As I said it before, you in the West wanted to destroy the USSR/Warsaw pact, well it happened. Now you are dealing with the consequences.
You on the West wanted to accept all the countries in Eastern Europe in NATO and EU, well it happened, now you are blaming us for it?
Well even a monkey with half a brain will not accept not fit(politicaly, economically etc.) country in EU, like Bulgaria and Romania for example. In western EU you have average income of 2000-3000-4000, in eastern EU 200-300-400, where do you think will people go, when they have the right to do it. Gosh…
Ironically Tony Blair and UK was the main “trust engine” for all of us in the East to be accepted in EU, go figure…
Dolph you talk none sense.
All the EE countries have been begging to get in the corrupt club for decades.
It’s like a lottery win for most of the EE citizens when they get accepted and free reign to come over to the gods country.
Pol,bul,rom and all the rest.
You contribute absolute nothing you say it your self wages are 100% lower.
It’s a cheap free market and cheap labour.
Who the f&&k wants 50000 Romania ■■■■■■ working in car washes or picking fruit. Living 10 in a flat next door to them.
Claiming social money for kids in a caravan in rom that’s prob more than a months wages for them.
Bye 
Dont forget to shut the door behind you .
Themoocher:
Dolph you talk none sense.
All the EE countries have been begging to get in the corrupt club for decades.
It’s like a lottery win for most of the EE citizens when they get accepted and free reign to come over to the gods country.Pol,bul,rom and all the rest.
You contribute absolute nothing you say it your self wages are 100% lower.
It’s a cheap free market and cheap labour.Who the f&&k wants 50000 Romania [zb] working in car washes or picking fruit. Living 10 in a flat next door to them.
Claiming social money for kids in a caravan in rom that’s prob more than a months wages for them.
You forget or not don’t want to mention it. We didn’t force anyone in the West to be accepted us in EU, we didn’t put gun to your head to let us in. You invited us(your PM T.Blair) and you accepted us.
Now I have to feel sorry because you accepted us knowing how poor and corrupt countries in EE are.
P.S. We don’t want 300 000 British tourists trashing our resorts drinking/drugging to oblivion, vomiting on the streets, heaving ■■■ on the streets causing all sorts of problems etc., but we cant do anything about it. We were just fine with Scandinavian and Russian tourist, but because of the Brits they don’t come in greater numbers anymore.
Dolph:
I have no concerns about UK, I have stated many times its your business if you want to be in the EU or not. Simply don’t screw us all by demanding change of fundamental EU principles, just because it suits you better today. You don’t like the club, leave it, don’t twist our hands to meet your demand. In the eyes of continental Europeans Britain is seen as a major obstacle for closer union. You PM is like a honey bee since the beginning of December - visiting EE, country by country.
EE put many things, well not 55 millions pound per day if you ask. The main one is stability and prosperity of the whole of Europe. You think you can live happy life in UK if EE countries are broken, are dirt poor, lawless and hungry…
Other apparently important things for you is market, food produce.
I wish some of you could lived in Soviet times, then you gonna talk differently.
There was no begging, simply it was you play by our(US and UK) rules or we gonna kill you(economically, militarily, intellectually, politically).I could ask you the same thing, what does Britain contribute to EU, because your 8 - 9 billions net contribution are drop in the bucket and without free trade you will not even have them. Or may be your contribution in the union is to be American lapdog and mess up the EU? Take it and leave, no one will miss you, no not because we continentals don’t like Britain and its people, but because we don’t like your always selfish position.
Do you know what was the economy of Britain before you join the club and what is now? You were begging for years to become members, do you know why? Now you want to screw the club…Like the saying: “its my way or the highway”.
