In or out of EU ? Poll

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boredwivdrivin:
BUT Scotland is NOT important to England !!

Yes it is. By being important to the UK, by default it is important to England.
Only a few hundred thousand more Scots voted to remain in the UK than wanted out. Dont flatter yourself that it is the whole country that’s desperate to remain and thinks we couldn’t survive on our own.
Although knowing how much it obviously bothers you that we stayed does kind of take the edge off the disappointment of the no vote some what!

boredwivdrivin:
We are all in the uk club
But scots are not welcome

How does this fit in with your “scotland is important to the UK” quote?
We are not welcome, yet we are “important”? Clearly you are in the “we dont want you but we will take what you have to give us quite happily” party then. A sort of “grasper” if you will?

boredwivdrivin:
rather its a millstone of whingers and graspers around our necks .

Whingers? There are 5 million people in Scotland and collectively they dont whinge as much as you do when you flap your gums on threads like this.

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The-Snowman:

boredwivdrivin:
BUT Scotland is NOT important to England !!

Yes it is. By being important to the UK, by default it is important to England.

no it is not .

you are assuming , quite wrongly , that the English view UK as important ! the only english people i know that think this , like you ,either have no idea what the UK means . or are foreigners .

The-Snowman:
Only a few hundred thousand more Scots voted to remain in the UK than wanted out. Dont flatter yourself that it is the whole country that’s desperate to remain and thinks we couldn’t survive on our own.
Although knowing how much it obviously bothers you that we stayed does kind of take the edge off the disappointment of the no vote some what!

why is it always about what the scottish want ■■

when will english be asked ?. when will england have a parliament ? when will english regions have an assembly ? when will england be independant ?

or the welsh ? deemed only fit for an assembly !

yes it does bother me that the scottish were given a free vote and bottled it . now we (england &wales) are stuffed . for centuries we have listened to scots slagging english , and yet when given an easy divorce decided to keep suckling at mummies ■■■ .

the vote turned scotland into the laughing stock of the world . all those people who have fought and died for their country all over the globe just cant believe that when offered on a plate …refused !!

a giant leap from bravehearts to yellowbellies with 1 flick of the pen

and now we are being made to suffer again .

we are not getting a vote on england leaving EU …

the welsh are not getting a vote on leaving EU …

the NI are not getting a vote on EU …

we are all getting a vote on UK leaving EU !!

if the scottish balls this up again for english/welsh/ni then i predict another civil war .

p.s. i thought i made it clear that as scotland is 1/4 constituent part of UK , therefore it is important to uk .
UK is not important to england . UK is a curse on the English .

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boredwivdrivin:
we are not getting a vote on england leaving EU …

the welsh are not getting a vote on leaving EU …

the NI are not getting a vote on EU …

we are all getting a vote on UK leaving EU !!

if the scottish balls this up i predict another civil war .

UK is a curse on the English .

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The bit that Braveheart missed was that the so called ‘English’ were in fact actually just being used as mugs and pawns in the Plantagenet Federalist UK project after having their own identity wiped out by the Franco Norman invasion.

As for any of the seperate nations that make up the UK,being pushed into,or taken out of,the EU Federation,against the democratic will of those respective seperate nations it won’t mean the extreme of civil war but it will finally guarantee the end of that foreign imposed UK Federation at least.

Ironically possibly to the point where the so called ‘Nationalist’ Scots hand themselves over to Merkel’s rule while we finally get our country back after 950 years. :open_mouth: :wink:

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Carryfast:
Ironically possibly to the point where the so called ‘Nationalist’ Scots hand themselves over to Merkel’s rule while we finally get our country back after 950 years. :open_mouth: :wink:

even more ironic when we remember prior to the Scottish vote …

Herr Merkel WOULDNT guarantee them membership !!

no fool the Furher :unamused:

Germany was quite happy for Slovenia to suceed Yugoslavia and plunge the balkans into civil war …

Quite happy for mafia run Bulgaria to join the club …

Chuffed to bits to write multibillion cheques to Greece to keep them in …

Creaming herself at the thought of signing up Turkey …

Eyes rolling delight to recruit a Syrian exodus to the great game …

but didnt want the bloody scots !!!

i know she blames Spain but i cant help thinking Adolfa is not as stooopid as she appears .

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boredwivdrivin:
you are assuming , quite wrongly , that the English view UK as important ! the only english people i know that think this , like you ,either have no idea what the UK means . or are foreigners .

