muckles:
boredwivdrivin:
its a simple distinction . if you born here you are english .What is you’re born in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or Norfolk
then?
You know nothing, its all English, period! 
Dolph:
Carryfast, you sound like 1940 scaremonger, the Eastern Euros will come and take our women, you got to be kidding man.
Even Farage doesnt have British wife
I was referring to Winseer’s ideas which seem to be saying that we are going to get all of your spare ones if we let all the East Euros in. 
As for Farage if I’ve got it right right she is more Anglo Saxon/Germanic than he is being French.
boredwivdrivin:
and i gotta admit it pops my corn when you try and draw a distinction between foreigners (you lot) and other foreigners( the rest)its as if you trying to create new category : perhaps semi foreign ■■?
its a simple distinction . if you born here you are english .
everyone else is foreign !!
its that simple
That would totally depend on a definition of nationality based on jus Soli.In which case Cliff Richard is Indian and Southall/Bradford/Lutonistan is full of English people. 
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Carryfast, you sound like 1940 scaremonger, the Eastern Euros will come and take our women, you got to be kidding man.
Even Farage doesnt have British wifeI was referring to Winseer’s ideas which seem to be saying that we are going to get all of your spare ones if we let all the East Euros in.
As for Farage if I’ve got it right right she is more Anglo Saxon/Germanic than he is being French.
The Eastern Europeans bring their women with them. Some of us Brit guys are dating their women FFS.
There’s no problem here. I’ve said that.
It’s the incoming “outside of EU” Muslim male rabble that have handicapped themselves from integration because they are nearly all blokes. Those few women among them are the wives with babes in arms so often too.
Where are the young, single, female professionals among the incoming Muslims to this, or any other European country?
This is nothing like what one experiences with the Eastern Europeans where you could easily find yourself nowdays visiting a Romanian Doctor to get your HGV Medical done, Russian-run Nightclub on a friday night,Czech bird working as an agency consultant for one’s next assignment, Bulgarian Warehouse worker to get tipped, Hungarian Vet to get your cats & dogs doctored, or Balkans Tyre bay to get that flat changed…
Not enough has been said and done to widen the HUGE gap between everything about the decent Eastern Europeans already living among us, integrated, making no bother, well-spread across society - and the incoming nearly always guy who’ll be “Don’t ask me to handle pork” or “don’t ask me to serve Infidels” or “I must have time off work to go to the Hajj” etc etc.
Farage isn’t married to one. He’s married to a legal, European, Non-Muslim. That’ll be my FIRST group then.
I sympathize with that. My first girlfriend was Swiss German, worked as a Lufthansa Stewardess, spoke 5 languages and like many of us over here - was a lapsed Catholic.
There’s pretty much NO chance of proper integration for incoming Muslims from outside the EU - because they have not brought the means to integrate with them - ie. some women for us infidels to integrate with on their side. 
Winseer:
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Carryfast, you sound like 1940 scaremonger, the Eastern Euros will come and take our women, you got to be kidding man.
Even Farage doesnt have British wifeI was referring to Winseer’s ideas which seem to be saying that we are going to get all of your spare ones if we let all the East Euros in.
As for Farage if I’ve got it right right she is more Anglo Saxon/Germanic than he is being French.
The Eastern Europeans bring their women with them. Some of us Brit guys are dating their women FFS.
There’s no problem here. I’ve said that.It’s the incoming “outside of EU” Muslim male rabble that have handicapped themselves from integration because they are nearly all blokes. Those few women among them are the wives with babes in arms so often too.
Where are the young, single, female professionals among the incoming Muslims to this, or any other European country?This is nothing like what one experiences with the Eastern Europeans where you could easily find yourself nowdays visiting a Romanian Doctor to get your HGV Medical done, Russian-run Nightclub on a friday night,Czech bird working as an agency consultant for one’s next assignment, Bulgarian Warehouse worker to get tipped, Hungarian Vet to get your cats & dogs doctored, or Balkans Tyre bay to get that flat changed…
Not enough has been said and done to widen the HUGE gap between everything about the decent Eastern Europeans already living among us, integrated, making no bother, well-spread across society - and the incoming nearly always guy who’ll be “Don’t ask me to handle pork” or “don’t ask me to serve Infidels” or “I must have time off work to go to the Hajj” etc etc.
Farage isn’t married to one. He’s married to a legal, European, Non-Muslim. That’ll be my FIRST group then.
I sympathize with that. My first girlfriend was Swiss German, worked as a Lufthansa Stewardess, spoke 5 languages and like many of us over here - was a lapsed Catholic.There’s pretty much NO chance of proper integration for incoming Muslims from outside the EU - because they have not brought the means to integrate with them - ie. some women for us infidels to integrate with on their side.