Your whole premise seems to be based on the idea that Cameron and the pro EU side here speaks for everyone.Which is bs.The out side of the argument means what it says IE not interested in Cameron and his bs re negotiations.In which case he certainly doesn’t speak for us.However history suggests than when things go wrong in Europe we get dragged into having to fix the mess one way or another.‘Wrong’ in this case meaning the inevitable fall out if/when the EU’s Socialist/Federal project eventually goes the way of all Federations.So yes it’s probably in the interests of future generations here that we not only leave the thing but hopefully also smash it in the process.Supporting the backlash in France and Germany that’s inevitably coming in the long term against Merkel’s ideas maybe being the key in that after we’re out.
As for your ideas as to the reason for being of the EU.They seem to be based on a typically ex Soviet era dependency culture that anyone perceived as being richer than you owes you a living.The answer as to whether you’d be interested in membership of,and your obvious fears regarding the possibility of,an EU without us,maybe France and possibly even Germany in it,saying everything in that regard. 
Carryfast:
Dolph:
I have no concerns about UK, I have stated many times its your business if you want to be in the EU or not. Simply don’t screw us all by demanding change of fundamental EU principles, just because it suits you better today. You don’t like the club, leave it, don’t twist our hands to meet your demand. In the eyes of continental Europeans Britain is seen as a major obstacle for closer union. You PM is like a honey bee since the beginning of December - visiting EE, country by country.
EE put many things, well not 55 millions pound per day if you ask. The main one is stability and prosperity of the whole of Europe. You think you can live happy life in UK if EE countries are broken, are dirt poor, lawless and hungry…
Other apparently important things for you is market, food produce.
I wish some of you could lived in Soviet times, then you gonna talk differently.
There was no begging, simply it was you play by our(US and UK) rules or we gonna kill you(economically, militarily, intellectually, politically).I could ask you the same thing, what does Britain contribute to EU, because your 8 - 9 billions net contribution are drop in the bucket and without free trade you will not even have them. Or may be your contribution in the union is to be American lapdog and mess up the EU? Take it and leave, no one will miss you, no not because we continentals don’t like Britain and its people, but because we don’t like your always selfish position.
Do you know what was the economy of Britain before you join the club and what is now? You were begging for years to become members, do you know why? Now you want to screw the club…Like the saying: “its my way or the highway”.Your whole premise seems to be based on the idea that Cameron and the pro EU side here speaks for everyone.Which is bs.The out side of the argument means what it says IE not interested in Cameron and his bs re negotiations.In which case he certainly doesn’t speak for us.However history suggests than when things go wrong in Europe we get dragged into having to fix the mess one way or another.‘Wrong’ in this case meaning the inevitable fall out if/when the EU’s Socialist/Federal project eventually goes the way of all Federations.So yes it’s probably in the interests of future generations here that we not only leave the thing but hopefully also smash it in the process.Supporting the backlash in France and Germany that’s inevitably coming in the long term against Merkel’s ideas maybe being the key in that after we’re out.
**As for your ideas as to the reason for being of the EU.They seem to be based on a typically ex Soviet era dependency culture that anyone perceived as being richer than you owes you a living.**The answer as to whether you’d be interested in membership of,and your obvious fears regarding the possibility of,an EU without us,maybe France and possibly even Germany in it,saying everything in that regard.
■■■■■■■■, i never perceived such a thing.
Dolph:
As I said it before, you in the West wanted to destroy the USSR/Warsaw pact, well it happened. Now you are dealing with the consequences.
You on the West wanted to accept all the countries in Eastern Europe in NATO and EU, well it happened, now you are blaming us for it?
Well even a monkey with half a brain will not accept not fit(politicaly, economically etc.) country in EU, like Bulgaria and Romania for example. In western EU you have average income of 2000-3000-4000, in eastern EU 200-300-400, where do you think will people go, when they have the right to do it. Gosh…
Ironically Tony Blair and UK was the main “trust engine” for all of us in the East to be accepted in EU, go figure…
Your ideas are the proof that the bs socialist idea of workers of the world unite doesn’t work.IE rather than organise and improve wages and conditions in your own country you’d rather walk away and try to take advantage of the better ones that others in other countries have fought for.Thereby under mining their efforts by locally over supplying labour markets.
