The-Snowman:
How do you know they are stupid,naive and indoctrinated? Have you asked them?
Ill assume the answers no then. That you decide it simply because they dare to think differently to you
Carryfast:
On that note you can take your Socialist Federalist pro EU bs and shove it. 
Show me exactly where I have ever said im pro EU.
How you draw the conclusion that respecting other peoples opinions and their right to think differently somehow translates as pro EU is a mystery.
Carryfast:
As for the cliff.Leave it out.A simple change in trading relationship,from a position of deficit strength and secession from the EU treaties to be replaced with EFTA membership.
In your opinion.
It might be that easy, it might not. Only time will tell, just as it will tell if leaving was the right move or not. Its not as black and white as you think
BTW, dont think I havnt noticed you changing the subject as usual
The-Snowman:
Ill assume the answers no then. That you decide it simply because they dare to think differently to you
Carryfast:
On that note you can take your Socialist Federalist pro EU bs and shove it.
Show me exactly where I have ever said im pro EU.
How you draw the conclusion that respecting other peoples opinions and their right to think differently somehow translates as pro EU is a mystery.
Carryfast:
As for the cliff.Leave it out.A simple change in trading relationship,from a position of deficit strength and secession from the EU treaties to be replaced with EFTA membership.
In your opinion.
It might be that easy, it might not. Only time will tell, just as it will tell if leaving was the right move or not. Its not as black and white as you think
BTW, dont think I havnt noticed you changing the subject as usual
Corbyn’s Socialist rabble aren’t naive indoctrinated Socialists.Yeah right.You believe that if you want to.
As I said it seemed easy enough taking us from a prosperous independent country and EFTA member into the EEC federal zb pile resulting in us having to go running to the IMF for a bail out within less than 5 years of joining and an economy that isn’t in exactly the best of health ever since.Not surprising with a massive EU trade deficit and being a net contributor to subsidise East Europe among other basket cases so that they can buy more German products.
As for where you stand who cares in this case it’s simply a matter of for the Nation.Or for for the EU federation.Your position seems clear enough in that regard.
scrotumscratcher:
Evil8Beezle:
How old do you think I am CF?
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well come on were waiting 
Which part of who cares I was referring to Corbyn’s Bolshevik rabble didn’t you understand.You know the ones who were saying they’ve been ‘robbed’ by the ‘older’ generation.
Carryfast:
Corbyn’s Socialist rabble aren’t naive indoctrinated Socialists.Yeah right.You believe that if you want to.
Stop putting words in peoples mouths. Where did I say they wer’nt? I dont know them so have no idea. Who mentioned him anyway? You implied it was every young voter who voted remain who was naive. Your blatent twisting of words and adding stuff in is getting tiresome. Stop making stuff up to suit your agenda
Carryfast:
As for where you stand who cares in this case it’s simply a matter of for the Nation.Or for for the EU federation.Your position seems clear enough in that regard.
Is it? Where have I ever said im pro EU? Theres a difference between respecting other peoples opinions and agreeing with them. Just because I respect their right to think leave is bat ■■■■ crazy does not mean I neccesserily agree with them.
So, where have I ever said im pro EU? Bearing in mind I voted leave, id be interested to see how you interpret my belief of everyone having the right to disagree with a pro euro stance. This is the trouble with twisting things to suit your agenda CF. Sooner or later, it all starts to unravel.
You’re changing subjects quicker than mastermind
Carryfast:
While Marx was a bit more academically brighter than I’ll ever be.
Shouldn’t that win some kind of TNUK understatement of the year award 
The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
Corbyn’s Socialist rabble aren’t naive indoctrinated Socialists.Yeah right.You believe that if you want to.
Stop putting words in peoples mouths. Where did I say they wer’nt? I dont know them so have no idea. Who mentioned him anyway? You implied it was every young voter who voted remain who was naive. Your blatent twisting of words and adding stuff in is getting tiresome. Stop making stuff up to suit your agenda
Carryfast:
As for where you stand who cares in this case it’s simply a matter of for the Nation.Or for for the EU federation.Your position seems clear enough in that regard.
Is it? Where have I ever said im pro EU? Theres a difference between respecting other peoples opinions and agreeing with them. Just because I respect their right to think leave is bat [zb] crazy does not mean I neccesserily agree with them.
