In or out of EU ? Poll

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Themoocher:

Dolph:
This will hurt young Brits more then anyone else, why is your PM doing it, it makes no sense?

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … edits.html

I wonder what Merkel would do if we have the referendum in the result is out.

Do you think she would give in to the UK demands or carry on with EE discremantion claims?

I think she would break like wet kitkat same as she done with Greece 10 times in past few years.

She would argue that the result is null and void, because less than half of the British people voted “No” - which would be true, since under 18’s won’t be getting a vote, and around 20% of the electorate won’t bother on the day either.

51% of an 80% turnout comprising of 66% of the actual population - is clearly no mandate when it comes to going against Prime Fuhrer Merkel.

It’s going to take 70% voting “out” for the rest of the EU to give up on Britain, and let us go…

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Winseer:

Themoocher:

Dolph:
This will hurt young Brits more then anyone else, why is your PM doing it, it makes no sense?

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … edits.html

I wonder what Merkel would do if we have the referendum in the result is out.

Do you think she would give in to the UK demands or carry on with EE discremantion claims?

I think she would break like wet kitkat same as she done with Greece 10 times in past few years.

She would argue that the result is null and void, because less than half of the British people voted “No” - which would be true, since under 18’s won’t be getting a vote, and around 20% of the electorate won’t bother on the day either.

51% of an 80% turnout comprising of 66% of the actual population - is clearly no mandate when it comes to going against Prime Fuhrer Merkel.

It’s going to take 70% voting “out” for the rest of the EU to give up on Britain, and let us go…

Was watching daily politic show just now.
Reckon if we vote in we are not going have a say in 2020 integration of a close community and EU laws and rules.
Said if we vote out then Merkel ■■■ will drop out and start serious negotiations.
Also saying if it’s a no vote all that why change is the political matters as all trade will stay the same.

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Dolph:
Well I believe exactly the opposite as EU(Germany and France) will want to punish UK in order to set example to other members , does high trade tariffs will be put in place.

According to Article 8 of the Lisbon Treaty they won’t be allowed to:-

“The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.”

And according to the World Trade Organisation they won’t be allowed to:-

The WTO’s rules outlaw punitive tariffs, this means that under international agreements any attempt to punish the UK with increased tariffs would be in contravention of international agreements.

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Dolph. You don’t seem to get it mate. The VAST majority of European migrants want to come HERE and don’t want to go anywhere else within Europe.

Because we give out free money. And our justice system is weak. And you can earn more money here, and send it back ’ home '.

It’s a pile of ■■■■■■■■ and it needs to stop. If you are so proud of the space available to you in Bulgaria, Poland etc, why do migrants want to come here? Oh I remember now…CHECK ABOVE.

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eagerbeaver:
Dolph. You don’t seem to get it mate. The VAST majority of European migrants want to come HERE and don’t want to go anywhere else within Europe.

Because we give out free money. And our justice system is weak. And you can earn more money here, and send it back ’ home '.

It’s a pile of ■■■■■■■■ and it needs to stop. If you are so proud of the space available to you in Bulgaria, Poland etc, why do migrants want to come here? Oh I remember now…CHECK ABOVE.

I was reading salary differences.
U.K. To Poland is 100% average
U.K. To Romania is over 300% average.
How can you have a free movement of people with such differences in life in general is beyond me.

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eagerbeaver:
Dolph. You don’t seem to get it mate. The VAST majority of European migrants want to come HERE and don’t want to go anywhere else within Europe.

Because we give out free money. And our justice system is weak. And you can earn more money here, and send it back ’ home '.

It’s a pile of ■■■■■■■■ and it needs to stop. If you are so proud of the space available to you in Bulgaria, Poland etc, why do migrants want to come here? Oh I remember now…CHECK ABOVE.

No mate you don’t get it, not many people from EE prefer your country.
Thats total lie, vast majority of people prefer Central and Southern Europe. For example total numbers of Bulgarians living in UK is 65 000, 8 000 of whom are British citizens, thats the total number since 1989. Most Bulgarian migrants living in EU are in Greece(300 000), Italy(100 000), Spain(250 000) and Germany(100 000). The same is valid for Romania.
Again, no one besides EE gypsies care about your free money, people from EE go to UK for work and is below them to get social hand outs.
Please don’t compare illegals with migrants from EU. Why they want I don’t care, they should be deported back to Turkey.
You are rich and tolerant country, with generous social system, Poland or Bulgaria are not, on that note its normal illegal muslims to desire going to UK.
If they touch our women like in Germany, first police will beat them, then the ordinary citizens will, because we don’t put up with barbaric muslim acts.

