desypete:
dont qoute me on it and i dont want posts flying up from 10 years hence, but i am sure from your posting you was calling people like me who voted out as racist just because i want to put my own people first ? i dont see that as racist but nationalism and i would expect the french or other nations who would follow the uks lead to do and feel the same way as me if indeed they vote out or get a chance to
the eu is crap, and the free movement of people is totaly wrong and again i stress that is not racist its just common sense, if more and more come here there is less and less for our own kids or grand kids
it might be a very selfish view i have but i see it as nationalist without all the bnp rubbish that brands being a nationalist as Nazis
^ This.
It’s the realisation that Nationalist ain’t ■■■■ which is going to be the key to dragging this country and Europe in general out of the massive danger it’s in and which is what’s terrifying the Socialist infiltrated Labour Party and EU politburo.
The-Snowman:
Nah, dont flatter yourself desy. You dont upset me. You’re not clever enough at trolling to hide the fact that’s what you’re doing. A bit like boredwivdrivin. Just saying.
Theres nowt wrong with a spelling mistake or two. Everyone does it and no ones grammar is perfect. But you’d get taken a bit more serious if you at least chucked in a full stop or two somewhere along the line, maybe even the odd comma. Otherwise you come across as someone as bright as a 10 watt bulb whos a bit slow and backwards. Im not saying thats what you are , but you do give off that vibe in your postings.
Just something for you to chew over
good i am so glad i haven’t upset you, as i would hate to offend anyone.
Carryfast:
While Marx was a bit more academically brighter than I’ll ever be.
Shouldn’t that win some kind of TNUK understatement of the year award
We are still trawling through all of TNUK to see why it wouldn’t take the all time award!
That is going to need a category all on it’s own:-
“The TNUK so bleedin’ obvious it doesn’t need saying but I’m going to say it anyway to satisfy my own narcissistic craving using more words than is necessary just to show how intellectually gifted I am award.”
Carryfast:
While Marx was a bit more academically brighter than I’ll ever be.
Shouldn’t that win some kind of TNUK understatement of the year award
We are still trawling through all of TNUK to see why it wouldn’t take the all time award!
That is going to need a category all on it’s own:-
“The TNUK so bleedin’ obvious it doesn’t need saying but I’m going to say it anyway to satisfy my own narcissistic craving using more words than is necessary just to show how intellectually gifted I am award.”
well there is one thing for sure i know i wouldn’t win the award for spelling or grammar or even big bloody words
how about a moaning old ■■■■ award ? i am sure there would be a real contest of true talent on this site ?
desypete:
dont qoute me on it and i dont want posts flying up from 10 years hence, but i am sure from your posting you was calling people like me who voted out as racist just because i want to put my own people first ? i dont see that as racist but nationalism and i would expect the french or other nations who would follow the uks lead to do and feel the same way as me if indeed they vote out or get a chance to
the eu is crap, and the free movement of people is totaly wrong and again i stress that is not racist its just common sense, if more and more come here there is less and less for our own kids or grand kids
it might be a very selfish view i have but i see it as nationalist without all the bnp rubbish that brands being a nationalist as Nazis
Thing is desy, its not your actual opinion that is the problem, its the way you talk about it. This post here is (vaguely) sensible but some of your other ones which have phrases like “spot the white face” and “kick the buggers out” are what get you branded and what the left wingers pick up on. Those kind of phrases do more harm than good and are used to tar anyone who dares to speak out against mass migration as one in the same.
Theres nothnig wrong with wanting to put your own people from your own country first. Selfish? Maybe but that makes me selfish too as I think the same. Like you, I also want a points system and a “prove you are of worth the country before you come here” way rather than a “come here and we will pay you benefits and home you” way of operating. I also dont agree with £27 billion of foreign aid to some far flung third world country when I am getting told austerity in the UK is the only way forward.
We think the same but you just take it too far in the things you say and thats why you personally get branded as racist but evilbeezle doesn’t. Unfair? Maybe. But its the way things are unfortunately. Correct me if im wrong, but you’ve never said immigration doesnt bother you, just stop them all coming here.Even you’re way of talking about the points system is almost like you resent that as well. I know it ■■■■■■ you off, it does to me as well, but if you tone down your wordings, the word racist wont get banded about so much and we might start getting somewhere
Wiretwister:
That is going to need a category all on it’s own:-
“The TNUK so bleedin’ obvious it doesn’t need saying but I’m going to say it anyway to satisfy my own narcissistic craving using more words than is necessary just to show how intellectually gifted I am award.”
well there is one thing for sure i know i wouldn’t win the award for spelling or grammar or even big bloody words
how about a moaning old ■■■■ award ? i am sure there would be a real contest of true talent on this site ?
