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alte hase:
Carryfast:
Winseer:
There will be some members of the public right now who think that “considering leaving the EU now” smacks of “wanting to cut the French loose” rather than showing solidarity,There’s no reason why either of us can’t still do that much more effectively under our own sovereign governments of a Le Pen led France and a Farage led UK and just hope the Germans get on board by sorting out Merkel before it’s too late.
It’s already far FAR too late, the genie is out of its bottle, the genie in question being the muslim ‘exploding’ immigrant population, the countdown to their numbers -and neanderthal culture- overwhelming the entire ‘first world’/ ‘western world’ has already begun, stick your head in the sand or as the ruling politically correct’s uber-liberal-elite have done stick it up your arse it won’t prevent the inevitably coming Third World War, in which it doesn’t need you to have preternatural powers to predict the ‘third world’ are going to win.
I’m not that pessimistic about our chances.But if anyone has their head in the sand it’s our armed forces who are standing by and letting ex Stasi infiltrators like Merkel etc get away with it.While losing loads of their mates on a wild goose chase in Afghanistan for exactly what. 
gazsa401:
With the dilution of many European countries ways of life in mass open migration this as led to uncontrollable amounts of unknowns to enter countries without any checks to who these people are
We’ve always stood by countries who’ve been affected by tyranny and terrorism
The threat caused by both our’s and France’s open door mass Asian and North African immigration policies started long before Merkel,Schengen or even our membership of the EU.Merkel’s actions and the recent EU free movement policies have just added to the original issues.
Asians and Africans weren’t blowing us up before we joined the EU
It’s the stupidity of mass open borders which is the problem thus caused by further political union which the pro EU misguided foolish politicians have thrust on us
gazsa401:
Asians and Africans weren’t blowing us up before we joined the EU
It’s the stupidity of mass open borders which is the problem thus caused by further political union which the pro EU misguided foolish politicians have thrust on us
But in many cases it’s the 2nd etc generations of previous immigration that are involved.On that note we had plenty of warning with the French metro attacks at least.Which as in our case had more to do with France’s old foreign links.
gazsa401:
Winseer:
There will be some members of the public right now who think that “considering leaving the EU now” smacks of “wanting to cut the French loose” rather than showing solidarity, which does seem to be the worldwide public thing right now. The authorities in Europe have an opportunity to win us all over with some decent actions here. It’s time to team up against ISIS in Europe, and bugger what the Chinese vote against in the UN. That a single nation can veto something as serious as this - shows us that changing populations since WWII (ie. China’s huge vote per it’s population) leaves the UN being unfit for the 21st century, like so many other institutions set up after WWII.Russia won’t vote against it, as they are already there. They’ll have the option of standing beside us, or getting the hell out of the way. Russia cannot defeat the entire West - should they gang on en-masse at this point.
My point is that the EU,s open borders policy is a threat to all European countries it’s been a catastrophic experiment which has sadly gone wrong on many a occasion
With the dilution of many European countries ways of life in mass open migration this as led to uncontrollable amounts of unknowns to enter countries without any checks to who these people are
We’ve always stood by countries who’ve been affected by tyranny and terrorism
Twisting fact again, the open door policy is for EU citizens only and has nothing to do with refugees Merkel vow to accept, which turned to be huge mistake. Britain is not in Schengen, does you can check everyone coming into your country!
Working age benefits in UK, top 10 list, only 3 EU countries among them - Poland, Ireland and Portugal…what about the rest in the list. As I read there 5 million people non EU citizens living in Britain, yet many of you keep bashing EU this EU that when comes to immigrants/migrants, why?
gov.uk/government/uploads/s … e-2015.pdf
theguardian.com/politics/201 … u-migrants Typical British double face politicians, discriminating among EU citizens, picking and choosing which one to receive or be restricted. Breaking fundamental European rules.
Dolph:
gazsa401:
Winseer:
There will be some members of the public right now who think that “considering leaving the EU now” smacks of “wanting to cut the French loose” rather than showing solidarity, which does seem to be the worldwide public thing right now. The authorities in Europe have an opportunity to win us all over with some decent actions here. It’s time to team up against ISIS in Europe, and bugger what the Chinese vote against in the UN. That a single nation can veto something as serious as this - shows us that changing populations since WWII (ie. China’s huge vote per it’s population) leaves the UN being unfit for the 21st century, like so many other institutions set up after WWII.Russia won’t vote against it, as they are already there. They’ll have the option of standing beside us, or getting the hell out of the way. Russia cannot defeat the entire West - should they gang on en-masse at this point.