So, where have I ever said im pro EU? Bearing in mind I voted leave, id be interested to see how you interpret my belief of everyone having the right to disagree with a pro euro stance. This is the trouble with twisting things to suit your agenda CF. Sooner or later, it all starts to unravel.
You’re changing subjects quicker than mastermind
Cut the bs.
1 Do ‘you’ agree that the vote should stand or be reversed by the Europhile parliamentary majority.
2 Do ‘you’ believe that article 50 should have been invoked the morning after the result.If not why not.
3.Do ‘you’ believe that there is no reason for the effectively economic sanctions being imposed on us at this time by the bankers.
4 Do ‘you’ think we should be an independent Nation and rejoin EFTA not a member of the EU Federation.Or vice versa.
Bearing in mind this isn’t a case of either side ‘respecting’ the other’s position.It’s a simple clear choice between one or the other.
The-Snowman:
Incidently, just to go off euro topic for a mo, am I being cynical in finding it strange that boredwivdrivin, immigrant and pimpdaddy disappear off the face of the forum and all of a sudden desypete and malcolmgbell reappear? Its almost like one computer failed so another was dug up that had other log ins on it.
Or maybe im just being paranoid. Its just BWD and desy are very similar in writing styles. Lower case i, posts devoid of full stops or commas and a sort of ranting style that makes you imagine an overweight,balding guy sitting at a computer in his y fronts eating wotsits and furiously typing away to make up for the lack of women in his life
oh dear you seem to be a tad upset is it my turn now for you to go hunting for things in your twisted head ?
you need to have a lay down on a couch and talk to a specialist.
did you have a bad upbringing ?
was you a deserted child ?
something is fuelling your lack of self worth, it was found by a study that those who are known for keyboard warrior behaviour who stalk sites hunt through posts doing all levels of childlike behaviour is fuelling an obsession. they have very low self worth they do indeed end up working in low paid jobs as they dont believe in themselves,they can not better themselves, there the type of person who will go and get a cpc card for examle, even if they dont believe in it, but will do so as they are to scared of life so will settle for a low paid hgv job no matter what it pays just so long as its what there used to doing.
i should add its mostly class 2 drivers that have the less self worth but some class 1 guys can be just as bad
now i am not saying this is you but you certainly do show some of the flaws in your posting
try just being honest with people stop the masking or trying to show off like a peacock if you manage to find a word i spell wrong anyone would think you had found a naked women they way you have an ■■■■■■
i guess the other words to sum it up is very small minded or knobhead for short
have a good day and keep on hunting for things that are not there it will drive you crazy in the end
now back to the debate
Looooo:
Carryfast:
While Marx was a bit more academically brighter than I’ll ever be.
Shouldn’t that win some kind of TNUK understatement of the year award
We are still trawling through all of TNUK to see why it wouldn’t take the all time award! 
Looooo:
Carryfast:
While Marx was a bit more academically brighter than I’ll ever be.
Shouldn’t that win some kind of TNUK understatement of the year award
That obviously depends on whether anyone is a zb Marxist Socialist.IE bright in the sense of acedemically qualified but as thick as zb in the sense of economic and social reality and being on his side when push comes to shove as a result.
Evil8Beezle:
Love that speech from Nigel, just the right balance of smugness and gloating, as let’s face it, who could resist if they were in the same position! 
Interesting that he got a mixed reaction and I do agree that i don’t think we will be the last, we may just be the first of many…
for once i can agree with the guy in the Velcro skirt
that speech he made had me falling about, just imagine how good he must of felt with all those political correct loony s boos
but now what happens if france or italy or some other nation that has growing numbers of people who want out of eu also demand and get a referendum and do indeed vote out ? one question for you would be would you call all those people racists if indeed they follow the uk ?
Evil8Beezle:
Looooo:
Carryfast:
While Marx was a bit more academically brighter than I’ll ever be.
Shouldn’t that win some kind of TNUK understatement of the year award
We are still trawling through all of TNUK to see why it wouldn’t take the all time award!
As I said it takes a reformed Socialist to know how to flush the zb’s out of the WC where they live.