I have been known to moan, have more years lived than left to live and a problem with flatulence so looks like you and I are both on that list.
Wiretwister:
“The TNUK so bleedin’ obvious it doesn’t need saying but I’m going to say it anyway to satisfy my own narcissistic craving using more words than is necessary just to show how intellectually gifted I am award.”
As I said the idea of not being able to understand the irony of Marx’s academic abilities v his political naivety and stupidity and illiteracy is often a good sign of a zb Marxist.
The difference between now as opposed to previous years being that whereas the zb wits were rightly viewed as a subversive destabilising threat to western interests they are now viewed as good government material.Probably in keeping with the new ‘trading’ relationship with China.
desypete:
dont qoute me on it and i dont want posts flying up from 10 years hence, but i am sure from your posting you was calling people like me who voted out as racist just because i want to put my own people first ? i dont see that as racist but nationalism and i would expect the french or other nations who would follow the uks lead to do and feel the same way as me if indeed they vote out or get a chance to
the eu is crap, and the free movement of people is totaly wrong and again i stress that is not racist its just common sense, if more and more come here there is less and less for our own kids or grand kids
it might be a very selfish view i have but i see it as nationalist without all the bnp rubbish that brands being a nationalist as Nazis
Don’t worry Pete, I won’t be dragging up posts from 10 years ago, as you’ve only been here 3!
While I may, or may not have suspicions about you possibly being a racist, I don’t believe I have called you one. I’ve no issue or disagreement with the statement above, in fact I agree with it! However I believe from what you have said in the past that your views may well go a bit further than this… It’s not good (or helpful) to post about your glee over the possibility of EU migrants feeling like they are not welcome in the country, just as you did with your comment about not letting the door hit them in the arse on the way out.
1 Do ‘you’ agree that the vote should stand or be reversed by the Europhile parliamentary majority.
2 Do ‘you’ believe that article 50 should have been invoked the morning after the result.If not why not.
3.Do ‘you’ believe that there is no reason for the effectively economic sanctions being imposed on us at this time by the bankers.
4 Do ‘you’ think we should be an independent Nation and rejoin EFTA not a member of the EU Federation.Or vice versa.
Bearing in mind this isn’t a case of either side ‘respecting’ the other’s position.It’s a simple clear choice between one or the other.
1 - It should stand
2 - Yes, it should have been. I thought it would have been
3 - I think there probably is a reason due to financial and economic uncertainty surrounding us at the moment. Rightly or wrongly however, I have no idea
4 - Dont know enough about the difference to have an opinion. I probably wont have a say in the matter so im not fussed one way or the other really. I just want the UK to be able to do deals with whomever it likes, whenever it likes and at what ever terms is best without being told what laws we can and cant impliment and be independent in its true sense. Whatever one that makes me, go with that
Its ALWAYS been about respecting other peoples position. You imply im some sort of euro lover simply because I state (correctly) its hypocritical of you to state its ok for you to moan if the vote goes one way but not for others if it goes your way and that everyone has a right to think leaving was a bad move, even if it turns out it was the right one. I voted leave because I think it was the best move but no matter how much you think it, YOU DONT KNOW for certain. No one does yet. That doesnt make me a eurolover, it makes me a realist. I hope it was the right move but only time will tell. Thats not an opinion. That’s fact
desypete:
dont qoute me on it and i dont want posts flying up from 10 years hence, but i am sure from your posting you was calling people like me who voted out as racist just because i want to put my own people first ? i dont see that as racist but nationalism and i would expect the french or other nations who would follow the uks lead to do and feel the same way as me if indeed they vote out or get a chance to
the eu is crap, and the free movement of people is totaly wrong and again i stress that is not racist its just common sense, if more and more come here there is less and less for our own kids or grand kids
it might be a very selfish view i have but i see it as nationalist without all the bnp rubbish that brands being a nationalist as Nazis
Don’t worry Pete, I won’t be dragging up posts from 10 years ago, as you’ve only been here 3!