My point is that the EU,s open borders policy is a threat to all European countries it’s been a catastrophic experiment which has sadly gone wrong on many a occasion
With the dilution of many European countries ways of life in mass open migration this as led to uncontrollable amounts of unknowns to enter countries without any checks to who these people are
We’ve always stood by countries who’ve been affected by tyranny and terrorismTwisting fact again, the open door policy is for EU citizens only and has nothing to do with refugees Merkel vow to accept, which turned to be huge mistake. Britain is not in Schengen, does you can check everyone coming into your country!
Not twisting facts just stating the obvious that the EU,s free for all open borders policy is like giving a alcoholic another drink it’s dangerous and it doesn’t work
Plus it wasn’t long ago the Italian prime minister was talking about giving refugees Italian citizenship so Italy could could ease the burden of mass refugees entering their country and let them freely cross Europe
gazsa401:
Dolph:
gazsa401:
Winseer:
There will be some members of the public right now who think that “considering leaving the EU now” smacks of “wanting to cut the French loose” rather than showing solidarity, which does seem to be the worldwide public thing right now. The authorities in Europe have an opportunity to win us all over with some decent actions here. It’s time to team up against ISIS in Europe, and bugger what the Chinese vote against in the UN. That a single nation can veto something as serious as this - shows us that changing populations since WWII (ie. China’s huge vote per it’s population) leaves the UN being unfit for the 21st century, like so many other institutions set up after WWII.Russia won’t vote against it, as they are already there. They’ll have the option of standing beside us, or getting the hell out of the way. Russia cannot defeat the entire West - should they gang on en-masse at this point.
My point is that the EU,s open borders policy is a threat to all European countries it’s been a catastrophic experiment which has sadly gone wrong on many a occasion
With the dilution of many European countries ways of life in mass open migration this as led to uncontrollable amounts of unknowns to enter countries without any checks to who these people are
We’ve always stood by countries who’ve been affected by tyranny and terrorismTwisting fact again, the open door policy is for EU citizens only and has nothing to do with refugees Merkel vow to accept, which turned to be huge mistake. Britain is not in Schengen, does you can check everyone coming into your country!
Not twisting facts just stating the obvious that the EU,s free for all open borders policy is like giving a alcoholic another drink it’s dangerous and it doesn’t work
Plus it wasn’t long ago the Italian prime minister was talking about giving refugees Italian citizenship so Italy could could ease the burden of mass refugees entering their country and let them freely cross Europe
Wrong again, for example Macedonia and Serbia are not in EU, but the immigrants passed this country. The fact is, Merkel said, they are welcome in Germany, so every country on their way opened its border so they can reach Germany and not stay in. Thats why all Balkan countries said if Germany refuse to take them and close its borders, we gonna shut our borders as well, we are not becoming countries with stranded thousands of immigrants.
The military can be deployed in a matter of hours and can seal the border. Now we have the BS of Merkel that we have to take refugees, because they cant cope with them, well WTF, you(Merkel) wanted them and you gonna keep them.
Dolph:
gazsa401:
Dolph:
gazsa401:
Winseer:
There will be some members of the public right now who think that “considering leaving the EU now” smacks of “wanting to cut the French loose” rather than showing solidarity, which does seem to be the worldwide public thing right now. The authorities in Europe have an opportunity to win us all over with some decent actions here. It’s time to team up against ISIS in Europe, and bugger what the Chinese vote against in the UN. That a single nation can veto something as serious as this - shows us that changing populations since WWII (ie. China’s huge vote per it’s population) leaves the UN being unfit for the 21st century, like so many other institutions set up after WWII.Russia won’t vote against it, as they are already there. They’ll have the option of standing beside us, or getting the hell out of the way. Russia cannot defeat the entire West - should they gang on en-masse at this point.
My point is that the EU,s open borders policy is a threat to all European countries it’s been a catastrophic experiment which has sadly gone wrong on many a occasion
With the dilution of many European countries ways of life in mass open migration this as led to uncontrollable amounts of unknowns to enter countries without any checks to who these people are
We’ve always stood by countries who’ve been affected by tyranny and terrorismTwisting fact again, the open door policy is for EU citizens only and has nothing to do with refugees Merkel vow to accept, which turned to be huge mistake. Britain is not in Schengen, does you can check everyone coming into your country!