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Don’t forget to mention that it’s the male to male jobs that show that differential…

Also we mustn’t forget to mention that no one arguing against the EU has brought up the topic of the DIFFERENCE (A huge one!) between a fellow European looking for work over here and a non-EU would-be Islamist who’s here for the handouts - seeing as they cannot work in an intergrated fashion with the rest of us Brits - as we might ask them to work fridays, handle pork, or work alongside infidels. A bit sticking point that third one there… :unamused:

It’s about time we stopped throwing out the baby with the bathwater - and supported our decent immigrants already here over the Jemil-■■■-lately that can’t even be arsed to bring some female talent over with him to assist with the “integration” process. :angry:

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Themoocher:

eagerbeaver:
Dolph. You don’t seem to get it mate. The VAST majority of European migrants want to come HERE and don’t want to go anywhere else within Europe.

Because we give out free money. And our justice system is weak. And you can earn more money here, and send it back ’ home '.

It’s a pile of ■■■■■■■■ and it needs to stop. If you are so proud of the space available to you in Bulgaria, Poland etc, why do migrants want to come here? Oh I remember now…CHECK ABOVE.

I was reading salary differences.
U.K. To Poland is 100% average
U.K. To Romania is over 300% average.
How can you have a free movement of people with such differences in life in general is beyond me.

Now swallow the fact that it was Great Britain Government of Tony Blair that pushed(strongly) for Eastern European countries to be accepted in EU.

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" you are rich and tolerant country, with a generous social system "

And we are also FULL.

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eagerbeaver:
" you are rich and tolerant country, with a generous social system "

And we are also FULL.

Don’t yell at me, you know where Westminster/EU commission/EU parliament are, go yell at them. :wink: :grimacing:

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Im not proud of peoples reaction, but thats the reality, everyone fight for life.

dw.com/en/why-do-so-many-ref … a-18707897

america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 … dream.html

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Dolph:

Carryfast:
I’m guessing that the west’s trade union history isn’t on the ex Soviet education agenda.No one said the struggle for better living standards is easy. :bulb:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

youtube.com/watch?v=U5t908O0j-Q

youtube.com/watch?v=m44DLk-IX1s

youtube.com/watch?v=L9UYTdmtU-U

Done that before, several time, demanding from politicians functioning society(police, prosecution, courts, taxes and end of corruption), got nothing. May be the only way is arm rebelion.

Isn’t that what the videos showed with the casualties to prove it.Not in Bulgaria but good old USA. :bulb: :unamused:

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Dolph:
This will hurt young Brits more then anyone else, why is your PM doing it, it makes no sense?

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … edits.html

He’s doing it because the grovelling scumbag knows that he wants it all ways in removing in work benefits which is good.

‘But’ without increasing the minimum wage to compensate and without upsetting Merkel regards EU discrimination.Because he wants to keep the free movement of cheap labour which staying in the EU provides.Thereby maintaining the low wage environment which creates the need for in work benefits.All of which is bad.

Labour has an open goal here if it would just abandon the bs pro EU Socialist dependency culture agenda and go for an anti EU,protectionist,Fordist Capitalist,one instead. :unamused:

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Dolph:
She will not satisfy UK demands. As I and many others see it, it will be fatal for EU to reward UK demanding behaviour. Because what will stop other members from demanding privileges like UK? Same goes for trade, as Carryfast keep saying “EU will not want trade war with UK”. Well I believe exactly the opposite as EU(Germany and France) will want to punish UK in order to set example to other members , does high trade tariffs will be put in place. What will stop other members from leaving the union if they are going to get better trading deals with EU, not heaving to pay contribution to EU, not letting EU citizens right to work, not following EU rules, the answer is simple, nothing. The union will break apart, does I dare say UK will be severe punished(economically) for Brexit.