No im not. Im not assuming anything. I have no idea what so ever how the English view the UK. Or Scots, Welsh or Irish for that matter. I haven’t researched how anyone feels because I frankly dont care. I voted to leave. That’s all I care about. Im not really bothered about what anyone else feels about the UK as a whole to be honest. We are stuck together whether we like it or not and no amount of ■■■■■■■ and moaning on a forum is going to change it.
We can argue back and forth all day but the ironic thing is I didnt want Scotland to be in the UK any more than you do. It was the (unelected) government who pushed so much for it to remain that means we are stuck as we are

boredwivdrivin:

The-Snowman:
Only a few hundred thousand more Scots voted to remain in the UK than wanted out. Dont flatter yourself that it is the whole country that’s desperate to remain and thinks we couldn’t survive on our own.
Although knowing how much it obviously bothers you that we stayed does kind of take the edge off the disappointment of the no vote some what!

why is it always about what the scottish want ■■

Er, because that’s what we’re talking about? Do you know how a forum works?
Your always prattling on about what England wants. Do you see me moaning about that?

boredwivdrivin:
when will english be asked ?. when will england have a parliament ? when will english regions have an assembly ? when will england be independant ?

Why is it always about what England wants?
You’ll have to ask Westminster that. I dont know the answer. I am, however, doubtful it will ever happen due to small minded, ill informed people like you who terrify Cameron and Co that you would vote yes and he cant have that.

boredwivdrivin:
or the welsh ? deemed only fit for an assembly !

Make your mind up. You are incredibly bitter about a Scottish parliment (which is highly amusing) but moaning that the Welsh dont have one?

boredwivdrivin:
yes it does bother me that the scottish were given a free vote and bottled it . now we (england &wales) are stuffed . for centuries we have listened to scots slagging english , and yet when given an easy divorce decided to keep suckling at mummies ■■■ .

Only a few hundred thousand more voted to remain than wanted shot of the UK. It wasnt the quite the entire country (I assume you CAN read, yes?)
Of all the Yes voters, almost 60% only did so because there was no clear answer to what currency we would have.
Many voted no due to some misplaced desire to still be tied to the queen and the royals, not westminster
Many voted no due to Cameron getting all his big business pals to threaten to take their companies down south and out of Scotland
Many voted no simply because they didnt trust Salmond was the right man to take over if it went yes
Very few voted no because they were so desperate to remain tied to Westminster. But hey,dont let the facts get in the way of your bigoted, ill informed rantings now will you!

boredwivdrivin:
the vote turned scotland into the laughing stock of the world. all those people who have fought and died for their country all over the globe just cant believe that when offered on a plate …refused !!

a giant leap from bravehearts to yellowbellies with 1 flick of the pen

See above. But im not holding my breath you’ll pay attention. You have a habit of only seeing what fits what you want to think

boredwivdrivin:
and now we are being made to suffer again .

we are not getting a vote on england leaving EU …

the welsh are not getting a vote on leaving EU …

the NI are not getting a vote on EU …

we are all getting a vote on UK leaving EU !!

Yes. Because it is a UK wide decision maybe?

boredwivdrivin:
if the scottish balls this up again for english/welsh/ni then i predict another civil war .

Do you know how a democracy works? It wont be “ballsed up” if the majority vote to remain as that is how it works. Just because you are desperate for a vote to leave does not mean anything else is wrong. YOU don’t decide whats best. EVERYONE does.
Your bitterness towards Scotland is very amusing though!

boredwivdrivin:
UK is not important to england . UK is a curse on the English .

I think David Cameron would disagree with you somehow since he will probably never give an independance vote to ANY UK country.
But im sure you know better than him eh

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boredwivdrivin:
even more ironic when we remember prior to the Scottish vote …

Herr Merkel WOULDNT guarantee them membership !!

no fool the Furher :unamused:

Germany was quite happy for Slovenia to suceed Yugoslavia and plunge the balkans into civil war …

Quite happy for mafia run Bulgaria to join the club …

Chuffed to bits to write multibillion cheques to Greece to keep them in …

Creaming herself at the thought of signing up Turkey …

Eyes rolling delight to recruit a Syrian exodus to the great game …

but didnt want the bloody scots !!!

I sure Cameron,with all the scare tactics he was deploying at the time, had NOTHING at all to do with her comments though :unamused:

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Snowman, I like the way you write :laughing:

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With the vast majority of politicians apparently “in favour of staying in” as it stands - we have not actually heard a solid case single argument from ANY of them that directly affects an individual’s reason for “voting to stay in”.

It’s all been vague implied threats to “invisible non-jobs that might be lost by not you, but someone influencial in the local drinking establishment”…

In other words - the non-guy down the gone-bust pub that isn’t there any more might have a grievance for losing his agency job if a number of other external factors come into play as well. :unamused:

Let’s have it politicians - lie to us, tell us the truth - but freakin well tell us SOMETHING to go on here!