Great post Winseer, I wish more Brits are able to see the way you are seeing things.
Dolph:
Winseer:
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Carryfast, you sound like 1940 scaremonger, the Eastern Euros will come and take our women, you got to be kidding man.
Even Farage doesnt have British wifeI was referring to Winseer’s ideas which seem to be saying that we are going to get all of your spare ones if we let all the East Euros in.
As for Farage if I’ve got it right right she is more Anglo Saxon/Germanic than he is being French.
The Eastern Europeans bring their women with them. Some of us Brit guys are dating their women FFS.
There’s no problem here. I’ve said that.It’s the incoming “outside of EU” Muslim male rabble that have handicapped themselves from integration because they are nearly all blokes. Those few women among them are the wives with babes in arms so often too.
Where are the young, single, female professionals among the incoming Muslims to this, or any other European country?This is nothing like what one experiences with the Eastern Europeans where you could easily find yourself nowdays visiting a Romanian Doctor to get your HGV Medical done, Russian-run Nightclub on a friday night,Czech bird working as an agency consultant for one’s next assignment, Bulgarian Warehouse worker to get tipped, Hungarian Vet to get your cats & dogs doctored, or Balkans Tyre bay to get that flat changed…
Not enough has been said and done to widen the HUGE gap between everything about the decent Eastern Europeans already living among us, integrated, making no bother, well-spread across society - and the incoming nearly always guy who’ll be “Don’t ask me to handle pork” or “don’t ask me to serve Infidels” or “I must have time off work to go to the Hajj” etc etc.
Farage isn’t married to one. He’s married to a legal, European, Non-Muslim. That’ll be my FIRST group then.
I sympathize with that. My first girlfriend was Swiss German, worked as a Lufthansa Stewardess, spoke 5 languages and like many of us over here - was a lapsed Catholic.There’s pretty much NO chance of proper integration for incoming Muslims from outside the EU - because they have not brought the means to integrate with them - ie. some women for us infidels to integrate with on their side.
Great post Winseer, I wish more Brits are able to see the way you are seeing things.
Again the topic isn’t about race/religion or where you come from its about an in out vote on being in the EU
and just for the record my first true love was a Jamaican girl but because my elder brother and dad were racists we had to keep it secret sadly after 2 years it ended
We did meet up 25 years later and rekindle our relationship but sadly again it ended a year ago
My dislike of the EU not Europe is that it’s become a political union where laws are thrust on us without any say whatsoever and my main gripe is we should be allowed to say who comes in to this country whether your an EU citizen or a non EU citizen
Winseer:
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Carryfast, you sound like 1940 scaremonger, the Eastern Euros will come and take our women, you got to be kidding man.
Even Farage doesnt have British wifeI was referring to Winseer’s ideas which seem to be saying that we are going to get all of your spare ones if we let all the East Euros in.
As for Farage if I’ve got it right right she is more Anglo Saxon/Germanic than he is being French.
The Eastern Europeans bring their women with them. Some of us Brit guys are dating their women FFS.
There’s no problem here. I’ve said that.It’s the incoming “outside of EU” Muslim male rabble that have handicapped themselves from integration because they are nearly all blokes. Those few women among them are the wives with babes in arms so often too.
Where are the young, single, female professionals among the incoming Muslims to this, or any other European country?This is nothing like what one experiences with the Eastern Europeans where you could easily find yourself nowdays visiting a Romanian Doctor to get your HGV Medical done, Russian-run Nightclub on a friday night,Czech bird working as an agency consultant for one’s next assignment, Bulgarian Warehouse worker to get tipped, Hungarian Vet to get your cats & dogs doctored, or Balkans Tyre bay to get that flat changed…
Not enough has been said and done to widen the HUGE gap between everything about the decent Eastern Europeans already living among us, integrated, making no bother, well-spread across society - and the incoming nearly always guy who’ll be “Don’t ask me to handle pork” or “don’t ask me to serve Infidels” or “I must have time off work to go to the Hajj” etc etc.
Farage isn’t married to one. He’s married to a legal, European, Non-Muslim. That’ll be my FIRST group then.
I sympathize with that. My first girlfriend was Swiss German, worked as a Lufthansa Stewardess, spoke 5 languages and like many of us over here - was a lapsed Catholic.There’s pretty much NO chance of proper integration for incoming Muslims from outside the EU - because they have not brought the means to integrate with them - ie. some women for us infidels to integrate with on their side.
