The problem is Dolph that we the British signed up for the common market. We were sold the idea of a free market trading area between fellow members where the only thing common would be the ability of member nations to trade amongst each other without beurocratic hindrance. We weren’t sold the reality of a superstate controlled by unelected officials with free reign to tamper with and overturn our laws, rules, way of life and right to self determination.
You need to understand the phsyche of the British my friend, we are a small, fiercely independent island nation who since 1066 have not felt the heel of a foreign dictator upon our shores, whereas (with absolutely no offence intended) the majority of Eastern Europe has in the intervening 1000 years been passed between one warring faction to the next.
We like the status quo here (not the band of course), we like the idea of trading with other nations ( wasn’t it Napoleon who branded us a nation of shopkeepers?), we like the idea of foreign holidays, for Gods sake we even like the Eurovision Song Contest! What we don’t like is outside interference from any source at all.
You are probably correct when you say that the EU would be better off without Britain because I absolutely guarantee that you can bet your last Euro that we (the British) consider overwhelmingly that we would be far better off without the EU.
Juddian:
compared with the pansies who comprise much of the British working contingent who can’t cope if they broke a finger nail you can see why these lads are so popular with employers, they havea work ethic helped no end by their own countries not tolerating bone idle young people who only want an easy life with free money.
Britain does not need the EU, it was a powerhouse of real home grown and home owned industry before and can be again, though it going to take hard work to put it back again, whether the modern Brit is up to a bit of graft remains to be seen.
It’s very easy to condemn the real wealth creators like the factory workers and miners from the relatively comfortable environment of being a driver.On that note I wouldn’t consider demands for a decent living wage for a 32 hour 4 day working week and three shift systems as not being up to ‘a bit of graft’.
As for the stereotype of EE work ethic v Brit fine.Then they’ll have no problem in turning their own countries into a place they wouldn’t dream of wanting to leave.
Dolph:
I just want to be treated equal, not like some illegal muslim from the middle east that is going to turn UK into small Afghanistan or whatever country they are from…
Why don’t you think that you can be ‘equal’ under a the conventional national friends with fences system in which it’s your responsibility to make your own country a place worth living in ?.As opposed to a United States of Europe governed by people like Juncker and Merkel.
I see no problem in that, we have lived with big fences in EE and in the Balkans specifically. Heck I remember the time when we had internal green passport and external red passports…Is that what you want?Its up to you.
Not Merkel, but people like Sigmar Gabriel I tent to like.
I read British press for years and there is on and on anti EU scaremongering that the EE’s are coming and taking over UK, well I don’t agree with this, its total ■■■■■■■■. As ONS and DWP data shows. In the same time no word of western EU nationals(French, Spanish, Italians)living in UK, its like we are the worst of people in EE when all we want is equal treatment and respect. At least thats what I want and give to people.
Few weeks ago I left my office and work to help two Italians, they wanted to go to the Italian embassy, but got lost. Their English was “incredible”
Carryfast we want to control tourism, but we cant, it might sounds stupid to you, but British tourist are trashing our winter and summer resorts and we cant do anything about it. Our common customers from Scandinavia and Russia are almost gone.
juddian ,you say people have time off work with a broken finger i know people that have had a week off with a broken flask ,and the moaster says ''we even enjoy the eurovision song contest ‘’ omg we bloody don’t
Juddian:
Dolph i think you’re reading too much into this.
I argue with other members here, that this issue can be tackled by implementing few rules and law
Rising of minimum living wage, enforce immigration laws and deport illegals, make mandatory certificates for trades, minimum level of speaking/writing English etc.
Non EU citizens are more then 5 million in UK, twice more then all EU citizens living in UK, yet every time I read EU migrants this, EU migrants that.
Yes I know what you mean by people who settled there don’t want new comers its in people nature. There must be balance in Britain and its up to you to find it.
Im amazed how many muslims with no thigh’s to UK are allowed to stay there.
Dolph:
I just want to be treated equal, not like some illegal muslim from the middle east that is going to turn UK into small Afghanistan or whatever country they are from…
Why don’t you think that you can be ‘equal’ under a the conventional national friends with fences system in which it’s your responsibility to make your own country a place worth living in ?.As opposed to a United States of Europe governed by people like Juncker and Merkel.
I see no problem in that, we have lived with big fences in EE and in the Balkans specifically. Heck I remember the time when we had internal green passport and external red passports…Is that what you want?Its up to you.