So far, only Farage has actually listed multiple arguments for “getting out” - but even Cleggy couldn’t construct a single solid argument for why he’s so keen for us to stay in…

What if we are NOT an employer of cheap labour?
What if we do NOT export our product?
What if we DO want to bring back some old draconian laws to the UK, currently voided by Brussels?
What if we really believe that UK workers have no rights OUTSIDE the EU?

Just give us a pitch to compare with the growing strength of the “OUT” argument!

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Winseer:
With the vast majority of politicians apparently “in favour of staying in” as it stands - we have not actually heard a solid case single argument from ANY of them that directly affects an individual’s reason for “voting to stay in”.

It’s all been vague implied threats

That’s because vague implied,but in reality non existent,threats have always been the only argument for staying in.The in campaign is just 1975 history repeating itself in that regard.They just hope that if they keep shouting the same old propaganda bs the mugs will naively vote for yet more EU Federal rule just as before.

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The-Snowman:

boredwivdrivin:
you are assuming , quite wrongly , that the English view UK as important ! the only english people i know that think this , like you ,either have no idea what the UK means . or are foreigners .

No im not. Im not assuming anything. I have no idea what so ever how the English view the UK. Or Scots, Welsh or Irish for that matter. I haven’t researched how anyone feels because I frankly dont care. I voted to leave. That’s all I care about. Im not really bothered about what anyone else feels about the UK as a whole to be honest. We are stuck together whether we like it or not and no amount of ■■■■■■■ and moaning on a forum is going to change it.
We can argue back and forth all day but the ironic thing is I didnt want Scotland to be in the UK any more than you do. It was the (unelected) government who pushed so much for it to remain that means we are stuck as we are

boredwivdrivin:

The-Snowman:
Only a few hundred thousand more Scots voted to remain in the UK than wanted out. Dont flatter yourself that it is the whole country that’s desperate to remain and thinks we couldn’t survive on our own.
Although knowing how much it obviously bothers you that we stayed does kind of take the edge off the disappointment of the no vote some what!

why is it always about what the scottish want ■■

Er, because that’s what we’re talking about? Do you know how a forum works?
Your always prattling on about what England wants. Do you see me moaning about that?

boredwivdrivin:
when will english be asked ?. when will england have a parliament ? when will english regions have an assembly ? when will england be independant ?

Why is it always about what England wants?
You’ll have to ask Westminster that. I dont know the answer. I am, however, doubtful it will ever happen due to small minded, ill informed people like you who terrify Cameron and Co that you would vote yes and he cant have that.

boredwivdrivin:
or the welsh ? deemed only fit for an assembly !

Make your mind up. You are incredibly bitter about a Scottish parliment (which is highly amusing) but moaning that the Welsh dont have one?

boredwivdrivin:
yes it does bother me that the scottish were given a free vote and bottled it . now we (england &wales) are stuffed . for centuries we have listened to scots slagging english , and yet when given an easy divorce decided to keep suckling at mummies ■■■ .

Only a few hundred thousand more voted to remain than wanted shot of the UK. It wasnt the quite the entire country (I assume you CAN read, yes?)
Of all the Yes voters, almost 60% only did so because there was no clear answer to what currency we would have.
Many voted no due to some misplaced desire to still be tied to the queen and the royals, not westminster
Many voted no due to Cameron getting all his big business pals to threaten to take their companies down south and out of Scotland
Many voted no simply because they didnt trust Salmond was the right man to take over if it went yes
Very few voted no because they were so desperate to remain tied to Westminster. But hey,dont let the facts get in the way of your bigoted, ill informed rantings now will you!

boredwivdrivin:
the vote turned scotland into the laughing stock of the world. all those people who have fought and died for their country all over the globe just cant believe that when offered on a plate …refused !!

a giant leap from bravehearts to yellowbellies with 1 flick of the pen

See above. But im not holding my breath you’ll pay attention. You have a habit of only seeing what fits what you want to think

boredwivdrivin:
and now we are being made to suffer again .

we are not getting a vote on england leaving EU …

the welsh are not getting a vote on leaving EU …

the NI are not getting a vote on EU …

we are all getting a vote on UK leaving EU !!

Yes. Because it is a UK wide decision maybe?

boredwivdrivin:
if the scottish balls this up again for english/welsh/ni then i predict another civil war .

Do you know how a democracy works? It wont be “ballsed up” if the majority vote to remain as that is how it works. Just because you are desperate for a vote to leave does not mean anything else is wrong. YOU don’t decide whats best. EVERYONE does.
Your bitterness towards Scotland is very amusing though!

boredwivdrivin:
UK is not important to england . UK is a curse on the English .