Not twisting facts just stating the obvious that the EU,s free for all open borders policy is like giving a alcoholic another drink it’s dangerous and it doesn’t work
Plus it wasn’t long ago the Italian prime minister was talking about giving refugees Italian citizenship so Italy could could ease the burden of mass refugees entering their country and let them freely cross EuropeWrong again, for example Macedonia and Serbia are not in EU, but the immigrants passed this country. The fact is, Merkel said, they are welcome in Germany, so every country on their way opened its border so they can reach Germany and not stay in. Thats why all Balkan countries said if Germany refuse to take them and close its borders, we gonna shut our borders as well, we are not becoming countries with stranded thousands of immigrants.
The military can be deployed in a matter of hours and can seal the border. Now we have the BS of Merkel that we have to take refugees, because they cant cope with them, well WTF, you(Merkel) wanted them and you gonna keep them.
Again not wrong Dolph go back to 16/6/15 the Italian prime minister threatened to issue Schengen visas to non EU refugees if the the rest or Europe didn’t help out with the mass refugee crisis
Your a typical Europhile who doesn’t like the fact that the EU has been a total failure in sovereign nations being able to control its national affairs and security
I think the majority of the U.K public would vote to stay in the EU if it was what it was supposed to be originally instead of it being a uncontrollable political time bomb and again look back on EU topics on TN and you’ll see almost every post is against this corrupt monstrosity
I think that you Dolph are failing to grasp a basic fact. The basic fact is that your average Brit does not distinguish between an EU migrant and a non EU migrant, all they know is that we are full and want NO MORE migrants of whatever flavour. All the average Brit asks is that you understand that basic fact.
the maoster:
I think that you Dolph are failing to grasp a basic fact. The basic fact is that your average Brit does not distinguish between an EU migrant and a non EU migrant, all they know is that we are full and want NO MORE migrants of whatever flavour. All the average Brit asks is that you understand that basic fact.
Hallelujah.
Overcrowding combined with incompatible peoples is a recipe for hell, as poor people the world over who are stuck in the ghettoed midst of their own personal hell will tell you.
the maoster:
I think that you Dolph are failing to grasp a basic fact. The basic fact is that your average Brit does not distinguish between an EU migrant and a non EU migrant, all they know is that we are full and want NO MORE migrants of whatever flavour. All the average Brit asks is that you understand that basic fact.
ОК, Im fine with the basic fact. Answer me this please, why the average Brits continue to elect pro EU Government in UK if the same average Brit is for no more immigrants? The same British Governments that are pushing for EU enlargement for 15 years straight!
Why UKIP which is against all of us(EU nationals) was not elected and won 1 seat?
You may find this hard to believe me old China, but the average Brit is more worried about failing education standards, overcrowded and poor NHS facilities, getting burgled in their own homes, the economy going down the pan and plenty of other things ahead of worrying about the EU. If your average Brit thought for one minute that Farage and Co could successfully manage all of the above then I’m sure that they would have been voted into power.
Another thing Dolph, you appear to be educated, eloquent and extremely fluent in our language, so what is wrong with a nation cherry picking people like you to come and live here whilst rejecting the dross that bring nothing to the party? Is it wrong to want the best for your country?
the maoster:
You may find this hard to believe me old China, but the average Brit is more worried about failing education standards, overcrowded and poor NHS facilities, getting burgled in their own homes, the economy going down the pan and plenty of other things ahead of worrying about the EU. If your average Brit thought for one minute that Farage and Co could successfully manage all of the above then I’m sure that they would have been voted into power.
This is spot on. Given the happenings in Paris you would think it might have been a topic of conversation this morning, it didn’t even make the first five. The wind, the rain, driving a double deck trailer in wind, I’m a celebrity get me out of here & England v Spain were brought up though.
As for farage, most people in the uk wouldn’t let him run a school crossing.
the maoster:
Another thing Dolph, you appear to be educated, eloquent and extremely fluent in our language, so what is wrong with a nation cherry picking people like you to come and live here whilst rejecting the dross that bring nothing to the party? Is it wrong to want the best for your country?
