…and Carryfast`s opponent… in the blue corner…“Basher” Billy Hunt!! Ding! Ding! 
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Its funny how the main drive engine behind EE countries membership was the GB. You let to many countries hahaha who are YOU to say who to be let in or left out of a union of number states? Some say Britain will suffer massive economic losses, some speculate UK is split, by some Scotland will leave to enter EU, some say everything will be fine, even better.
Continental EU is sick and tired of the British BS, do as you want and stop blaming everyone else. Start deporting Italians, Germans and Spanish from London if you have the guts, not only Eastern European migrants, because all of the above are EU citizens.
Nevertheless clear you head and make your mind of what you want, this referendum talk and re negotiations of EU principles is beyond stupid.
Even your PM Cameron when asked: say what are you demand from EU? He is like :I’m not saying/writing my demands coz they might be leaked to the press. How the hell to deal with people like David Cameron. You want something but wont say officially in writing what it is.
The Europeans are increasingly exasperated with the British negotiating tactics and their refusal to come clean on what Downing Street wants. “It’s absurd,” said one official.
Another senior source said: “To have negotiations, we need to have a starting point.
“To kickstart the political process, we need some trigger from the UK side. The best way is to get a paper which says that’s what we want to discuss. The future of this process will depend on whether it is triggered by the UK. We need to have a paper. To have a negotiation, you need to know that the negotiations are about. You need a proposal. You can’t play a guessing game.”I think you’re making the mistake of thinking that the out side of the argument is actually interested in what Cameron does or any of his bs ‘renegotiations’.In which case it is more a case of we never should have joined it being that the whole basis of our membership was/is an illegal transfer of national sovereignty to a Federal government structure.
As for Cameron he can’t answer the question as to what his demands are because in reality he doesn’t have any demands.He is just another lying snivelling Federalist like Heath and Thatcher who is using stalling tactics in the hope that the out side will just give up.On that note I’d doubt if he will even call any so called ‘referendum’ if it looks remotely like he’ll lose it.While UKIP has fallen into the trap of going along with the sham when it should be concentrating on the legality ( illegality ) of our membership from day 1.
As for the SNP they are just a bunch of Socialists masquerading as Nationalists for their own ends.The contradiction between pro EU and anti UK Union being part of that.
All of this politicians are/were elected by the British electorate, some of them twice. So how come Brits don’t like where their politicians are taking the country but keep electing the very same politicians? Cameron second term is good example of this.
The monthly movement between Brussels and Strasburg wastes millions every year and has done for the duration of the joint seats of legislation.
There is no necessity for these dual seats of legislature. The reason they do it is French hubris dictated that they wanted it. The other countries ‘negotiated’ a compromise, costing every one of us tax payers (not much in the case of Facebook et al).
The EU legislature is already a duplication of our own UK parliament.
What do we need a UK legislature for, or the EU legislature for, if the other one is carrying out it’s duties fully?
The UK sends gbp 360 million every week to the EU.
We in the UK are not represented democratically by the MEP’s from the rest of Europe. We do not vote them in. The majority of MEP’s do not work for the best interests of the UK. All of the UK MP’s work in the best interests of the UK (or at least they say they do) We in the UK vote in all of our MP’s representing the UK (although not those representing us in the upper house - that is another kettle of worms)
Has the lesson of the driver cpc not shown us that the tripe inflicted upon us from Brussels / Strasburg bureaucrats is a complete waste of time and immense amounts of money? Add your own personal favourites the EU has inflicted upon us over the years; straight bananas, sausages, the human rights legislation preventing the UK from deporting convicted terrorists, wtd, poa etc.
The ‘stay in’ protagonists will have it that trade would suffer. This is a smokescreen and is rubbish. We could revert to the former system of no trade barriers without the immense cost of membership.
The only vote the UK has ever had was in 1973 (or thereabouts) when we voted yes to joining the Common Market. The United States of Europe and the EU legislature has been steamrollered in without reference to any voters in Europe.
I could go on.