There are loads of ethnic Asian women around probably more than East Euro.Which isn’t surprising considering we’ve had generations of previous Asian immigration here.On balance I’d say,that like the Latin group,they are often more physically attractive than our own or at least the African group.Which seems to be mutual in that ‘ours’ and ‘Asians’ are usually more in demand by everyone than at least the African group.
However just like the Jewish community or the Italian community the Asians ( rightly ) like to keep to their own culture and ethnic group usually with arranged,or at least fixed up, weddings settled long before reaching their adult years.On that note you seem to be on some integrationist crusade that would make the idea of multiculturalism,in its real form being all the diverse ethnic groups as nature intended,illegal.In which case that’s just another form of socialist social engineering experiment.All based on some bs idea that ethnic integration is the solution when it’s actually the problem.Especially when that ‘problem’ turns into the one of importing the often unstable and violent cultures of the African and Asian groups here.
While if you really think that the slavic culture is into trading their non existent surplus of women,in order to fix our long standing ‘numbers problem’,for a perceived better life here,you’re even more deluded.
gazsa401:
Again the topic isn’t about race/religion or where you come from its about an in out vote on being in the EU
In which,like it or not,the issue of immigration policy is an important part.
Carryfast:
gazsa401:
Again the topic isn’t about race/religion or where you come from its about an in out vote on being in the EUIn which,like it or not,the issue of immigration policy is an important part.
If you read my post correctly you’ll see what I said about who we should or shouldn’t let in !!!
gazsa401:
Carryfast:
gazsa401:
Again the topic isn’t about race/religion or where you come from its about an in out vote on being in the EUIn which,like it or not,the issue of immigration policy is an important part.
If you read my post correctly you’ll see what I said about who we should or shouldn’t let in !!!
You want ban on EU migration into UK. Currently 2,02 million EU nationals live in UK and 2.2 Brits are living in EU, not big difference. To tackle cheap labor: enforcing immigration laws, labor laws-mandatory trade certificate, English language ability; introduce ID system for non citizens if you want, introduce living minimum wage, cut taxes, stop paying NHS bills of non British/EU nationals or people who never payed NI contribution.
Just by leaving EU you will complete absolutely nothing, you will simply have more cheap labor from outside of EU. How many people came illegally into UK, how many people came on student or tourist visas and never left, you simply don’t know, but its EU fault I guess for all of UK problems…
Yeah the topic its not about race, but many of the comments are against EE migrants, no word about western EU migrants, another guy( boredwivdrivin) compared illegal Afghanis to Bulgarians, Romanians and Polish, he even preferred the Afghanis because UK had some history there
Well I get a bit angry when someone compare me to this schmucks from A-stan.
Dolph:
You want ban on EU migration into UK. Currently 2,02 million EU nationals live in UK and 2.2 Brits are living in EU, not big difference. To tackle cheap labor: enforcing immigration laws, labor laws-mandatory trade certificate, English language ability; introduce ID system for non citizens if you want, introduce living minimum wage, cut taxes, stop paying NHS bills of non British/EU nationals or people who never payed NI contribution.
Just by leaving EU you will complete absolutely nothing, you will simply have more cheap labor from outside of EU. How many people came illegally into UK, how many people came on student or tourist visas and never left, you simply don’t know, but its EU fault I guess for all of UK problems…
Yeah the topic its not about race, but many of the comments are against EE migrants, no word about western EU migrants, another guy( boredwivdrivin) compared illegal Afghanis to Bulgarians, Romanians and Polish, he even preferred the Afghanis because UK had some history there
Well I get a bit angry when someone compare me to this schmucks from A-stan.
The point is you’re talking about millions of ‘EU’ immigrants all wanting to move to ‘this’ one small over populated Island.As opposed to Brits spread across numerous different parts of the ‘EU’.In addition to the fact that the actual figures can’t be trusted just like every other part of the pro immigration agenda here.
As for boredwivdrivin’s ideas I don’t understand his position at all.I’m saying we’re full we don’t have the space and we don’t have sufficient levels of employment demand.The demand for labour that there is is all based on a corrupted system of capitalism that wants to minimise wage levels.With most/all of the immigration pressures here being about those trying to flee the economic mess which they’ve made of their own economies,to take advantage of the perceived ‘benefits’ of our more advanced one,that ironically is going downhill as a result at an ever faster rate.On that note no we don’t have and never have had any large scale migrancy issue in either direction between the west euro states and certainly not a major economic migrancy one.Because we’ve all got very similar economies and historically mostly strong proud nationalist tendencies.Even among the poorest states like Italy,Greece,Spain and Ireland.