Thank you for the compliment Sir 
The problem is that this should have been done long long time ago, not like Tony Blair who said: let us use your airspace to bomb Serbia and we(UK) will vouch for your EU application, it was something in that line he said in the Romanian Parliament in 1999. I have no problem with British people deciding their country future, my problem sits with scaremongering, scapegoating and discrimination of Easter Europeans. Yes some of us are bad, there is bad people from every nation, but most of us are decent family people with European heritage and Christian values like the rest of Europe.
When I come to think about it more and more Im getting the thought that EU will be better off of UK in the long run. As we in continental Europe want federal state, no borders, same currency, same laws, closer cultural/economical/political thighs etc. and UK doesn’t want any of this, why should you be in EU if you are against the EU project, you will keeping us back. It might sounds far fetched but every time when EU makes a move to one direction, UK makes the opposite one.
UK Government new very well what will happen by accepting EE countries into EU, I just want to be treated equal, not like some illegal muslim from the middle east that is going to turn UK into small Afghanistan or whatever country they are from…
I too think you’ve a very good use of the English language and my compliments to you too Dolph by no means am I anti European I love Europe and have travelled all over Europe including many great times to your country it’s the EU which I’m against
Dolph:
I just want to be treated equal, not like some illegal muslim from the middle east that is going to turn UK into small Afghanistan or whatever country they are from…
Why don’t you think that you can be ‘equal’ under a the conventional national friends with fences system in which it’s your responsibility to make your own country a place worth living in ?.As opposed to a United States of Europe governed by people like Juncker and Merkel.
Dolph i think you’re reading too much into this.
I’ve worked with and got along well with all nationalities over the years, two of the best lorry drivers i’ve worked with (and the most polite decent blokes too) were Romanians, i get on well with the mainly Polish lads who i deal with on a daily basis.
Ironically several Polish lads i know who have settled here permanently voted UKIP in the recent General Election because they realise the country cannot continue to import an endless stream of people, and they don’t want the bloody country destroying by overpopulation any more than we do.
Anecdotally, lots of Polish (mainly but some other EE people) work at a huge warehouse not far from where i live, where we take our dogs for a walk goes over a narrow wooden bridge, one of the lads who works there was riding across that muddy bridge a few months ago accompanied by two of his mates also on bikes, well he went flying off and hurt himself, his mates sorted him out.
Anyway, i’m going to work the next day really early and there he is going up the road on two crutches with his mates beside him, hobbling to work…well compared with the pansies who comprise much of the British working contingent who can’t cope if they broke a finger nail you can see why these lads are so popular with employers, they havea work ethic helped no end by their own countries not tolerating bone idle young people who only want an easy life with free money.
Where us Brits have a problem is that oversupply of labour from poor countries has undermined our wage potential, this cannot be denied for we have been there and seen it happen.
The Polish people i know who have settled here are just as keen to not let their prospects be affected any more than we are, and are extremely wary of the obvious religious nutters threatening to divide and ruin the entire continent, starting with poor old Sweden, hell bent racing to the bottom as she is on her own self destruction before any others.
The Stasi plant Merkel is trying her best to speed up the destruction of Europe, quite why so many people seem to be under her spell/jackboot i can’t work out, but the sooner we get away from the Eu and control our own borders again the better.
Britain does not need the EU, it was a powerhouse of real home grown and home owned industry before and can be again, though it going to take hard work to put it back again, whether the modern Brit is up to a bit of graft remains to be seen.
On the subject of elections re UKIP, the reason i vote UKIP is because all the other parties save the now vanished BNP want to continue deeper into the EU project, so for me there was no other way to vote.
Whether UKIP and Farage are there simply as a safety valve to soak up votes that would otherwise have gone to other more ‘‘undesirable’’ parties is unknown, i’m not fully convinced that Farage/UKIP isn’t just another establishment construct, only time will tell on that score.
A vote for either the LIb Lab* or Tory parties is a vote for further integration in the EU and endless open border immigration, which suits the big business who own the parties.
*On the subject of Labour, Corbyn was an anti EU backbencher as were most left winger when the Labour party represented the working man and not the champagne socialists of Notting Hill, so why has he suddenly gone to the dark side, i had hoped that his election to leader of Labour might bring a full and frank discussion on europe and the give the unions and bloody good kick up the arse and make them represent their members again, seems our hopes were false.