SD
I was until recently for staying in the EU, But have changed my mind we should leave the EU if that is the only way to take back control of our borders ,But we should oppose Cameron on the revocation of the human rights act , whilst it does need some modification things like us being able to question authority and have free speech and retain our privacy should remain ,
so, Cameron has promised a referendum in 2017…
what happens after that when , hopefully, we have a huge OUT vote. . ?
how soon before we actually get out ?
will our glorious politicians fanny about for many more years to come ■■
Trukkertone:
so, Cameron has promised a referendum in 2017…
what happens after that when , hopefully, we have a huge OUT vote. . ?
how soon before we actually get out ?
will our glorious politicians fanny about for many more years to come ■■
Most probably ,but i would imagine that they would have to exist before 2020 when they hopefully will no longer be in office,
Trukkertone:
so, Cameron has promised a referendum in 2017…
what happens after that when , hopefully, we have a huge OUT vote. . ?
how soon before we actually get out ?
will our glorious politicians fanny about for many more years to come ■■
Its going to take up to 2/two/ years to completely leave EU.
Very interesting read from last year.
you’ll never stop the gravy train
Back to GB domestic rules and 60 mph
Martin:
Stay in, but back to what we voted for in the 70’s, a Free Trade area and not a federal state like we have now.
We need to go back to making our own laws and not being ruled by some faceless unelected minority!
+1 but it will never happen,thats why im for out.
regards dave.
Steve-o:
Back to GB domestic rules and 60 mph
well said that man…
If one listens to the media - they have been banging on about how “Support for the “stay in” campaign is strong among the young people”.
Wot a load of ■■■■■■■■ THAT is. Young people either don’t bother to vote at all, vote against their parents just to be contrary, or vote for what’s best for them - an argument I’ve yet to hear as far as the “Stay in the EU” is concerned.
I know it’s a big ask here - but let’s hear some replies from drivers in the 18-30 age group with what THEY want to do on this referendum - and why.
As a general rule of thumb for the whole country, rich or poor, north or south, Tory or Labour voter back in May - It’s Employers who want to stay in and employees that want OUT.
A number of staff are going to let themselves be “Bullied” into voting “stay in” when their factory owner tells them “I’m closing down and moving abroad with an “out” vote”.
What do SELF EMPLOYED sole trader people think - who are neither employing people themselves, nor strictly employed by others?
Only a section of the reasons for voting OUT are about immigration.
Wouldn’t it be nice, for example, if we could NOT give the EU billions each year, and actually build some new schools & hospitals - and expand the police, tax collection, emergency services, and public works projects instead? THAT has got bugger-all to do with “keeping or getting rid of immigrants” eh? 
Winseer:
If one listens to the media - they have been banging on about how “Support for the “stay in” campaign is strong among the young people”.Wot a load of ■■■■■■■■ THAT is. Young people either don’t bother to vote at all, vote against their parents just to be contrary, or vote for what’s best for them - an argument I’ve yet to hear as far as the “Stay in the EU” is concerned.
I know it’s a big ask here - but let’s hear some replies from drivers in the 18-30 age group with what THEY want to do on this referendum - and why.
As a general rule of thumb for the whole country, rich or poor, north or south, Tory or Labour voter back in May - It’s Employers who want to stay in and employees that want OUT.
A number of staff are going to let themselves be “Bullied” into voting “stay in” when their factory owner tells them “I’m closing down and moving abroad with an “out” vote”.
excellently…put…theyll b some scare mongering going on…wiv the vote to stay in campaigh…what actually as the eu done for the british people …in my eyes sweet fanny foooooook all apart from take take take…i dont care if about europe even though i drive 90 % ov the time there …i care about my country and what as happened to it…over ran by ■■■■■■■■ and foooooking do gooders …we only joined the ( eec ) …because of the suez crisis in the 1st placeWhat do SELF EMPLOYED sole trader people think - who are neither employing people themselves, nor strictly employed by others?