That’s why people like Shore,Heffer and Benn abandoned the idea of internationalism and with it Socialism and became nationalists although they didn’t know it.
Dolph:
Carryfast:
Dolph:
I have no concerns about UK, I have stated many times its your business if you want to be in the EU or not. Simply don’t screw us all by demanding change of fundamental EU principles, just because it suits you better today. You don’t like the club, leave it, don’t twist our hands to meet your demand. In the eyes of continental Europeans Britain is seen as a major obstacle for closer union. You PM is like a honey bee since the beginning of December - visiting EE, country by country.
EE put many things, well not 55 millions pound per day if you ask. The main one is stability and prosperity of the whole of Europe. You think you can live happy life in UK if EE countries are broken, are dirt poor, lawless and hungry…
Other apparently important things for you is market, food produce.
I wish some of you could lived in Soviet times, then you gonna talk differently.
There was no begging, simply it was you play by our(US and UK) rules or we gonna kill you(economically, militarily, intellectually, politically).I could ask you the same thing, what does Britain contribute to EU, because your 8 - 9 billions net contribution are drop in the bucket and without free trade you will not even have them. Or may be your contribution in the union is to be American lapdog and mess up the EU? Take it and leave, no one will miss you, no not because we continentals don’t like Britain and its people, but because we don’t like your always selfish position.
Do you know what was the economy of Britain before you join the club and what is now? You were begging for years to become members, do you know why? Now you want to screw the club…Like the saying: “its my way or the highway”.Your whole premise seems to be based on the idea that Cameron and the pro EU side here speaks for everyone.Which is bs.The out side of the argument means what it says IE not interested in Cameron and his bs re negotiations.In which case he certainly doesn’t speak for us.However history suggests than when things go wrong in Europe we get dragged into having to fix the mess one way or another.‘Wrong’ in this case meaning the inevitable fall out if/when the EU’s Socialist/Federal project eventually goes the way of all Federations.So yes it’s probably in the interests of future generations here that we not only leave the thing but hopefully also smash it in the process.Supporting the backlash in France and Germany that’s inevitably coming in the long term against Merkel’s ideas maybe being the key in that after we’re out.
**As for your ideas as to the reason for being of the EU.They seem to be based on a typically ex Soviet era dependency culture that anyone perceived as being richer than you owes you a living.**The answer as to whether you’d be interested in membership of,and your obvious fears regarding the possibility of,an EU without us,maybe France and possibly even Germany in it,saying everything in that regard.
■■■■■■■■, i never perceived such a thing.
So what did you mean by the idea that we should give a flying zb whether or not East Europe is ‘dirt poor’.When that’s your job to sort out on your own turf without begging for cash from others,not ours.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Carryfast:
Dolph:
I have no concerns about UK, I have stated many times its your business if you want to be in the EU or not. Simply don’t screw us all by demanding change of fundamental EU principles, just because it suits you better today. You don’t like the club, leave it, don’t twist our hands to meet your demand. In the eyes of continental Europeans Britain is seen as a major obstacle for closer union. You PM is like a honey bee since the beginning of December - visiting EE, country by country.
EE put many things, well not 55 millions pound per day if you ask. The main one is stability and prosperity of the whole of Europe. You think you can live happy life in UK if EE countries are broken, are dirt poor, lawless and hungry…
Other apparently important things for you is market, food produce.
I wish some of you could lived in Soviet times, then you gonna talk differently.
There was no begging, simply it was you play by our(US and UK) rules or we gonna kill you(economically, militarily, intellectually, politically).I could ask you the same thing, what does Britain contribute to EU, because your 8 - 9 billions net contribution are drop in the bucket and without free trade you will not even have them. Or may be your contribution in the union is to be American lapdog and mess up the EU? Take it and leave, no one will miss you, no not because we continentals don’t like Britain and its people, but because we don’t like your always selfish position.
