In or out of EU ? Poll

Winseer:
Farage might be considered “unelectable” in a general election - but UKIP “won” the EU election - which people seem to forget.

Farage’s strongest suit perhaps is his incorruptibility. He’s quite happy to be the “Turkey voting for Christmas”.

Should the “OUT” campaign win, then he would lose his MEP job, and would end up out of work entirely.
Should the “OUT” campaign win, then there would be no need to ever vote for UKIP again - would there?

UKIPS 4m voters are up for grabs though… Either Cameron or Corbyn might yet surprise us all, and suddenly adopt the “OUT” stance… They’d take UKIP’s 4m voters - providing they made sure the Brexit was fully implemented before the next general election. How hard can THAT be?

Whoever oversees the brexit therefore - automatically wins the next election. Cameron might even realize what a huge mandate that would give him as 11th hour leader of the “OUT” campaign, and refuse to move over for Osbourne, choosing to get rid of him in an assassin’s cabinet re-shuffle instead, where Boris gets Osbourne’s job, and Theresa May stays exactly where she is, on a right-ring law & order traditional Tory ticket.

Should Corbyn jump into the driving seat for the “OUT” campaign, then the IN campaign might actually win, as the whole referendum would turn into a “keep the loony left out of office” - because there’s no way that Corbyn would let Farage anywhere near it.

May 7th Last year showed us that Farage is bleeding away former New Labour supporters rather than the anticipated “Middle England” Tory voters. Nothing has happened as yet to suggest that Middle England are suddenly going to swing towards a nationalist bent. :bulb:

i’m not politically as wise as you boys but if i’m correct ,and i might not be ,i think i remember kilroy silk starting ukip with a few others and they stated[a long time ago] if they won an election they would get britain out of europe then hold another election imeadiately as there job was done

Winseer:
THE NORTHERN EUROPEAN UNION

Let’s have our referendum, leave the EU, and take Poland, & the Scandanavian countries with us - to form our own version of the EU.

i dont know what imperial tobacco are putting in my rollies these days .

but its wicked ■■■■ !!!

let me see if my foggy old brain is processing this correctly : we leave the EU to get in bed wiv …

…poland :blush: .

why cant we leave EU and negotiate a trade treaty with this lovely poland ■■?

like we already do with the 100’s of countries of the world not yet in the EU ■■

im bloody speechless :imp:

scrotumscratcher:
i’m not politically as wise as you boys but if i’m correct ,and i might not be ,i think i remember kilroy silk starting ukip with a few others and they stated[a long time ago] if they won an election they would get britain out of europe then hold another election imeadiately as there job was done

well …

they havent won an election yet !!

they won most votes and seats at euro 2014 in UK , but very much a minority in EU .

plus kilroy was just a vanilla nutter …

and UKIP is now run by a meglomaniac nutter .

old shouty is not even interested in saving the english gentleman from the clutches of the scottish barbarians , because if he did …

Queenie wont give him a knighthood or worse , block him from house of snores .

boredwivdrivin:

Winseer:
THE NORTHERN EUROPEAN UNION

Let’s have our referendum, leave the EU, and take Poland, & the Scandanavian countries with us - to form our own version of the EU.

i dont know what imperial tobacco are putting in my rollies these days .

but its wicked [zb] !!!

let me see if my foggy old brain is processing this correctly : we leave the EU to get in bed wiv …

…poland :blush: .

why cant we leave EU and negotiate a trade treaty with this lovely poland ■■?

like we already do with the 100’s of countries of the world not yet in the EU ■■

im bloody speechless :imp:

No, we leave the EU and replace Germany as leader of the Northern EU - with Poland signing up as our first sidekick… Unlike France in WWII, Poland played a big part in the Battle of Britain. I don’t see why we can’t have them play a big part in BoBII in the near future. :sunglasses:

If Germany want to pander to Southern Europe with all this socialist federalist bull - then leave them to it, and the failed economies therein.

Poland played a big part in battle of britain ■■

There was me thinking we already did them bit of a favour …

By liberating a big bit of their country from the nazis !!

India supplied 2 million volunteers to our army …

So perhaps it should be poland , england and india in this cosy new club ■■

boredwivdrivin:
Poland played a big part in battle of britain ■■

There was me thinking we already did them bit of a favour …

By liberating a big bit of their country from the nazis !!

India supplied 2 million volunteers to our army …

So perhaps it should be poland , england and india in this cosy new club ■■

Where did you study history…You liberated no Poland, you ran like sissy’s to Dunkirk and all the way home.

Dolph:

boredwivdrivin:
Poland played a big part in battle of britain ■■

There was me thinking we already did them bit of a favour …

By liberating a big bit of their country from the nazis !!