Only a section of the reasons for voting OUT are about immigration.Wouldn’t it be nice, for example, if we could NOT give the EU billions each year, and actually build some new schools & hospitals - and expand the police, tax collection, emergency services, and public works projects instead? THAT has got bugger-all to do with “keeping or getting rid of immigrants” eh?
Dolph:
Chainsaw, you are very mistaken to give countries like Norway and the others as example. Yes they are fine, but they have to comply with EU rules in order to trade with the union. All principles like free movement of people and capital are mandatory for them as well and they have no say in EU policy. If UK is out of EU in order to trade has to oblige with the EU principles and will not be able to shape its policy.
The main goal of reducing EU migrants in UK will not be achieved by leaving the union.
That’s because EFTA isn’t in the position of strength that it would be with us back in it.On that note are you seriously suggesting that the EU would be up for a trade war with it if we all tell them to stuff their rules and regulations.
Dolph:
Carryfast:
I think you’re making the mistake of thinking that the out side of the argument is actually interested in what Cameron does or any of his bs ‘renegotiations’.In which case it is more a case of we never should have joined it being that the whole basis of our membership was/is an illegal transfer of national sovereignty to a Federal government structure.As for Cameron he can’t answer the question as to what his demands are because in reality he doesn’t have any demands.He is just another lying snivelling Federalist like Heath and Thatcher who is using stalling tactics in the hope that the out side will just give up.On that note I’d doubt if he will even call any so called ‘referendum’ if it looks remotely like he’ll lose it.While UKIP has fallen into the trap of going along with the sham when it should be concentrating on the legality ( illegality ) of our membership from day 1.
As for the SNP they are just a bunch of Socialists masquerading as Nationalists for their own ends.The contradiction between pro EU and anti UK Union being part of that.
All of this politicians are/were elected by the British electorate, some of them twice. So how come Brits don’t like where their politicians are taking the country but keep electing the very same politicians? Cameron second term is good example of this.
Enoch Powell was an ‘elected politician’ so was Benn and Shore just like Wilson,Heath and Thatcher was.Added to which is our electoral system which gives UKIP one seat for 4 million votes.In which case it’s fair to say that Farage is the modern day version of at least Powell.Although he needs to toughen up his stance on immigration in that regard.IE unelected on a similar basis that the opposition to Soviet Rule in Eastern Europe was ‘unelected’.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Chainsaw, you are very mistaken to give countries like Norway and the others as example. Yes they are fine, but they have to comply with EU rules in order to trade with the union. All principles like free movement of people and capital are mandatory for them as well and they have no say in EU policy. If UK is out of EU in order to trade has to oblige with the EU principles and will not be able to shape its policy.
The main goal of reducing EU migrants in UK will not be achieved by leaving the union.That’s because EFTA isn’t in the position of strength that it would be with us back in it.On that note are you seriously suggesting that the EU would be up for a trade war with it if we all tell them to stuff their rules and regulations.
Oh you think you can screw the whole EU project - first you insisted of accepting Eastern European countries into EU, even though we were no where near ready, second you refuse to accept the euro, then you refuse to be members of Schengen and you think you will get away with it? UK is always opposite of the Continent and kissing US azz, especially when comes to wars(huge spending), even UK military pilots are involved in bombing Syria under US command. I don’t exclude trade war if UK leaves the EU and ■■■■■■ of all of the rest EU members.
Well in Brexit employers(like Honda) will leave UK for mainland EU, investor will leave or not go to UK etc. 52% of UK export(400 bn pounds) is to EU, put 20% import tax to this and UK economy will suffer massive blow. You said you will not buy BMW and VW, then don’t the Germans will export them to whoever wants them.
Deutsche bank said earlier this year in Brexit they will shut down UK office - 9000 employees out of work, and thats just one business. How do you think this will be accepted into British society? 3 million British jobs are directly linked to EU, what will happen with all the treaties sign thru the years, what about families of mixed marriages, what about UK nationals in EU, or EU nationals in UK? There is so many questions to be answered.
