Dolph:
David Cameron will issue a dramatic warning to fellow EU leaders this week that he may have to recommend a UK exit from the European Union if they reject his demands for reform. theguardian.com/politics/201 … -eu-reform
P.S. I cant imagine UK outside of EU with politicians like this one. But good luck with the demands…you had 15 years to fix UK benefit system like the rest of us, instead you did nothing and now blame all of its faults to EU.
Do you recall the story of the boy who called WOLF too often?
Outside of the biased BBC state broadcaster, propaganda wing of the liblabcon party, and the bought and paid for mainsteam media and a few poor mislead individuals, no one believes a single pre-written for him word that utters from Camerons lips.
Its all eyewash designed to frighten and bamboozle an already brainwashed British public into doing as those who own the politicians say, there is going to be no meaningful discussion, agreement, call it what you will, the only question to demand the right answer to is can we have control of our borders back, the current dictatorial leader of the eurostate Frau Merkel has already said no, that question is no loner going to be asked, thats the end of it.
Ironic following Remembrance Sunday, that we are too afraid to demand the right to self determination and to control out borders a day or two after we (dishonourably in the case of most politicians) honoured those who gave their lives for the freedom various traitors have signed away nonchalantly since 1972, starting with Heath and with not one single PM since actually prepared to stand up and say no, and not a single shot fired since in defence of this once fine country.
Dolph:
David Cameron will issue a dramatic warning to fellow EU leaders this week that he may have to recommend a UK exit from the European Union if they reject his demands for reform. theguardian.com/politics/201 … -eu-reform
P.S. I cant imagine UK outside of EU with politicians like this one. But good luck with the demands…you had 15 years to fix UK benefit system like the rest of us, instead you did nothing and now blame all of its faults to EU.
The case against Cameron selling us out to China in or out of the EU doesn’t make the case for being ruled by Merkel and her Socialist cronies instead.They are all as bad as each other.
As for it being our ‘benefits’ system being the problem it’s only there as a symptom of our low wage economy that doesn’t provide enough for people to look after themselves.We won’t fix that by continuing to import cheap labour and/or exporting jobs to cheap labour economies.On that note good luck with the idea of being ruled by Merkel instead of Cameron.
If its up to me and have to choose between the two only, I prefer to be ruled by Germans(not Merkel though) instead of Brits(Buckingham palace - House of Lords and so on).
Sorry but Cameron is a joke as politician, he promises one thing and doing exactly the opposite, curbing immigration if he comes in office comes to mined, he did nothing. We are still waiting for his demands what EU should do in order to keep UK into EU, since July he said/wrote absolutely nothing. He will not put in writing his demands.
Merkel will be gone very soon, she is not even liked in her party anymore.
Why the double standards in that case.In that you seem to be making the case for an EU not run by people like Merkel and Juncker ( good luck with that ).But we can’t use the same idea in the case of chucking out Cameron ‘and’ leaving the EU and at the very least putting in someone like Farage which is what the country needs.
Juddian:
Outside of the biased BBC state broadcaster, propaganda wing of the liblabcon party, and the bought and paid for mainsteam media and a few poor mislead individuals, no one believes a single pre-written for him word that utters from Camerons lips.
Its all eyewash designed to frighten and bamboozle an already brainwashed British public into doing as those who own the politicians say, there is going to be no meaningful discussion, agreement, call it what you will, the only question to demand the right answer to is can we have control of our borders back, the current dictatorial leader of the eurostate Frau Merkel has already said no, that question is no loner going to be asked, thats the end of it.
Ironic following Remembrance Sunday, that we are too afraid to demand the right to self determination and to control out borders a day or two after we (dishonourably in the case of most politicians) honoured those who gave their lives for the freedom various traitors have signed away nonchalantly since 1972, starting with Heath and with not one single PM since actually prepared to stand up and say no, and not a single shot fired since in defence of this once fine country.
^ This.In which case Shore in a coalition with Powell was/would have been the person for the job and that’s what we need now.A Labour and Conservative Party united in a Nationalist not a Federalist/Globalist agenda.
I would say just call for an election.Kick cameron out and see what they will say then decide.Since we all know cameron is just a ■■■■■ and only cares about the rich.
Junker has a lot better record and credibility then Farage. The later keeps bashing EU nationals for working in UK when he employs his EU wife claiming, No Brit could do her work, because nobody wants to be at his home at midnight, hypocrisy at it best.
Junker has a lot better record and credibility then Farage. The later keeps bashing EU nationals for working in UK when he employs his EU wife claiming, No Brit could do her work, because nobody wants to be at his home at midnight, hypocrisy at it best.
Or to put it another way his wife is employed with him doing some work as part of his role as an elected representative.For which she is paid like anyone else doing same would be.
Meanwhile if you really want to find fault he is standing on an anti Federalist ticket while at the same time standing on a pro UK one.Together with an economic policy which seems to be a case of jumping out of the Merkel and Juncker run EU frying pan into the Chinese Communist Party run global free market fire.On that note no one is saying he is perfect for the job but we’ve got a lot more chance of eventually finding perfection out of the EU than in it.Possibly even including his own realisation that being tied to Scotland is as bad as the EU and getting involved with the Chinese is not only bad business but also zb dangerous to the national interest.
Junker has a lot better record and credibility then Farage. The later keeps bashing EU nationals for working in UK when he employs his EU wife claiming, No Brit could do her work, because nobody wants to be at his home at midnight, hypocrisy at it best.
Or to put it another way his wife is employed with him doing some work as part of his role as an elected representative.For which she is paid like anyone else doing same would be.
