you blame EU for UK not willing to initiate article 50
In the absence of Juncker issuing a statement that
The EU no longer recognises the UK government as being the legitimate voice concerning UK membership.Only the referendum vote.
He therefore no longer views UK membership as being in the interests of either the EU or the UK.
The above crisis creates a situation of force majeur outside any foreseeable scenarios intended within article 50.
4 ) The UK’s EU membership may now considered to be terminated.
While obviously issuing no statements which couldn’t be considered as at least tacit support of the current status quo of our continuing EU membership.Also bearing in mind that the UK parliament can still be considered as a Europhile assembly of MP’s part of and subject to the EU apparatus.
Wiretwister:
You may have missed the possible “boyfriend has” reduction to boyfriend’s then ultimately boyfriends.
Blimey homophobia breaking out in the Socialist ranks.Or is it just Socialists thinking along typically Socialist lines of judging everyone by their own standards.
Wiretwister:
You may have missed the possible “boyfriend has” reduction to boyfriend’s then ultimately boyfriends.
Blimey homophobia breaking out in the Socialist ranks.Or is it just Socialists thinking along typically Socialist lines of judging everyone by their own standards.
Could be and, if it suits your purpose, it will be. I was actually trying to pre-empt the grammar police, maybe a bit to subtle for you.
Wiretwister:
You may have missed the possible “boyfriend has” reduction to boyfriend’s then ultimately boyfriends.
Blimey homophobia breaking out in the Socialist ranks.Or is it just Socialists thinking along typically Socialist lines of judging everyone by their own standards.
Could be and, if it suits your purpose, it will be. I was actually trying to pre-empt the grammar police, maybe a bit to subtle for you.
My comments were obviously equally subtly directed at Munchkin and Del Trotter.
Dolph:
Is the pound and the economy holding only because article 50 is not activated yet. What will happen, will the market/economy/investment/jobs be hurt massively once the article is announced?
Which would obviously be confirmation that the bankers are betting ( more like have been given the nod ) on a hidden agenda to over turn the vote.Surely it can’t be because Cameron has said that it must hold.Oh wait surely if Cameron said so it can’t possibly be true.
So now you blame EU for UK not willing to initiate article 50
In the absence of Juncker issuing a statement that
The EU no longer recognises the UK government as being the legitimate voice concerning UK membership.Only the referendum vote.
He therefore no longer views UK membership as being in the interests of either the EU or the UK.
The above crisis creates a situation of force majeur outside any foreseeable scenarios intended within article 50.
4 ) The UK’s EU membership may now considered to be terminated.
While obviously issuing no statements which couldn’t be considered as at least tacit support of the current status quo of our continuing EU membership.Also bearing in mind that the UK parliament can still be considered as a Europhile assembly of MP’s part of and subject to the EU apparatus.
Yes it is the ‘EU’s’ fault.
You are unchangeable, you will blame EU for everything, even when is Westminster fault, plain and simple.
In the end of the day, you are the one who want to leave, do it as the rules state it - file the damned application and be done with it.
Dolph:
In the end of the day, you are the one who want to leave, do it as the rules state it - file the damned application and be done with it.
The rules don’t state that Article 50 has to be invoked within any specific time.
The rules do state that a Prime Minister who is leaving post, for whatever reason, cannot go until he can advise the Queen on who should form the new government. Conservative Party leadership battles tend to take two to three months to find a new leader.
Once Article 50 is invoked it skews the balance of power in the negotiations in favour of the continuing member states. That is because of the two-year rule and the unanimity requirement for extensions to that period. Hence the UK must have everything in order before it invokes Article 50.
No point firing the gun until you have clear sight of the target.
Dolph:
In the end of the day, you are the one who want to leave, do it as the rules state it - file the damned application and be done with it.
The rules don’t state that Article 50 has to be invoked within any specific time.
The rules do state that a Prime Minister who is leaving post, for whatever reason, cannot go until he can advise the Queen on who should form the new government. Conservative Party leadership battles tend to take two to three months to find a new leader.
Once Article 50 is invoked it skews the balance of power in the negotiations in favour of the continuing member states. That is because of the two-year rule and the unanimity requirement for extensions to that period. Hence the UK must have everything in order before it invokes Article 50.
No point firing the gun until you have clear sight of the target.
Dolph:
You are unchangeable, you will blame EU for everything, even when is Westminster fault, plain and simple.
In the end of the day, you are the one who want to leave, do it as the rules state it - file the damned application and be done with it.
We can’t file the application because we’re lumbered with a Europhile parliament that is stalling and playing for time as part of a plan to keep us in.It says everything about the undemocratic nature of the EU that it refuses to recognise the supremacy of a referendum decision in that situation,as I said,by over ruling our government and then cutting us loose.On the grounds of exceptional circumstances resulting from a referendum vote which contradicts the national parliamentary one.
On that note it’s bleedin ironic that you’re on here whingeing and moaning about the leave vote while at the same time supposedly also moaning about us not leaving.Which is it do you support us getting out or do you want the vote over turned.If it’s the former then why all the continuing remain campaign bs.
Dolph:
In the end of the day, you are the one who want to leave, do it as the rules state it - file the damned application and be done with it.
The rules don’t state that Article 50 has to be invoked within any specific time.