Do you know what was the economy of Britain before you join the club and what is now? You were begging for years to become members, do you know why? Now you want to screw the club…Like the saying: “its my way or the highway”.Your whole premise seems to be based on the idea that Cameron and the pro EU side here speaks for everyone.Which is bs.The out side of the argument means what it says IE not interested in Cameron and his bs re negotiations.In which case he certainly doesn’t speak for us.However history suggests than when things go wrong in Europe we get dragged into having to fix the mess one way or another.‘Wrong’ in this case meaning the inevitable fall out if/when the EU’s Socialist/Federal project eventually goes the way of all Federations.So yes it’s probably in the interests of future generations here that we not only leave the thing but hopefully also smash it in the process.Supporting the backlash in France and Germany that’s inevitably coming in the long term against Merkel’s ideas maybe being the key in that after we’re out.
**As for your ideas as to the reason for being of the EU.They seem to be based on a typically ex Soviet era dependency culture that anyone perceived as being richer than you owes you a living.**The answer as to whether you’d be interested in membership of,and your obvious fears regarding the possibility of,an EU without us,maybe France and possibly even Germany in it,saying everything in that regard.
■■■■■■■■, i never perceived such a thing.
So what did you mean by the idea that we should give a flying zb whether or not East Europe is ‘dirt poor’.When that’s your job to sort out not ours.
Wars, crimes, drug/gun trafficking etc.
Yeah well its our, its a bit hard with corrupted politicians listening the their bosses(private companies and foreign government). Also its even more frustrating when same companies for same type of work here they pay nothing and in western Europe they pay decent wage. Almost every major sector of Bulgaria is foreign own - energy, banking, manufacturing, heck even our beer manufacturers were bought by Heineken, Becks, Carslberg, Amstel etc.
I have a friend, he quit Coca Cola recently, electrical engineer with years of experience - 500 euro/month. I could bet my life they pay more in UK or US. And you cant do anything because its rich and powerful company and whole small city depend of it for work. How do you fight that?
Stories like this are all over EE.
Carry fast you put it in such a political and polite manner.
I like it
Dolph what you want a salary of 50k living in a slum in bul or pol.
If you built up your own economies and GDP.
Foreign powers will invest in cheap labour everytime.
Why do you think Cameron is happy to except 500000 EE every year that will work for 6p/h doing trades man jobs?
Everything is getting done cheaper than now than 20 year ago and more potential investments in the economy.
WTF? - I leave page 20 and most of 21 blank, and the bottom falls out of the thread…
Let’s stick to talking about the EU rather than all this other ■■■■■■■■ about who what why or when is the social-nu-thatcherist-blairite neo-fascist forgetthenumberyoufirstthoughtofanddoubleit whatever. 
Dolph:
Yeah well its our, its a bit hard with corrupted politicians listening the their bosses(private companies and foreign government). Also its even more frustrating when same companies for same type of work here they pay nothing and in western Europe they pay decent wage. Almost every major sector of Bulgaria is foreign own - energy, banking, manufacturing, heck even our beer manufacturers were bought by Heineken, Becks, Carslberg, Amstel etc.
I have a friend, he quit Coca Cola recently, electrical engineer with years of experience - 500 euro/month. I could bet my life they pay more in UK or US. And you cant do anything because its rich and powerful company and whole small city depend of it for work. How do you fight that?
Stories like this are all over EE.
I’m guessing that the west’s trade union history isn’t on the ex Soviet education agenda.No one said the struggle for better living standards is easy. 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
youtube.com/watch?v=U5t908O0j-Q
Winseer:
WTF? - I leave page 20 and most of 21 blank, and the bottom falls out of the thread…Let’s stick to talking about the EU rather than all this other ■■■■■■■■ about who what why or when is the social-nu-thatcherist-blairite neo-fascist forgetthenumberyoufirstthoughtofanddoubleit whatever.
Yes .
It was chugging along nicely til some stirring troll suggested …
We should leave EU and then …
Join Poland !!!