Not Merkel, but people like Sigmar Gabriel I tent to like.
I read British press for years and there is on and on anti EU scaremongering that the EE’s are coming and taking over UK, well I don’t agree with this, its total ■■■■■■■■. As ONS and DWP data shows. In the same time no word of western EU nationals(French, Spanish, Italians)living in UK, its like we are the worst of people in EE when all we want is equal treatment and respect. At least thats what I want and give to people.
Few weeks ago I left my office and work to help two Italians, they wanted to go to the Italian embassy, but got lost. Their English was “incredible”
Carryfast we want to control tourism, but we cant, it might sounds stupid to you, but British tourist are trashing our winter and summer resorts and we cant do anything about it. Our common customers from Scandinavia and Russia are almost gone.
Here’s a clue I can still clearly remember European road trip holidays before we were in the EU but a member of EFTA just like Switzerland and before Schengen.It worked fine for us and everyone else.
Juddian:
Dolph i think you’re reading too much into this.
I argue with other members here, that this issue can be tackled by implementing few rules and law
Rising of minimum living wage, enforce immigration laws and deport illegals, make mandatory certificates for trades, minimum level of speaking/writing English etc.
Non EU citizens are more then 5 million in UK, twice more then all EU citizens living in UK, yet every time I read EU migrants this, EU migrants that.
Yes I know what you mean by people who settled there don’t want new comers its in people nature. There must be balance in Britain and its up to you to find it.
Im amazed how many muslims with no thigh’s to UK are allowed to stay there.
It’s a fair bet that only the Lab/Con faithful believe any of our immigration and immigrant population figures.All the signs are that they are already high enough to be distorting the labour market to a massive degree and arguably the voting demographic.With our grovelling snivelling pro immigration apologist PM already stating that he wants to see an Indian PM running the country probably because that’s what his Chinese masters have told him they want.On that note yes our non EU immigration problem massively outweighs our EU immigration one.
On that note, since 01.01.2015 in Bulgaria, trying to enter or leave 27 000 illegal immigrants were arrested, according to the Police secretary general.
Non of them is allow to leave for western EU, like they did in other countries, may be that’s why illegal are avoiding us. Most of them claiming to be from Syria and Iraq but after a check up its found that most are from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Some are granted refugee status, many are held in detention camps and deported.
Dolph:
after a check up its found that most are from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Some are granted refugee status, many are held in detention camps and deported.
The real question being exactly what was the mission in Afghanistan for and meant to achieve.Bearing in mind that there are numerous ways they can get in if one option is closed.
gazsa401:
I too think you’ve a very good use of the English language and my compliments to you too Dolph by no means am I anti European I love Europe and have travelled all over Europe including many great times to your country it’s the EU which I’m against
Yup. There’s nowt wrong with each individual country in the EU - even Germany. It’s the political organization known as the “EU” that has caused all the problems from the start.
You can’t make “The same” what Nature has made “Different”.
Bulgarian Foreign minister today after EU foreign ministers meeting said: “Bulgaria will not accept any more refugees by any quotas, even if EU wants this from us; we all have to put big effort of securing the external borders of EU and deport all economical migrant who are not granted asylum. And we all have to help other EU countries who have problems securing their border(he meant Greece)”.
I don’t like the guy but he talk some sense that I agree on.
the maoster:
I think that you Dolph are failing to grasp a basic fact. The basic fact is that your average Brit does not distinguish between an EU migrant and a non EU migrant, all they know is that we are full and want NO MORE migrants of whatever flavour. All the average Brit asks is that you understand that basic fact.
If THAT is the view of “The average Brit” then I suggest they are not the “Average Brit” but rather the contents of the nearest dolequeue.
I’ve got nothing against Eastern Europeans here to work.
I’ve got everything against some unemployed outside-EU toerag who’s hear to scrounge my taxes, insult my way of life, and kill me based on an argument he doesn’t even believe himself. Note “He” there. Letting the illegals in from outside the EU is all about letting BLOKES in which buggers up our balance of male to female as well. They might take some of our girls off the market - but home-grown infidels never get to marry THEIR women on the rare occasion an unattached one of them arrives in the UK…
Integration should be compusulary. I worry about what the Labour party is now becoming, thanks to an airhead at the top who can’t see a more dangerous type of “Trojan Horse Scandal” being played out within Labour’s grass roots itself now…
the maoster:
I think that you Dolph are failing to grasp a basic fact. The basic fact is that your average Brit does not distinguish between an EU migrant and a non EU migrant, all they know is that we are full and want NO MORE migrants of whatever flavour. All the average Brit asks is that you understand that basic fact.