While I may, or may not have suspicions about you possibly being a racist, I don’t believe I have called you one. I’ve no issue or disagreement with the statement above, in fact I agree with it! However I believe from what you have said in the past that your views may well go a bit further than this… It’s not good (or helpful) to post about your glee over the possibility of EU migrants feeling like they are not welcome in the country, just as you did with your comment about not letting the door hit them in the arse on the way out.
To be fair it might help the immigrant communities’ case that they supposedly want to assimilate,or at least just settle among their own in a superior environment to the one they left behind.By not wanting to increase their demographic by supporting ever more immigration and not having an agenda of putting ‘their own’ into positions of political power,over the indigenous demographic.
No surprise that doesn’t fit the Socialist agenda.
1 Do ‘you’ agree that the vote should stand or be reversed by the Europhile parliamentary majority.
2 Do ‘you’ believe that article 50 should have been invoked the morning after the result.If not why not.
3.Do ‘you’ believe that there is no reason for the effectively economic sanctions being imposed on us at this time by the bankers.
4 Do ‘you’ think we should be an independent Nation and rejoin EFTA not a member of the EU Federation.Or vice versa.
Bearing in mind this isn’t a case of either side ‘respecting’ the other’s position.It’s a simple clear choice between one or the other.
1 - It should stand
2 - Yes, it should have been. I thought it would have been
3 - I think there probably is a reason due to financial and economic uncertainty surrounding us at the moment. Rightly or wrongly however, I have no idea
4 - Dont know enough about the difference to have an opinion. I probably wont have a say in the matter so im not fussed one way or the other really. I just want the UK to be able to do deals with whomever it likes, whenever it likes and at what ever terms is best without being told what laws we can and cant impliment and be independent in its true sense. Whatever one that makes me, go with that
Its ALWAYS been about respecting other peoples position. You imply im some sort of euro lover simply because I state (correctly) its hypocritical of you to state its ok for you to moan if the vote goes one way but not for others if it goes your way and that everyone has a right to think leaving was a bad move, even if it turns out it was the right one. I voted leave because I think it was the best move but no matter how much you think it, YOU DONT KNOW for certain. No one does yet. That doesnt make me a eurolover, it makes me a realist. I hope it was the right move but only time will tell. Thats not an opinion. That’s fact
You want the country to remain independent and sovereign over its own destiny not a state of a USE. ?.
In which case how can you possibly have the contradictory idea that you also don’t know if you want it to be a state of a Federal European system or not.
As for believing in the idea that no one has the right to vote the country out of ( independent ) existence.See 1.
Bearing in mind the alternative of condemning future generations to a war of secession regards 1 and 2 why wouldn’t you prefer to apply the double standard of 3 to avoid it.
Carryfast:
2 Do ‘you’ believe that article 50 should have been invoked the morning after the result.If not why not.
First off do you realise how much deleting I had to do in order to produce this snippet. My finger hasn’t seen this much action since I played a weird game of lucky dip at gay pride.
Anyway if I may give my opinion on this and I must say it’s just my opinion, doesn’t change the world or how things will pan out.
To trigger article 50 is bad, very bad from a negotiating point of view.
One does not weaken their position from the start.
The UK negotiating team will be working on a way to get out faster than the 2 year deadline article 50 commences, not to mention the faff it involves if other EU members draft our withdrawal for us.
Probably looking at a twist on the Canadian treaty that’s still in the pipeline to sort out a faster withdrawal than my aforementioned finger after its lucky dip experience.
Carryfast:
2 Do ‘you’ believe that article 50 should have been invoked the morning after the result.If not why not.
First off do you realise how much deleting I had to do in order to produce this snippet. My finger hasn’t seen this much action since I played a weird game of lucky dip at gay pride.
Anyway if I may give my opinion on this and I must say it’s just my opinion, doesn’t change the world or how things will pan out.
To trigger article 50 is bad, very bad from a negotiating point of view.
One does not weaken their position from the start.
The UK negotiating team will be working on a way to get out faster than the 2 year deadline article 50 commences, not to mention the faff it involves if other EU members draft our withdrawal for us.
Probably looking at a twist on the Canadian treaty that’s still in the pipeline to sort out a faster withdrawal than my aforementioned finger after its lucky dip experience.
Are you saying that invoking article 50 isn’t a compulsory obligation under the Lisbon Treaty before any attempt can be made to start the secession process ?.