I think David Cameron would disagree with you somehow since he will probably never give an independance vote to ANY UK country.
But im sure you know better than him eh

Why do you view an anti Federalist stance as ‘small minded’ and ‘ill informed’.

You seem to be saying that Scots voted to keep the UK together because of so called threats of economic sanctions and losing their status as subjects of the royals and because they weren’t bright enough to sort out a currency for themselves.I’d say that makes boredwivdrivin’s calling of a spade a spade justified.Bearing in mind examples like Canada and Australia and to an extent Ireland at least before like the the rest of the British Isles it sold its soul to the even bigger Federal zb up of the EU.

On that note make no mistake.If England gets dragged into the EU’s and Merkel’s grubby paws on the basis of the Scottish vote that will finally be the end of the bs Franco/Norman/Plantagenet stitch up known as the ‘UK’ and good riddance. :imp:

Which might also have the beneficial effect of making Ireland the place,which those who gave their lives for its independence,the place they actually fought for.Assuming it sees sense in then dumping the EU Federalist project too ( doubtful ). :unamused:

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Carryfast:
Why do you view an anti Federalist stance as ‘small minded’ and ‘ill informed’.

You seem to be saying that Scots voted to keep the UK together because of so called threats of economic sanctions and losing their status as subjects of the royals and because they weren’t bright enough to sort out a currency for themselves.I’d say that makes boredwivdrivin’s calling of a spade a spade justified.Bearing in mind examples like Canada and Australia and to an extent Ireland at least before like the the rest of the British Isles it sold its soul to the even bigger Federal zb up of the EU.

On that note make no mistake.If England gets dragged into the EU’s and Merkel’s grubby paws on the basis of the Scottish vote that will finally be the end of the bs Franco/Norman/Plantagenet stitch up known as the ‘UK’ and good riddance. :imp:

Which might also have the beneficial effect of making Ireland the place,which those who gave their lives for its independence,the place they actually fought for.Assuming it sees sense in then dumping the EU Federalist project too ( doubtful ). :unamused:

Im not even going to bother trying to decipher that load of ■■■■■■■■ or explaining why someone who conducts himself like BWD would be considered small minded or ill informed. If you cant see it for yourself (in particular the way he words things and the way his mask keeps slipping) then im not wasting my time trying to explain it.
Im bored of this thread already. Some of you cant see the woods for the trees,only see one thing and will not/ can not open your minds to anything else

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Me personally I think the quicker we exit the better.

I can’t see any positives for the normal working family staying in the EU.

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Carryfast:
The bit that Braveheart missed was that the so called ‘English’ were in fact actually just being used as mugs and pawns in the Plantagenet Federalist UK project after having their own identity wiped out by the Franco Norman invasion.

Ironically they ^^^^^^^ are the very words I used when me and my g/f watched Mel Gibson frolic through the glens!

Obviously she left me shortly afterwards.

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For those wondering what happened to the so called europhobes in the tory party, so far only the deafening sound of silence from them on something (boy calling wolf like) they’ve been on about for years.

Well it appears Peter Bone (con) has kicked the ball off, he’s got Philip Hollobone (con) at his shoulder, plus young Tom Pursglove (con) and Kate Hoey (lab).
Bone has kicked started a movement called GO (Grassroots Out), all the above will be sharing the platform with Nigel Farage on Jan 23rd to launch the new movement.

Bet old dhimmi Dave is overjoyed at this, wonder if he’ll be joining in :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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Juddian:
For those wondering what happened to the so called europhobes in the tory party, so far only the deafening sound of silence from them on something (boy calling wolf like) they’ve been on about for years.

Well it appears Peter Bone (con) has kicked the ball off, he’s got Philip Hollobone (con) at his shoulder, plus young Tom Pursglove (con) and Kate Hoey (lab).
Bone has kicked started a movement called GO (Grassroots Out), all the above will be sharing the platform with Nigel Farage on Jan 23rd to launch the new movement.

Bet old dhimmi Dave is overjoyed at this, wonder if he’ll be joining in :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Are they any relation to Nick Jellybone or John Missingspinebone? :smiley:

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Dolph:
Snowman, I like the way you write :laughing:

this seems like the Bedwetting Society joining forces wiv LibDems :smiling_imp:

Winseer:
…
So far, only Farage has actually listed multiple arguments for “getting out” - but even Cleggy couldn’t construct a single solid argument for why he’s so keen for us to stay in…

…
Just give us a pitch to compare with the growing strength of the “OUT” argument!

im afraid the OUT campaign will do best if Farage keeps a low profile .

he is tactically inept and comes across as a bit nuts on TV . he is much better on radio granted . and he will need to quickly remodel himself as an EnglishIndependanceParty if he wants my support .

probably Carswell? (UKIP MP) would be a better figurehead amongst the politicians . he seems more rational and more conversationalist . less shouty . or Boris ?