India supplied 2 million volunteers to our army …

So perhaps it should be poland , england and india in this cosy new club ■■

Where did you study history…You liberated no Poland, you ran like sissy’s to Dunkirk and all the way home.

Whilst your lot jumped into bed with Hitler and ended up being a Soviet ■■■■■

" …you ran like sissy’s to Dunkirk…"

Oh dear Dolph. That comment will probably seal your fate on TNUK fella.

eagerbeaver:
" …you ran like sissy’s to Dunkirk…"

Oh dear Dolph. That comment will probably seal your fate on TNUK fella.

Well Im tired of listening boredwivdrivin racist remarks about Eastern Europe. Had to hit him where it hurts.

You don’t really think that my comment is serious, do you?

gazsa401:

Dolph:

boredwivdrivin:
Poland played a big part in battle of britain ■■

There was me thinking we already did them bit of a favour …

By liberating a big bit of their country from the nazis !!

India supplied 2 million volunteers to our army …

So perhaps it should be poland , england and india in this cosy new club ■■

Where did you study history…You liberated no Poland, you ran like sissy’s to Dunkirk and all the way home.

Whilst your lot jumped into bed with Hitler and ended up being a Soviet ■■■■■

When there is no other option you do. Got to gain the maximum you can when the big players are measuring their armies.
Soviet ■■■■■ by force not by choice. Considering the fact that not even one Bulgarian soldier fought against USSR, despite the fact the we saved all of our Jewish population etc.

Dolph:
Well Im tired of listening boredwivdrivin racist remark

+1
He thinks he knows everything, has all the answers and we should all listen to him as the authority expert on politics, EU and world history.
He (and carryfast apparently) cant see he is really nothing more than a shouty bigot and is one of those idiots who sits at the bar of old mans pubs ranting to anyone who’ll listen (and anyone who doesnt want to listen) about “bloody foreigners,comin over 'ere takin our jobs” but doesnt actually know anything about what it is he’s prattling on about and cant see anything other than his own blinkered view of whats “the best way forward” and is incapable of listening to anyone else who doesnt agree with his “best” way.

The-Snowman:

Dolph:
Well Im tired of listening boredwivdrivin racist remark

+1
He thinks he knows everything, has all the answers and we should all listen to him as the authority expert on politics, EU and world history.
He (and carryfast apparently) cant see he is really nothing more than a shouty bigot and is one of those idiots who sits at the bar of old mans pubs ranting to anyone who’ll listen (and anyone who doesnt want to listen) about “bloody foreigners,comin over 'ere takin our jobs” but doesnt actually know anything about what it is he’s prattling on about and cant see anything other than his own blinkered view of whats “the best way forward” and is incapable of listening to anyone else who doesnt agree with his “best” way.

Im astonished he claim Britain liberated Poland, which is a lie. In the same time PL was one of the most devastated countries in WWII and lost over 20% of its people and then brutally conquered by USSR.

Dolph:

The-Snowman:

Dolph:
Well Im tired of listening boredwivdrivin racist remark

+1
He thinks he knows everything, has all the answers and we should all listen to him as the authority expert on politics, EU and world history.
He (and carryfast apparently) cant see he is really nothing more than a shouty bigot and is one of those idiots who sits at the bar of old mans pubs ranting to anyone who’ll listen (and anyone who doesnt want to listen) about “bloody foreigners,comin over 'ere takin our jobs” but doesnt actually know anything about what it is he’s prattling on about and cant see anything other than his own blinkered view of whats “the best way forward” and is incapable of listening to anyone else who doesnt agree with his “best” way.

Im astonished he claim Britain liberated Poland, which is a lie. In the same time PL was one of the most devastated countries in WWII and lost over 20% of its people and then brutally conquered by USSR.

Well would you guys from EE are never grateful.
You got libirated and saved from the Germans.
Payed it back with few years Stalin communism.
Better than been on the next Train heading for auschwitz.

Themoocher:

Dolph:

The-Snowman:

Dolph:
Well Im tired of listening boredwivdrivin racist remark

+1
He thinks he knows everything, has all the answers and we should all listen to him as the authority expert on politics, EU and world history.
He (and carryfast apparently) cant see he is really nothing more than a shouty bigot and is one of those idiots who sits at the bar of old mans pubs ranting to anyone who’ll listen (and anyone who doesnt want to listen) about “bloody foreigners,comin over 'ere takin our jobs” but doesnt actually know anything about what it is he’s prattling on about and cant see anything other than his own blinkered view of whats “the best way forward” and is incapable of listening to anyone else who doesnt agree with his “best” way.

Im astonished he claim Britain liberated Poland, which is a lie. In the same time PL was one of the most devastated countries in WWII and lost over 20% of its people and then brutally conquered by USSR.