On that note,as I said I don’t apply any double standards in that between East Euro or so called ‘Commonwealth’ immigration being that they are all the same in terms of motives both on the employers’ side here and on the migrants side there.
Which then leaves the different question of the issue of the import of relatively less stable more violent non EU immigrant societies as part of that v the relatively more stable less violent European cultures.Although history shows that the slavic culture isn’t exactly unknown for also kicking off in a big way if/when they perceive things aren’t going their way at home.
Ironically in view of all the above I’ve got even bigger doubts now about Farage’s real intentions regarding immigration policy.IE is he saying lets strengthen our ties with Oz,NZ and Canada in terms of free movement for the indigenous Brit and colonial populations.Or is he saying let’s apply double standards regards closing the door to East Euro immigration while continuing with the same old historic UK policy of importing cheap ethnic African and Asian labour.
IE what I’m saying is,with the exception of free movement between UK,Oz and Canada,we need a rest from all types of immigration and possibly even a programme of repatriation.On the basis that the boat is full let alone the economic,societal,demographic issues and the implications for national security,of going on as we are.Which more or less matches the ( correct ) policy of the French FN.The total incompatibility between that and EU membership speaks for itself.
Carryfast:
As for boredwivdrivin’s ideas I don’t understand his position at all.
my position is simple . im not a racist . i am a religionist .
its roasts my turkey that we have adopted a racist immigration policy based on skin colour ,
its wide open door to any bum from the soviet republics , seemingly only because they are white .
whilst our friends a partners abroad either cant get any sort of visa …
or are actually deported if they are already here !!
im talking west indians in Bristol who have had their numbers decimated by ethnic cleansing , and replaced by ex soviets and turks . Bristol was built on west indian blood !!!
and the ones who are still here cant get visas for family to visit
im talking Afghany interpreters and guides and workers who put their neck on the block for 10 years helping our squaddies fight a futile US war and now we leave them to be butcherd by Talib
im talking about the worlds largest democracy and potentially our greatest trading partner India . the greatest country on earth by a mile where the millions of incredibly well educated young people cant get work visas .
And the indian people absolutely love Brits , our culture and our values . because their system is the offspring of ours .
And if as a young man travelling you meet and fall in love with a wonderful Hindustani princess ( as i did ) you almost certainly would not be able to marry and settle here as we did anymore .
because they wont give her a visa for years
im talking about our friends in Kiwi and even the bloody Aussies who once past the young worker scheme age limits can only get visas as tourists
im talking the nepalese and samoans who give their lives to our military misadventures , but are only allowed to stay 30 days after their commission ends .
i cannot describe in words how much this annoys me !!
neither can i express how those arrogant bloody eastern euro things can adopt a position of being superior to my indian ex wife and children , or my west indian best friend who cant even get his granny a visa to visit .
if we need skilled immigrants then please recruit them from our friends .
and there is absolutely no need for unskilled immigrants from anywhere .
hopefully that is perfectly clear , even to native russian speakers
isn’t it a shame that you didn’t hit it off with a romanian “thing” instead
In the 80’s i travelled widely in eastern block including yugoslavia , czechoslovakia , ukraine , turkmen/tajikistan and bulgaria as a young Trot . I was also in Zagreb for 6 months at end of Balkan war .
I can assure you that i widely sampled the local fruits , and they were not to my taste
boredwivdrivin:
In the 80’s i travelled widely in eastern block including yugoslavia , czechoslovakia , ukraine , turkmen/tajikistan and bulgaria as a young Trot . I was also in Zagreb for 6 months at end of Balkan war .I can assure you that i widely sampled the local fruits , and they were not to my taste
Just because we are not up for your taste doesn’t mean we are less of a people.
And you judge by experience from 30 years ago, does it come to your mind that a whole generation grew up in freedom with no communist ties, probably not because your every comment is about ex Soviet this, ex Soviet that, hell with it, there is no Soviet anything here. We are pro European as it gets, members of EU, NATO and a whole bunch of other organisations, we impose restriction to Russia even though is against out national interest, most major companies are western own, our culture is probably most westernized then you…
What was your experience back then do you mind sharing with us? Have you visited EE lately?
boredwivdrivin:
Carryfast:
As for boredwivdrivin’s ideas I don’t understand his position at all.my position is simple . im not a racist . i am a religionist .
its roasts my turkey that we have adopted a racist immigration policy based on skin colour ,
its wide open door to any bum from the soviet republics , seemingly only because they are white .
whilst our friends a partners abroad either cant get any sort of visa …
or are actually deported if they are already here !!
im talking west indians in Bristol who have had their numbers decimated by ethnic cleansing , and replaced by ex soviets and turks . Bristol was built on west indian blood !!!
and the ones who are still here cant get visas for family to visitim talking Afghany interpreters and guides and workers who put their neck on the block for 10 years helping our squaddies fight a futile US war and now we leave them to be butcherd by Talib
im talking about the worlds largest democracy and potentially our greatest trading partner India . the greatest country on earth by a mile where the millions of incredibly well educated young people cant get work visas .