The staying IN campaign can only scare the timid people with their fear of change and uncertainty .there is no positive message for IN .

there are however endless positive messages for OUT , and politicians must be careful not to allow the OUT vote for freedom , change , better futures and democracy to become too negative .

Juddian:
For those wondering what happened to the so called europhobes in the tory party, so far only the deafening sound of silence from them on something (boy calling wolf like) they’ve been on about for years.

Well it appears Peter Bone (con) has kicked the ball off, he’s got Philip Hollobone (con) at his shoulder, plus young Tom Pursglove (con) and Kate Hoey (lab).
Bone has kicked started a movement called GO (Grassroots Out), all the above will be sharing the platform with Nigel Farage on Jan 23rd to launch the new movement.

i think that these 3rd class politicians will only damage the cause . having people like these and Bill Cash etc off the scene will enable a more rational positive campaign .

alot of this shouty mob are pretty repulsive to female voters it seems .

and i feel that women are more positive about EU than men . its important to appeal to them and ensure they vote OUT .

thats why i would like non politicians leading OUT . i think james dyson the vacuum cleaner tycoon has expressed interest . someone like him would be ideal as he appeals across the sexes , classes and age groups .

a similar female figure is essential too , not sure who fits the bill but perhaps a leading sportswoman . jessica ennis would be my choice but no idea if she is political or euro sceptic . someone totally admirable and photogenic like her tho .

and ofcourse the big unknown is Boris . he has so much to gain if he could be seen to lead a victorious campaign , he could inherit the earth . we will have to wait and see if he chucks his hat into the ring , but will be good thing if he does .

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I thought Dyson was threatening to pull all factories out of the UK outright - IF we “voted to leave”?

Farage seems keen to “be a part of the out campaign” - but has been reticent about “wanting to actually run it himself”. His supporters keep pushing him to “be the one” of course, but on the radio yesterday, he spoke of wanting to get Boris and Teresa May on board… Even a preference for HER to “run it”?

The thing that confuses me is why on earth Cameron doesn’t flip over to the OUT campaign himself?

He could argue at ANY TIME that “I’ve asked Brussels for concessions, they’ve said ■■■■■■■■, and so I am going to do what MY people want - which is to pull the plug.”

Chances are, some last-minute “concession” will then be offered to make Cameron at least postpone the referendum date… But I already think he’s ahead of the curve here, as people are talking about a referendum THIS june (can’t see how that can happen so soon after royal assent) - when, in fact, it’s far more likely to be after Easter in 2017… This would leave him space TO “extend the deadline” should such a last-minute concession be offered… BUT… Where’s the damned statement saying he’s going to campaign in favour of an exit already? :open_mouth: :exclamation: :question:

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The-Snowman:
I sure Cameron,with all the scare tactics he was deploying at the time, had NOTHING at all to do with her comments though :unamused:

You’re surely not suggesting that our Dave would lower himself to underhand scurrilous tactics with
the Scottish ego and the German jackboot? :unamused:

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Winseer:
With the vast majority of politicians apparently “in favour of staying in” as it stands - we have not actually heard a solid case single argument from ANY of them that directly affects an individual’s reason for “voting to stay in”.

The In crowd don’t have to provide any arguments for staying in. As a country we have been trapped inside a darkened room called the EEC/EU; all the In crowd have to do is play on the fears of the unknown after exit. And as facts and figures :unamused: will be thrown at the voting public at such a rate so as to confuse fear will be a comfort blanket for a great deal of voters to hang on to.

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boredwivdrivin:
probably Carswell? (UKIP MP) would be a better figurehead amongst the politicians. he seems more rational and more conversationalist.

The argument within certain circles is that Carswell is a Tory plant, put there purely to disrupt the running of UKIP’s machine.

His remarks about the leadership of UKIP on the very day when they should have been concentrating on Cameron’s charade in Brussels questions his motives. The fact he doesn’t state on any of his social media pages that he is a UKIP MP is curious for a self-serving politician. His defection looked like a great coup at the time but he’s shown himself to be a naive self-promoter with no self-awareness and no political acuity.

Just look at how the Tories threw the kitchen sink at Mark Reckless and Nigel Farage at the GE, but virtually ignored Carswell.