Why ? Because a handful of cabbage chompers fought in battle of britain apparently .
Which ever gormless windup merchant suggested that should apologise .
Cause he is to blame for lowering the tone and wasting a whole page of this thread
D.P.
This will hurt young Brits more then anyone else, why is your PM doing it, it makes no sense?
Themoocher:
Carry fast you put it in such a political and polite manner.
I like itDolph what you want a salary of 50k living in a slum in bul or pol.
If you built up your own economies and GDP.
Foreign powers will invest in cheap labour everytime.Why do you think Cameron is happy to except 500000 EE every year that will work for 6p/h doing trades man jobs?
Everything is getting done cheaper than now than 20 year ago and more potential investments in the economy.
No we dont need 50K, but law and order, everything else will follow.
Slum(true meaning of the word) is UK, not Bulgaria or Poland, plenty of space here.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Yeah well its our, its a bit hard with corrupted politicians listening the their bosses(private companies and foreign government). Also its even more frustrating when same companies for same type of work here they pay nothing and in western Europe they pay decent wage. Almost every major sector of Bulgaria is foreign own - energy, banking, manufacturing, heck even our beer manufacturers were bought by Heineken, Becks, Carslberg, Amstel etc.
I have a friend, he quit Coca Cola recently, electrical engineer with years of experience - 500 euro/month. I could bet my life they pay more in UK or US. And you cant do anything because its rich and powerful company and whole small city depend of it for work. How do you fight that?
Stories like this are all over EE.I’m guessing that the west’s trade union history isn’t on the ex Soviet education agenda.No one said the struggle for better living standards is easy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
youtube.com/watch?v=U5t908O0j-Q
Done that before, several time, demanding from politicians functioning society(police, prosecution, courts, taxes and end of corruption), got nothing. May be the only way is arm rebelion.
youtube.com/watch?v=PnvXOszEZr8
iwm.at/read-listen-watch/tra … stalemate/
Dolph:
This will hurt young Brits more then anyone else, why is your PM doing it, it makes no sense?
I wonder what Merkel would do if we have the referendum in the result is out.
Do you think she would give in to the UK demands or carry on with EE discremantion claims?
I think she would break like wet kitkat same as she done with Greece 10 times in past few years.
Themoocher:
Dolph:
This will hurt young Brits more then anyone else, why is your PM doing it, it makes no sense?I wonder what Merkel would do if we have the referendum in the result is out.
Do you think she would give in to the UK demands or carry on with EE discremantion claims?
I think she would break like wet kitkat same as she done with Greece 10 times in past few years.
She will not satisfy UK demands. As I and many others see it, it will be fatal for EU to reward UK demanding behaviour. Because what will stop other members from demanding privileges like UK? Same goes for trade, as Carryfast keep saying “EU will not want trade war with UK”. Well I believe exactly the opposite as EU(Germany and France) will want to punish UK in order to set example to other members , does high trade tariffs will be put in place. What will stop other members from leaving the union if they are going to get better trading deals with EU, not heaving to pay contribution to EU, not letting EU citizens right to work, not following EU rules, the answer is simple, nothing. The union will break apart, does I dare say UK will be severe punished(economically) for Brexit.
boredwivdrivin:
Winseer:
WTF? - I leave page 20 and most of 21 blank, and the bottom falls out of the thread…Let’s stick to talking about the EU rather than all this other ■■■■■■■■ about who what why or when is the social-nu-thatcherist-blairite neo-fascist forgetthenumberyoufirstthoughtofanddoubleit whatever.
Yes .
It was chugging along nicely til some stirring troll suggested …
We should leave EU and then …
Join Poland !!!
Why ? Because a handful of cabbage chompers fought in battle of britain apparently .
Which ever gormless windup merchant suggested that should apologise .
Cause he is to blame for lowering the tone and wasting a whole page of this thread
If I want to lower the tone, I’ll sing B-Flat. Poland would be joining us by the way… 