Evil8Beezle:
The-Snowman:
that makes you imagine an overweight,balding guy sitting at a computer in his y fronts eating wotsits and furiously typing away to make up for the lack of women in his life
No pal, that’s me! 
actually he got that description of me bang on i wonder if he knows me personally ?
desypete:
Evil8Beezle:
Love that speech from Nigel, just the right balance of smugness and gloating, as let’s face it, who could resist if they were in the same position! Interesting that he got a mixed reaction and I do agree that i don’t think we will be the last, we may just be the first of many…
for once i can agree with the guy in the Velcro skirt
that speech he made had me falling about, just imagine how good he must of felt with all those political correct loony s boos
but now what happens if france or italy or some other nation that has growing numbers of people who want out of eu also demand and get a referendum and do indeed vote out ? one question for you would be would you call all those people racists if indeed they follow the uk ?
Why would I call them racists Pete?
They are free to vote as they feel, and I cannot know or control their motivations on how they want to vote…
I voted out, and I don’t consider myself a racist!
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
Looooo:
Carryfast:
While Marx was a bit more academically brighter than I’ll ever be.
Shouldn’t that win some kind of TNUK understatement of the year award
We are still trawling through all of TNUK to see why it wouldn’t take the all time award!
As I said it takes a reformed Socialist to know how to flush the zb’s out of the WC where they live.
At what point did I become a reformed Socialist?
My opinion has not changed, your preconceptions on the other hand…
desypete:
that speech he made had me falling about, just imagine how good he must of felt with all those political correct loony s boos
but now what happens if france or italy or some other nation that has growing numbers of people who want out of eu also demand and get a referendum and do indeed vote out ? one question for you would be would you call all those people racists if indeed they follow the uk ?
There’s no reason to think that the Commies will react any differently in France and Italy to the possibility of Spinelli’s Soviet European project being smashed.The chances are a referendum result in favour of secession ain’t going to do it there just as here.Or for that matter Yugoslavia. 
Nah, dont flatter yourself desy. You dont upset me. You’re not clever enough at trolling to hide the fact that’s what you’re doing. A bit like boredwivdrivin. Just saying.
Theres nowt wrong with a spelling mistake or two. Everyone does it and no ones grammar is perfect. But you’d get taken a bit more serious if you at least chucked in a full stop or two somewhere along the line, maybe even the odd comma. Otherwise you come across as someone as bright as a 10 watt bulb whos a bit slow and backwards. Im not saying thats what you are , but you do give off that vibe in your postings.
Just something for you to chew over
Evil8Beezle:
Carryfast:
As I said it takes a reformed Socialist to know how to flush the zb’s out of the WC where they live.
At what point did I become a reformed Socialist?
My opinion has not changed, your preconceptions on the other hand…
Where did I refer to you being the reformed Socialist and why do you think I was referring specifically to you.Although it’s a bit strange why anyone who isn’t a Marxist wouldn’t understand the difference between Marx being academically bright but at the same time politically an absolute total zb wit bat zb crazy moron.Just like Altiero Spinelli was. 
Evil8Beezle:
desypete:
Evil8Beezle:
Love that speech from Nigel, just the right balance of smugness and gloating, as let’s face it, who could resist if they were in the same position! Interesting that he got a mixed reaction and I do agree that i don’t think we will be the last, we may just be the first of many…
for once i can agree with the guy in the Velcro skirt
that speech he made had me falling about, just imagine how good he must of felt with all those political correct loony s boos
but now what happens if france or italy or some other nation that has growing numbers of people who want out of eu also demand and get a referendum and do indeed vote out ? one question for you would be would you call all those people racists if indeed they follow the uk ?
Why would I call them racists Pete?
They are free to vote as they feel, and I cannot know or control their motivations on how they want to vote…
I voted out, and I don’t consider myself a racist!
dont qoute me on it and i dont want posts flying up from 10 years hence, but i am sure from your posting you was calling people like me who voted out as racist just because i want to put my own people first ? i dont see that as racist but nationalism and i would expect the french or other nations who would follow the uks lead to do and feel the same way as me if indeed they vote out or get a chance to
the eu is crap, and the free movement of people is totaly wrong and again i stress that is not racist its just common sense, if more and more come here there is less and less for our own kids or grand kids
it might be a very selfish view i have but i see it as nationalist without all the bnp rubbish that brands being a nationalist as Nazis