And the indian people absolutely love Brits , our culture and our values . because their system is the offspring of ours .
And if as a young man travelling you meet and fall in love with a wonderful Hindustani princess ( as i did ) you almost certainly would not be able to marry and settle here as we did anymore .
because they wont give her a visa for yearsim talking about our friends in Kiwi and even the bloody Aussies who once past the young worker scheme age limits can only get visas as tourists
im talking the nepalese and samoans who give their lives to our military misadventures , but are only allowed to stay 30 days after their commission ends .
i cannot describe in words how much this annoys me !!
neither can i express how those arrogant bloody eastern euro things can adopt a position of being superior to my indian ex wife and children , or my west indian best friend who cant even get his granny a visa to visit .
if we need skilled immigrants then please recruit them from our friends .
and there is absolutely no need for unskilled immigrants from anywhere .
hopefully that is perfectly clear , even to native russian speakers
You say you’re not a racist but you take a discriminatory line on immigration based on exactly that principle.So what’s wrong with all the different ethnic groups staying in their own place as nature intended being that we’re not a charity.As for Oz,NZ and Canada,unlike Africa Asia or Eastern Europe,as it stands they are ‘our own’ but ironically put up as many barriers against us as we put up against them.However if we’re going to apply ethnic preferences then I’d say that Eastern Europe is closer to our own culture than Asia and Africa.As for skin colour most of Southern Europe and the Balkans,or Italy for that matter,aren’t exactly white,being that the reverse racist colour thing is obviously important to you.While even I usually return from a long holiday in Italy looking as dark as many Asians or Africans.On that note I can understand Dolph’s position better than yours.
Why are there different countries in the world at all?
Trade is universal. Everyone wants money in any language.
Apart from that? - What unity IS there in the so-called “Global Economy”?
Terrorists are the biggest hypocrites of all, as they still have all their money in western assets like US Dollars. 
Then what of those countries in the world that "Don’t want to be part of the horrible imperialist British Empire/Colonial system…
Well. They wanted that independence, or not to sign up in the first place. Let that stand. That means we wash our hands of anything to do with that country in the future, and truly let them “go it alone” as they said they wanted.
Nice luxury that if you can get it. Truth be told - being a country costs. If you’ve got nothing to do or sell the rest of the world in order to create a trade surplus - then all you are going to be to the rest of the world in peacetime is a “regular defaulter of third world debts”. Soon, sensible nations won’t bother investing there, and soon the state of unhappiness is so bad that when some local firebrand starts saying that you can throw your life away with a suicide vest and strike a blow against the west" - it suddenly looks like a better deal than living in poverty in the face of the west’s unbridled wealth.
I suggest that ALL poor countries on Earth “hate the west” and not just the “Islamic” ones. The more we give them, intervene, and contact them - the more they feel their relative poverty.
So… What do all the ordnary people on the ground do when their wishes to cede to a better more wealthy nation are unheeded?
They migrate there instead.
The migrant isn’t looking for a new life with a new religion, working hard in their new host economic community - they are just looking for a better life huddling up with others of their kind in that far-away place.
Incumbent migrants encourages more migrants - legal or not.
Since most poor countries are NOT in the EU, and we’re not obliged to take an quota from outside of the EU - It is the third worlders who are the illegals.
That they’ve “come across the sea from Europe” is, of course - being used as a technicality to “pass the buck” from the mainland EU who are unwilling to do what needs to be done - shut the entire EU to the rest of the world except for trade.
Funny enough, Farage is in a better place as a UKIP leader of his party in Brussels - to push the envelope on that now as a policy.
More and more countries say illegal immigrants are not welcome here(Hungary, Sweden, Poland, Bulgaria etc.)
bald bloke:
No need to comment as a lot of comments have been made on another thread.Just a simple vote will do.
Bloody good job you laid these conditions down at the outset bb . . . or else . . . 
It would seem that 16-17 year olds are going to get a vote on this forthcoming referendum…
Dunno why Cameron is so worried about them jumping in the 81% camp with so many of the rest of us though?
Who’s to say that the young folk will give the same attention to voting “now that they are allowed to on this” than they would do normally? - ie. not give a ■■■■, and go out doughnutting with their mates instead…