Feel free to show,using real mathematics not bs,how Germany,or the EU,could possibly win a trade war with us.Bearing in mind the position of weakness created by Germany’s/EU’s unarguable trade surplus position with us v our trade deficit one. :unamused:

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The fact of the matter is that there are only 2 countries that (nett) pay in to the EU, Germany and Britain.
The EU needs us more than we need them, if we leave, France will have to start paying their whack instead of receiving the EXTRA subsidies their farmers have over every one else.

As for the way it is run, I cannot help seeing similarities to the old Soviet Union
An unaccountable Politburo that makes the laws (EU Commission) and a parliament that is only a talking shop (In the case of the Soviet Union, nods the laws through)
As someone who lived and worked on a farm at the time we went in. I cannot see that the European Experiment was anything other than the dismantling of Britain to benefit the French, German and Italian interests

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G8YMW:
The fact of the matter is that there are only 2 countries that (nett) pay in to the EU, Germany and Britain.
The EU needs us more than we need them, if we leave, France will have to start paying their whack instead of receiving the EXTRA subsidies their farmers have over every one else.

As for the way it is run, I cannot help seeing similarities to the old Soviet Union
An unaccountable Politburo that makes the laws (EU Commission) and a parliament that is only a talking shop (In the case of the Soviet Union, nods the laws through)
As someone who lived and worked on a farm at the time we went in. I cannot see that the European Experiment was anything other than the dismantling of Britain to benefit the French, German and Italian interests

I thought France was losing money hand over fist as well, and Germany won’t let them leave because of that contribution under any circumstances…

I also thought that the “Anti EU” feeling was a LOT stronger in France than it is in the UK - the proof of that being the strong (but still losing) showing the FN got in their elections most recently…

The tide is against the main parties though. If things don’t get a LOT better for the ordinary folk by the next election - they won’t be able to double-team the FN next time around as they have just done recently…

To a lesser extent, the same applies here.

If Cameron hasn’t got us out of the EU by 2020, then He’s gone (which he doesn’t seem to care about) and the rest of his party with him. If we find ourselves shackled to the EU beyond 2020, the SNP so carefully avoided in England to date - really will be in the ascendant. A Labour-SNP Coalition only becomes electable when we’ve already missed the option to leave the EU. Current would-be left voters would be supporting UKIP because they’d never be voting Tory. The Tory malcontents however fear the Labour/SNP thing more than being stuck in the EU until Doomsday - hence why the Tories hung on in the end.

The pollsters were asking malcontents in areas too easy for the incumbent to hold. Perhaps next time around, they should seek out the opinions of those people that have NEVER voted - because getting them on board for 2020 is going to be key I think. :bulb:

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Winseer:
I thought France was losing money hand over fist as well, and Germany won’t let them leave because of that contribution under any circumstances…

I also thought that the “Anti EU” feeling was a LOT stronger in France than it is in the UK - the proof of that being the strong (but still losing) showing the FN got in their elections most recently…

The tide is against the main parties though. If things don’t get a LOT better for the ordinary folk by the next election - they won’t be able to double-team the FN next time around as they have just done recently…

To a lesser extent, the same applies here.

If Cameron hasn’t got us out of the EU by 2020, then He’s gone (which he doesn’t seem to care about) and the rest of his party with him. If we find ourselves shackled to the EU beyond 2020, the SNP so carefully avoided in England to date - really will be in the ascendant. A Labour-SNP Coalition only becomes electable when we’ve already missed the option to leave the EU. Current would-be left voters would be supporting UKIP because they’d never be voting Tory. The Tory malcontents however fear the Labour/SNP thing more than being stuck in the EU until Doomsday - hence why the Tories hung on in the end.

The pollsters were asking malcontents in areas too easy for the incumbent to hold. Perhaps next time around, they should seek out the opinions of those people that have NEVER voted - because getting them on board for 2020 is going to be key I think. :bulb:

It certainly seems to be an irony that the Con vote being scared away from UKIP by Cameron’s propaganda machine at the last election has actually,predictably, made the loopy Socialist Labour tendency and the SNP stronger. :open_mouth: :unamused:

While the whole of western Europe descends into a Socialist led cluster zb of deliberate changing of demographics by way of immigration,in order to manipulate the vote away from people like Le Pen and Farage in favour of those like Merkel ( and Cameron ).Which in our case is made even worse by our electoral system which effectively airbrushes out the UKIP vote in parliament.On that note I’d doubt if you’ll get that non vote out unless you can also provide it with PR to make its vote count.