Dolph:
Chainsaw, you are very mistaken to give countries like Norway and the others as example. Yes they are fine, but they have to comply with EU rules in order to trade with the union. All principles like free movement of people and capital are mandatory for them as well and they have no say in EU policy. If UK is out of EU in order to trade has to oblige with the EU principles and will not be able to shape its policy.
The main goal of reducing EU migrants in UK will not be achieved by leaving the union.
Sorry Dolph but Norway are the 6th richest country GDP/per capita because they invested their North Sea oil money rather than waste it on benefits system and war, which is the whole reason our country is being flooded with migrants now!!!
My point was Europe is a tiny piece of the world and there are a lot more countries to trade with!
There will be no need to change the patterns of countries with whom we trade.
It is a smokescreen
We traded with all European countries prior to membership. We traded with all European countries prior to break down of trade and non-trade barriers.
We re-negotiate trading terms immediately, the same as we trade with them now. No trade or non=trade barriers.
Everything stays the same (in terms of trade)
What changes is we save all the gravy train and membership money, and regain our own independent legislature.
SD
CHAINSAW:
Dolph:
Chainsaw, you are very mistaken to give countries like Norway and the others as example. Yes they are fine, but they have to comply with EU rules in order to trade with the union. All principles like free movement of people and capital are mandatory for them as well and they have no say in EU policy. If UK is out of EU in order to trade has to oblige with the EU principles and will not be able to shape its policy.
The main goal of reducing EU migrants in UK will not be achieved by leaving the union.Sorry Dolph but Norway are the 6th richest country GDP/per capita because they invested their North Sea oil money rather than waste it on benefits system and war, which is the whole reason our country is being flooded with migrants now!!!
My point was Europe is a tiny piece of the world and there are a lot more countries to trade with!
So its EU fault that UK waste is money on benefit system and wars■■?
Everyone in EU can go and work in Norway, but not so many people know the language and like the cold weather.
EU nationals go to UK to work not for benefits, the main reason is strong pound and English language. Do you know that I speak English since 8th grade, started learning it in 5th, it was mandatory in BG schools to choose from several western languages.
Dolph:
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Chainsaw, you are very mistaken to give countries like Norway and the others as example. Yes they are fine, but they have to comply with EU rules in order to trade with the union. All principles like free movement of people and capital are mandatory for them as well and they have no say in EU policy. If UK is out of EU in order to trade has to oblige with the EU principles and will not be able to shape its policy.
The main goal of reducing EU migrants in UK will not be achieved by leaving the union.That’s because EFTA isn’t in the position of strength that it would be with us back in it.On that note are you seriously suggesting that the EU would be up for a trade war with it if we all tell them to stuff their rules and regulations.
Oh you think you can screw the whole EU project - first you insisted of accepting Eastern European countries into EU, even though we were no where near ready, second you refuse to accept the euro, then you refuse to be members of Schengen and you think you will get away with it? UK is always opposite of the Continent and kissing US azz, especially when comes to wars(huge spending), even UK military pilots are involved in bombing Syria under US command. I don’t exclude trade war if UK leaves the EU and ■■■■■■ of all of the rest EU members.
Well in Brexit employers(like Honda) will leave UK for mainland EU, investor will leave or not go to UK etc. 52% of UK export(400 bn pounds) is to EU, put 20% import tax to this and UK economy will suffer massive blow. You said you will not buy BMW and VW, then don’t the Germans will export them to whoever wants them.
Deutsche bank said earlier this year in Brexit they will shut down UK office - 9000 employees out of work, and thats just one business. How do you think this will be accepted into British society? 3 million British jobs are directly linked to EU, what will happen with all the treaties sign thru the years, what about families of mixed marriages, what about UK nationals in EU, or EU nationals in UK? There is so many questions to be answered.
What you’re describing is the EU throwing its toys out of the pram because we want out.As I said do you really think that the EU would win a trade war with us on that basis.The idea of using Honda etc as leverage being just part of that.IE it doesn’t matter because at the end of the day the domestic market is worth more than our EU export markets.Which is why we’ve been in trade deficit with the zb place since we joined unlike the trade surplus we had before.