Meanwhile if you really want to find fault he is standing on an anti Federalist ticket while at the same time standing on a pro UK one.Together with an economic policy which seems to be a case of jumping out of the Merkel and Juncker run EU frying pan into the Chinese Communist Party run global free market fire.On that note no one is saying he is perfect for the job but we’ve got a lot more chance of eventually finding perfection out of the EU than in it.Possibly even including his own realisation that being tied to Scotland is as bad as the EU and getting involved with the Chinese is not only bad business but also zb dangerous to the national interest.
What’s your opinion of Scotland, will there be a second referendum for Scottish independence if UK leave EU as some politicians are talking more and more?
Instead of debates that have been aired on other posts, i expected a lot of Yesses…and a lot of NO`s…a straightforward post on will you or wont you would have sufficed.
for me its a big fat YES to leave the gravy train.
Carryfast:
Firstly America isn’t even able to look after it’s own interests let alone ours.As for lost jobs the domestic economy in terms of trade figures,employment and GDP,as it stood in 1972,is the benchmark as to what EU membership has ever done for us.
You still live in the 70’s? What you try to achieve by stating the UK - EU relations 40 years ago? The world is changed drastically and you have to take that into consideration, you cant be isolated island on the edge of Europe.
Firstly 1972 is the last reference point of our standing as a non EU member but a member of EFTA.There is absolutely no reason as to why we can’t put the clock back to that point both politically and economically.With the figures speaking for themselves.
While the EU has confirmed all the predictions of the anti EU side at that time in being a Federalist institution run by the Germans for the Germans.To the point where it’s no longer even in Germany’s interests either.
Dolph:
What’s your opinion of Scotland, will there be a second referendum for Scottish independence if UK leave EU as some politicians are talking more and more?
It seems obvious that there is no way that that an English majority to leave the EU would/should accept any in vote that’s dependent on a Scottish vote stay in it and vice versa.Which is one of the reasons why Cameron probably has no intention of calling a referendum.Because he knows that the result is very likely to break up the UK which contradicts the Cons unionist/federalist ideology.It’s also the main flaw in UKIP’s policy in not following an anti federalist line on both issues.
truckyboy:
Instead of debates that have been aired on other posts, i expected a lot of Yesses…and a lot of NO`s…a straightforward post on will you or wont you would have sufficed.
for me its a big fat YES to leave the gravy train.
As 1975 showed that big fat out vote won’t be worth the paper it’s written on.Unless the out side can smash all of the pro EU in campaign’s arguments and bs propaganda first.
Carryfast you’ll never change the Europhiles they’re well and truly brainwashed by the EU
a bit similar to the poor souls in North Korea they believe everything what’s told to them
im pretty certain we will never get one . politicians will argue they have got a super deal and there is no need for one until next parliament . and so on .
the only way to get one will be if an anti eu party gets a majority in parliament .
and then the establishment will just refuse to accept result . like ireland .
so im not holding my breath .
^This.
The longer it goes on, the harder it will be to reverse it though - any backpeddling from Brussels I mean.That quote from mr shikellgruber neatly encapsulates the whole agenda of the eu,I seem to remember a similar one from jolly uncle Stalin along the lines of ‘it’s not the votees that count,but who counts the votes’
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CHAINSAW:
I am all for out, you guys arguing the European facts and should take a look at TTIP and add that into the mix, it’s scary where this is going.
We are losing our independence just to ■■■■ up to politicians and their ilk, if we pull out of EU we might have to back track and slow down but if we buy British and lose the cheap crap import it would come back around, because it would have to, I for one would prefer a less materialistic life if it meant saving my country from globalisation and the ruins it brings with it.
Never a truer word re the TTIP ■■■■ storm heading our way,not a great deal of coverage of this horror heading our way,but hey the the political puppets are playing their designated pantomime act and quelle suprise,the real players as ever move another,in this case,massive chess piece across the board in time honoured fashion.Hegelian dialectism at it’svery best.
CHAINSAW:
I am all for out, you guys arguing the European facts and should take a look at TTIP and add that into the mix, it’s scary where this is going.
We are losing our independence just to ■■■■ up to politicians and their ilk, if we pull out of EU we might have to back track and slow down but if we buy British and lose the cheap crap import it would come back around, because it would have to, I for one would prefer a less materialistic life if it meant saving my country from globalisation and the ruins it brings with it.
Never a truer word re the TTIP [zb] storm heading our way,not a great deal of coverage of this horror heading our way,but hey the the political puppets are playing their designated pantomime act and quelle suprise,the real players as ever move another,in this case,massive chess piece across the board in time honoured fashion.Hegelian dialectism at it’svery best.
Cheers Manalishi I learnt something new today, Hegelian Dialectism. Did you do that on your CPC
CHAINSAW:
I am all for out, you guys arguing the European facts and should take a look at TTIP and add that into the mix, it’s scary where this is going.
We are losing our independence just to ■■■■ up to politicians and their ilk, if we pull out of EU we might have to back track and slow down but if we buy British and lose the cheap crap import it would come back around, because it would have to, I for one would prefer a less materialistic life if it meant saving my country from globalisation and the ruins it brings with it.
Never a truer word re the TTIP [zb] storm heading our way,not a great deal of coverage of this horror heading our way,but hey the the political puppets are playing their designated pantomime act and quelle suprise,the real players as ever move another,in this case,massive chess piece across the board in time honoured fashion.Hegelian dialectism at it’svery best.
Cheers Manalishi I learnt something new today, Hegelian Dialectism. Did you do that on your CPC
Lol all i learned on my cpc was theres money to be made on ebay in womens used underwear for pervs…no word of a lie