What connection could there be between anything involving Canada v the secession of an EU member state.
Carryfast, in post 966 you refer to yourself as a “real Labour supporter” yet seem to forget that the Labour party pre Blair was founded by Keir Hardie who was a socialist! Much revered and one of the best political thinkers and operators this country has seen.
OK New Labour are as socialist as a champagne breakfast but the real party wanted a better life for all. Compare our wages and working conditions to those Hardie had as a miner and it’s night and day. If the mine and iron masters of those times had their way we’d still be virtual slaves worn out with work by our 40’s. What we have now was won through the efforts of generations of SOCIALISTS, fair minded people who wanted a decent life.
I’m sick of your generalising that anything moderately left, or socialist in general parlance, is in some way communist. The obsessive hatred and the vitriol you spit toward any ideology not absolutely aligned with your own spoil what could otherwise be the occasional fair point. Mr Hardie must be turning in his grave at the at your idea of “real Labour”.
Munchkin:
Carryfast, in post 966 you refer to yourself as a “real Labour supporter” yet seem to forget that the Labour party pre Blair was founded by Keir Hardie who was a socialist! Much revered and one of the best political thinkers and operators this country has seen.
OK New Labour are as socialist as a champagne breakfast but the real party wanted a better life for all. Compare our wages and working conditions to those Hardie had as a miner and it’s night and day. If the mine and iron masters of those times had their way we’d still be virtual slaves worn out with work by our 40’s. What we have now was won through the efforts of generations of SOCIALISTS, fair minded people who wanted a decent life.
I’m sick of your generalising that anything moderately left, or socialist in general parlance, is in some way communist. The obsessive hatred and the vitriol you spit toward any ideology not absolutely aligned with your own spoil what could otherwise be the occasional fair point. Mr Hardie must be turning in his grave at the at your idea of “real Labour”.
My idea of ‘real’ Labour is the point in time when Shore and Heffer both suddenly changed to a Nationalist stance admittedly without them even realising it themselves.Unlike the Socialist zb’s like Wilson and Callaghan who did and sidelined them accordingly.That ended well in 1979 with that Labour Europhile zb having to hand over to an even bigger Tory one.
Carryfast:
2 Do ‘you’ believe that article 50 should have been invoked the morning after the result.If not why not.
First off do you realise how much deleting I had to do in order to produce this snippet. My finger hasn’t seen this much action since I played a weird game of lucky dip at gay pride.
Anyway if I may give my opinion on this and I must say it’s just my opinion, doesn’t change the world or how things will pan out.
To trigger article 50 is bad, very bad from a negotiating point of view.
One does not weaken their position from the start.
The UK negotiating team will be working on a way to get out faster than the 2 year deadline article 50 commences, not to mention the faff it involves if other EU members draft our withdrawal for us.
Probably looking at a twist on the Canadian treaty that’s still in the pipeline to sort out a faster withdrawal than my aforementioned finger after its lucky dip experience.
+1 Spot on. A good poker player never shows his hand, or you come away with less than you could have won
Starting a post with your favourite 3 words like this is why you get flack.
I can overlook your logic of in order to be right everyone else has to be wrong but chillax we are in the speculation zone.
I trust you have followed my advice earlier in the thread and looked into article 50 and how not triggering it may lead to a treaty breach or two.
Also consider how of all the options out there the Canadian one looks doable albeit with some tweaks.
Cleverer folks than us are looking into these models as we speak.
Carryfast:
2 Do ‘you’ believe that article 50 should have been invoked the morning after the result.If not why not.
First off do you realise how much deleting I had to do in order to produce this snippet. My finger hasn’t seen this much action since I played a weird game of lucky dip at gay pride.
Anyway if I may give my opinion on this and I must say it’s just my opinion, doesn’t change the world or how things will pan out.
To trigger article 50 is bad, very bad from a negotiating point of view.
One does not weaken their position from the start.
When having a mass debate it is always encouraging when others join in.
They are currently saying they will refuse to start any negotiations until 50 is invoked for that exact reason. If only CF was on our crack team of negotiators we could be out by now, with nothing to show for it.
Must admit Farage’s speech was very entertaining. The bit when he said none of you have ever had a real job. Ha. Or we want to be friends, very good friends you just need to be sensible about it. Ha. He has done a good job of smoothing the path for future deals hasn’t he.