If THAT is the view of “The average Brit” then I suggest they are not the “Average Brit” but rather the contents of the nearest dolequeue.
I’ve got nothing against Eastern Europeans here to work.
I’ve got everything against some unemployed outside-EU toerag who’s hear to scrounge my taxes, insult my way of life, and kill me based on an argument he doesn’t even believe himself. Note “He” there. Letting the illegals in from outside the EU is all about letting BLOKES in which buggers up our balance of male to female as well. They might take some of our girls off the market - but home-grown infidels never get to marry THEIR women on the rare occasion an unattached one of them arrives in the UK…
Integration should be compusulary. I worry about what the Labour party is now becoming, thanks to an airhead at the top who can’t see a more dangerous type of “Trojan Horse Scandal” being played out within Labour’s grass roots itself now…
Blimey where are you going with this line of thinking. We’ve already got an over supplied saturated labour market.East Euro economic migration is no different to non EU economic migration.The only winners being low wage employment/employers here and a perceived relative higher wage all based on even lower wage economy expectations of the immigrant workforce.On that note they are all here to add to the tax burden of NHS demand and in work benefits etc with the lose lose situation of lower wages therefore less tax revenues to pay for it all.
We’re also a small country that’s already over populated.Together with an ever increasing immigrant proportion of that population thereby also distorting the immigrant v indigenous demographic.Your answer to all that being more ‘integration’ based on the idea that the East Euros have a surplus of fit looking young birds that they’ll bring with them to fix up with the loads of surplus blokes in our available single women starved environment.What could possibly go wrong.
IE that fed up single Brit isn’t going to be happy when he finds that he’s got to compete with East Euro labour in what was an already over supplied labour market.While even if he gets the job he’ll find that the wages are driven down by the over supply issue together with over priced housing on an over developed estate,reliant on in work benefits to pay for it.
Then to add insult to injury the realisation that the available women situation isn’t really any different in East Euro Land to here.So at worse he’s got even more competition to find an indigenous wife from his own culture.While at worse that seemingly available East Euro bird out of the relative few here is actually ( rightly ) already fixed up for a slavic wedding within her own culture.The happy couple of which will be living on one of those many extra housing estates among their own.
Let alone the fact that we’re already lumbered with the non EU immigrant problem.
On that note good luck with making white flight or Slavic/Asian etc multi ( own ) cultural ( as opposed to inter ethnically integrated ) marriages and enclaves a race hate crime.Which I’m sure is an idea that comrade Corbyn would be ecstatic about.
As for Farage he seems to have lost the plot too.In shouting ‘we’ ( the indigenous population ) want ‘our’ ‘country’ back.While at the same time calling for your idea of more inter ethnic integration and replacing EU immigration with yet more non EU ‘Commonwealth’ immigration.Bearing in mind that ‘Commonwealth’ historically generally means the usual one way cheap labour African and Asian ‘free movement’.As opposed to ex colonial meaning Oz/NZ and Canada.
Dolph:
ОК, Im fine with the basic fact. Answer me this please, why the average Brits continue to elect pro EU Government in UK if the same average Brit is for no more immigrants? The same British Governments that are pushing for EU enlargement for 15 years straight!
Why UKIP which is against all of us(EU nationals) was not elected and won 1 seat?
Dolph you wall jumping plonker . learn about the electoral system we have here . in the general election we had 1 ukip and 1 green .
notice the difference in your beloved EU election with EXACTLY THE SAME ELECTORATE ::
Party Votes % MEPs
UK Independence Party 4,376,635 27.49 24
Labour 4,020,646 25.40 20
Conservative 3,792,549 23.93 19
Green 1,255,573 7.87 3
Scottish National Party 389,503 2.46 2
Liberal Democrat 1,087,633 6.87 1
Sinn Fein 159,813 1
Democratic Unionist Party 131,163 1
Plaid Cymru 111,864 1
Ulster Unionist Party 83,438 - 1
Carryfast, you sound like 1940 scaremonger, the Eastern Euros will come and take our women, you got to be kidding man.
Even Farage doesnt have British wife
then?