The rules do state that a Prime Minister who is leaving post, for whatever reason, cannot go until he can advise the Queen on who should form the new government. Conservative Party leadership battles tend to take two to three months to find a new leader.
Once Article 50 is invoked it skews the balance of power in the negotiations in favour of the continuing member states. That is because of the two-year rule and the unanimity requirement for extensions to that period. Hence the UK must have everything in order before it invokes Article 50.
No point firing the gun until you have clear sight of the target.
+1
At least a few of us can see the logic!
+2
Waiting until we’re ready seems to me to be the only sensible thing to do.
Stanley Knife:
The rules don’t state that Article 50 has to be invoked within any specific time.
The rules do state that a Prime Minister who is leaving post, for whatever reason, cannot go until he can advise the Queen on who should form the new government. Conservative Party leadership battles tend to take two to three months to find a new leader.
Once Article 50 is invoked it skews the balance of power in the negotiations in favour of the continuing member states. That is because of the two-year rule and the unanimity requirement for extensions to that period. Hence the UK must have everything in order before it invokes Article 50.
No point firing the gun until you have clear sight of the target.
+1
At least a few of us can see the logic!
I think there’s more chance that any unnecessary delay in this case will be more likely to play into the hands of Farron,Sturgeon and Corbyn or his successor in addition to the Europhiles in the Conservative ranks.While the target is as clear now as it will ever be.Access of the UK to the EU single market as an EFTA member state but ‘not’ as an EEA one.Take it or leave it but that will always remain the terms for EU access to the UK market.How long did that take.
On that note Cameron probably won’t go for a while ‘but’ if he really intends to honour the vote there’s nothing stopping him from putting Davis in Philip Hammond’s job with immediate effect and signing article 50 himself.On that note we can probably take his ‘promises’,regarding the vote,with his ‘promises’ regarding Turkish membership of the EU during the referendum campaign,as opposed to what he said in 2010.
tachograph:
+2
Waiting until we’re ready seems to me to be the only sensible thing to do.
Define in exactly what way aren’t we ready now that we would be in the future. Better to get the inevitable bs EU trade war posturing over with now than give Farron and Corbyn and Sturgeon and Clarke time to over turn the decision.Probably with Cameron’s behind closed doors help
tachograph:
+2
Waiting until we’re ready seems to me to be the only sensible thing to do.
Define in exactly what way aren’t we ready now that we would be in the future. Better to get the inevitable bs EU trade war posturing over with now than give Farron and Corbyn and Sturgeon and Clarke time to over turn the decision.Probably with Cameron’s behind closed doors help
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the conservative party are about to elect a new prime minister, it would be ludicrous for Cameron to set up a team for the negotiations then find it’s not the team his successor wants.
tachograph:
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the conservative party are about to elect a new prime minister, it would be ludicrous for Cameron to set up a team for the negotiations then find it’s not the team his successor wants.
Fine in which case that’s still no reason as to why Cameron wouldn’t want to replace Europhile Hammond with Euroseceptic Davis.Or still no reason as to why article 50 wasn’t triggered on 24th June.Or for that matter why Theresa May would be considered as a better bet than Liam Fox or David Davis.Instead of which we’ve got Ken Clarke shouting the odds for cross party support for over turning the vote.
Let’s just say that we’re seeing none of the massive shift expected within the Labour or Conservative administrations to an uncompromisingly Eurosceptic power base that would reflect the vote.Bearing in mind that Corbyn sits well entrenched as Labour leader with no sign of Labour even recognising the credibility which the vote would have been expected to give Kate Hoey.As opposed to its remain mob being firmly in control of joining Clarke’s,Farron’s and Sturgeon’s obvious stated agenda.As I said not invoking article 50 just helping their cause massively.
Any one watching question time on the bias broadcasting corporation ? they think the leave and remain should unite,lol getting sick of their propaganda a planted panel’s and audiences glad i don’t pay the tv tax and as long as they broadcast this tripe, i won’t ever pay it
tommy t:
Any one watching question time on the bias broadcasting corporation ? they think the leave and remain should unite,lol getting sick of their propaganda a planted panel’s and audiences glad i don’t pay the tv tax and as long as they broadcast this tripe, i won’t ever pay it
Yep, Bollox, Bollox, Bollox!
It appears we are being told that Theresa May is our next PM.
tommy t:
Any one watching question time on the bias broadcasting corporation ? they think the leave and remain should unite,lol getting sick of their propaganda a planted panel’s and audiences glad i don’t pay the tv tax and as long as they broadcast this tripe, i won’t ever pay it
Blimey you must have a strong stomach to be able to watch that zb.
Let me guess.What a surprise Cameron installs another Europhile just like Thatcher as the new PM and the Leave vote is now expected to compromise on its demands ?.In which case what odds that article 50 is being held to ransom on the condition that we go from EU to EEA ( effectively the same thing from the point of view of being dictated to by Brussels for the privilege of being a net importer of EU products ). The question then being why has Farage all of a sudden gone so quiet on it all bearing in mind that move could easily have been foreseen.
And if you’re going to attack me, make it coherent. Boyfriends (plural) implied there’s more than one of me, I’d be terribly upset if that was the case 
Better to get the inevitable bs EU trade war posturing over with now than give Farron and Corbyn and Sturgeon and Clarke time to over turn the decision.Probably with Cameron’s behind closed doors help 