Well would you guys from EE are never grateful.
You got libirated and saved from the Germans.
Payed it back with few years Stalin communism.
Better than been on the next Train heading for auschwitz.

Now please open a history book and read how all of EE was divided and conquered by one empire or another. Also EE its not a country, but a region of Europe with many different countries, different political, economical and military alliance at the time.
You did not save us from the Germans, as they were our allies, but even if they weren’t the “liberation” was to be granted to Soviets or Americans in general.
To me both communism and nazism are equally evil, no liberation there.
To be grateful for what, British empire was against Bulgaria independence from the Ottomans and was actively supporting the second. Thank God for people like W.Gladstone. That was the case with other countries in the Balkans as well.
Next train to Auschwitz■■? Well I don’t know what is worst Auschwitz or Siberia gulag :unamused: .
My great grandfather was shot dead by the “Stalin communists” in his own house, for heaving monarchy political views. My grandfather was deprived of high education, work, basic rights because his father was “monarchist” etc. All sorts of “nice Stalinist” stuff.

Im going to vote with 2 hand and 2 leg for EU if we can avoid what happen in the first 50 years of 20th century from happening again to our children regardless of the country(Britain, Bulgaria or Poland).

boredwivdrivin:
lets hope your faith in Farage will prove to be justified ! . . but there is no doubt he needs a human to campaign with him

You’ve had enough time to come up with a name to replace him, or even one to stand at his side -

Who do you suggest?

Wait a bit with stepping out.
Polish,Czech and Hungarian doing quiet well at the Moment.

Well that’s nice for u Dolph.
But il be voting with both hands and feet to get out.
You and Merkels dream state is collapsing around about you.
I want stay in the UK as I once new it where it was proud, wealthy and British values and standards.
Maybe cause I ain’t accustomed to the southern way as I’m a jock and not use to foreigners every where.
The quicker we are out of the EU the better.
There must be a reason why you chose the UK to live and not any other euro state.

Winseer:
Corbyn is currently 4/6on to never face a general election. Bearing in mind there’s always a chance Cameron could call an early one

The Prime Minister of the day can only alter the date of the General Election by up to two months by Order. There are also two ways in which an election could be triggered before the end of the five-year term:
if a motion of no confidence is passed and no alternative government is found
or if a motion for an early general election is agreed either by at least two-thirds of the House or without division

services.parliament.uk/bills/201 … ments.html

Cameron, of course, does not wish to precipitate Corbyn’s downfall too soon though - it would help his own re-election chances no end if he could get Corbyn to obligingly pace along, and duly fall at the last as is expected of him. :bulb: :smiling_imp:

IMO this would be Cameron’s greatest achievement as far as party politics goes. Whoever is the Conservative party leader at the next GE is a guaranteed shoe-in if Corbyn is still Labour leader.

boredwivdrivin:
Poland played a big part in battle of britain ■■

There was me thinking we already did them bit of a favour …

By liberating a big bit of their country from the nazis !!

India supplied 2 million volunteers to our army …

So perhaps it should be poland , england and india in this cosy new club ■■

Dolph:
Im astonished he claim Britain liberated Poland, which is a lie. In the same time PL was one of the most devastated countries in WWII and lost over 20% of its people and then brutally conquered by USSR.

yes that was not my best turn of phrase !

i plead post coital coffee instead of my customary tea and biscuits

clearly poland was liberated by our allies . which would not have been possible if we had not engaged on the western front .and we were dragged into war to overturn your annexation , and punish the transgression .

its not our fault you dont stand upto the austrians , or nazis , or soviets
perhaps in future stop being the big boys bum boys . the british cant always be there to hold your hand .

other countries manage it . Afghanistan have refused to let any foreigners
turn them over since Genghis Khan .
whilst they enjoy some topographical military advantages ; being sandwiched between Persian , soviet , chinese and indian empires just encourages them to fight harder .

i dont remember them boo hooing about the how unfair geography is , they just get their weapons and defend their country .

so i apologise to you for my poorly worded sentence , and hope you find this more agreeable

scrotumscratcher:
i’m not politically as wise as you boys but if i’m correct ,and i might not be ,i think i remember kilroy silk starting ukip with a few others and they stated[a long time ago] if they won an election they would get britain out of europe then hold another election imeadiately as there job was done

Ahh RKS . . . the epitome of vanity if ever I saw it.

My memory of him is a little vague now but Wiki fills in a wee bit of his time. He was definitely of the I love me who do you love variety. :wink:
I do remember Farage describing him as crackers.

UKIP was formed in 1991 by Alan Sked as a single interest political party called The Anti Federalist League which became UKIP in 1993. Arguably it didn’t become a professional outfit until 2002, when the former Conservative MP Roger Knapman was elected leader. He hired ■■■■ Morris, someone who UKIP need now. Farage became leader in 2006.