While even then bearing in mind the reality of the immigrant population figure and demographic v the ‘official’ figures we might actually not like what that vote really has to say.In that we are no longer a nation state only a place for anyone to live as they please and vote according to their own ethnic agendas. :open_mouth: :frowning:

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Politicians are very careful not to actually tell the truth and spell it out.

“Those of you who don’t vote - GREAT! THANK you! It keeps the incumbent in power every time!”

“Those of you who don’t vote - It’s your right not to vote if you so choose. How brave of you to not vote rather than for a fringe party that would actually make a difference in this country…”

“Thank you for voting for me despite my lies.”

“Thank you for not voting for my opponent, despite their truths.”

“Thank you for dying of NHS before 2020 and giving me a lasting legacy of the “unexpected government 2015-2020” that sets me up for life, whilst taking away yours…”

It’s a shrewd business move to make all possible things that can happen into “upside” for the politician. The downside has to be sold to the public as “Chaos that will leave the electorate worse off”.

I’ve often said that the very best of possible governments for the (perhaps far) future - is a benevolent dictator. That is, one who is so fabulously wealthy that they can pay for everything out of their own pocket, never have to cut a thing, and each and every opporunity to make life better for their citizens…

I believe Julius Caesar attempted this - but didn’t survive long enough for the system to be fully implemented.

Such a leader would need Pharaonic power, as ultimately the people and land will be administered by such an autocrat in such a way that to enrich the autocrat - is to enrich every citizen, so generous that autocrat is in power. The ultimate honour to bestow on a private citizen - would be to become a prince in this house with the proviso that any shenannigans will result in all honours being stripped away again. That will cull the in-fighting between those at court. With the courtiers too afraid to “jockey for their own positions” - they’ll line up behind whomever seems to be the heir-apparent most likely to look after them. In the event of an intrigue, the faction with the people of best merit would prevail over those with anything assumed to be self-evident every time… The “Oldest” or “Richest” would be beaten by the Doctors, Engineers, and others of high learning. A true meritocracy backdoored by a form of government we thought was rendered obsolete long ago?

It might have come about in Ancient Egypt, were it not for the poor life expectancy there, coupled with no currency and poor foreign trade as a result. Exchange of goods non-existant in one’s land along with “foreign ideas” (as opposed to foreigners!) has steadily allowed nations to get ahead over the centuries. Egypt was too damned Conservative to survive. Rome was too corrupt, and even hard-nut nations like the Hittites made the mistake of trading away the means of their own destruction They rather foolishly devised Ironworking, and then traded this technology with the Assyrians - who proceeded to bring down the entire Hittite Empire with newly-forged Iron weapons…

Politicians should concentrate on Engineering and Tech in general - rather than merely acquiring office, and doing bugger-all once in power. :bulb:

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The-Snowman:

Winseer:
Scotland says it wants another referendum if England voted to leave…

Mind you, Scotland want another referendum if the sun rises tomorrow

No they dont. The SNP do. But they dont speak for the vast majority of Scots, despite what they want to believe. The vast majority of Scots are totally disillusioned with the SNP and they are getting too big for their boots. Winning the Scottish seats by a wipe out has made them think they are better than they actually are and they seem to be going out of their way to pick a fight with Cameron in particular at every turn.
Every time I hear the words “Scotland does not want…” eminating from Sturgeons gob I feel an incredible urge to hit her right in the mouth with the business end of a claw hammer. She thinks she speaks for everyone but in reality she just has an immense over inflated ego. During the “should we bomb Syria” debate, we kept hearing “Scotland does not support bombings” but the SNP didnt actually ask anyone what they thought, they just went ahead and said it because in a nutshell, they’d say black was white just to spite David Cameron.
Dont listen to the SNP mouth pieces and think that the whole of Scotland is behind them and in agreement with what they spout

+1

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The foreign secretary also appeared to reject an EU referendum staged between July and late September. He admitted that if a deal had to be delayed until a March EU council, it would be “very tight” to hold a referendum before the summer and school holidays.

theguardian.com/politics/201 … mmond-says

P.S. Like people from EE care about benefits, thats not gonna stop immigration.
But the ban might be beneficial, people will stop working for minimum wage, because without tax credits they will not be able to sustain living conditions. So people will refuse to work for peanuts, does making employers to raise wages. Or Im thinking wrongly :bulb: