In or out of EU ? Poll

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The-Snowman:

Winseer:
Scotland says it wants another referendum if England voted to leave…

Mind you, Scotland want another referendum if the sun rises tomorrow

No they dont. The SNP do. But they dont speak for the vast majority of Scots, despite what they want to believe. The vast majority of Scots are totally disillusioned with the SNP and they are getting too big for their boots. Winning the Scottish seats by a wipe out has made them think they are better than they actually are and they seem to be going out of their way to pick a fight with Cameron in particular at every turn.

The inconvenient fact being that Cameron and Sturgeon are actually allies in the pro EU cause.While all the reasons why the EU is bad also apply in the case of the UK in any case. :bulb:

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The-Snowman:
Dont listen to the SNP mouth pieces and think that the whole of Scotland is behind them and in agreement with what they spout

Why should the English care about your internal politics ?
Especially when we have suffered a totally unelected in England , cockeyed scottish chancellor and PM for sharp end of 15 years …

Have your oil and free tuition fees and free prescriptions and parliament and EU hegemony and syrian and bulpolhunrom refugees…
But dont expect me to pay for it. .

Quite why the Scots need a parliament but decided that the Welsh are only worthy of an assembly , and the English worthy of no representation at all is a indicator of their arrogance .

We are all in the UK club …
But scots are not welcome .

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And England no longer wants to be part of it .

Just give us a chance to prove it

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Carryfast:
Realistically the whole thing is a cluster zb of epic proportions.We’ve got a pro EU and pro UK Federalist leader of an ideologically Unionist Federalist Party.

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IE realistically it’s impossible to see how we won’t be dragged into Merkel’s waiting trap by the SNP vote allied to the pro EU Con and Lab vote.In which case we are probably lumbered with the EU unless we can also ditch the UK in favour of English independence bearing in mind that the Scottish vote might well be the difference between the UK staying in or England getting out.In either case the EU referendum will be inextricably linked to the issue of the breakup of the UK assuming either case.Assuming England finds itself taken in on the basis of the Scottish vote or vice versa in the case of Scotland being taken out on the basis of the English vote.
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100% correct .

isnt it hilarious watching these politicians tie themselves in knots trying to reconcile their EU positions with their parties inherent dogma tho !

however…

there are only 2 options to have a fair referendum on EU :

either have a referendum on the composition of UK first

or

have each component country having an individual referendum on EU separately from each other , and slicing UK up according to the results .

because , as CF rightly points out , the votes of Scotland and NI could be decisive in a cliff hanger . and i am sure we will never get another vote on EU . if we do vote yes the EU will take it as a vote for admitting Turkey and Ukraine and Albania and Serbia . also as a greenlight for establishing direct EU income tax to replace countries agreeing a budget and contributions . an EU military will be back on the table , as will EU foreign policy and rotating seat on UN security council .

worst of all England will be lumbered with whinging Scots for evermore , because scots alone wont freely vote to leave UK as it would risk their precious EU membership , just like last time .

these are the kind of arguments that farage and adams and corbin should be making ,

but they wont as they are all comfortable members of establisment , with no interest in the blue collared englishman .

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Leaving the EU is the key to ending austerity. Now, the SNP are supposed to be the strongest “Anti Austerity” party. They took Labour’s seats for them not being “Anti” enough after all.

The money being wasted on EU donations and Foreign aid donations - pales into insignificance when totting up the cost of “foreign wars” that we half-heartedly get involved in.

In my mind, we shouldn’t ever get involved in a war - unless it involves us getting huge tracts of land handed to the UK as dominion rather than just a whole bunch of displaced population - making it a lose/lose proposition.

We shouldn’t donate net money to Europe, because the simple reason is - if we LOSE out of it - Why TF are we even involved?

Do any of the folks at home “feel the need to donate money to bookmakers to support UK racing” for example?
Some things in life don’t warrant our donations ever - Bookmakers and the EU are two of them. :angry:

Cameron might yet try and swing the British public behind him to “Stay In” if he either threatens us with “Tax Rises if we leave” or “Tax cuts if we stay”.
We can’t afford it. If there isn’t enough money to end Austerity in the interim - there isn’t enough to bribe us all with either.

MPs expenses and the Westminster Paedo investigations have meanwhile quietly been shelved.
The UK is supposed to be in the ascendant as far as the Economy is concerned.
Well, the UK might well be a goldmine for new arrivals from abroad, getting either a job and/or benefits from day one as it stands.
Anyone could stand on the street corner as a self-employed nose picker - and claim full tax credits to top up their near £0.00p wages they’d get from such a made-up job.

The only way to stop politicians selling us down the river - is to punish them for each and every day the UK as a nation is made to face the wrong way in anything political whatsoever.

The only way the British Public are going to be convinced to vote “Stay in the EU” is Fear. Telling the truth won’t work. Lying to us might not work either.
That just leaves good old “Fear”.

“Let us shaft you gently forever… Isn’t that better than a possibility of being killed outright by the unknown? Fear the unknown. You know it makes sense. Vote for the Status Quo. Vote to Stay in the EU for “more of the same”. The Devil you know is the best option now, and for the foreseeable future. UKIP winning no new seats proves it.”

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boredwivdrivin:

The-Snowman:
Dont listen to the SNP mouth pieces and think that the whole of Scotland is behind them and in agreement with what they spout

Why should the English care about your internal politics ?
Especially when we have suffered a totally unelected in England , cockeyed scottish chancellor and PM for sharp end of 15 years …

Have your oil and free tuition fees and free prescriptions and parliament and EU hegemony and syrian and bulpolhunrom refugees…
But dont expect me to pay for it. .

Quite why the Scots need a parliament but decided that the Welsh are only worthy of an assembly , and the English worthy of no representation at all is a indicator of their arrogance .

We are all in the UK club …
But scots are not welcome .

Don’t be jealous now, you can have some refugees to :unamused: . It will be funny to see British immigrants from the continent been ask to leave as their country is no longer EU member.
The funnies thing will be UK break up and England left alone outside EU, while Scotland is allowed in, Northern Ireland want its independence, oh boy that will be hilarious :laughing:
Balkanisation of United Kingdom one o one :smiley:

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boredwivdrivin:

The-Snowman:
Dont listen to the SNP mouth pieces and think that the whole of Scotland is behind them and in agreement with what they spout

Why should the English care about your internal politics ?
Especially when we have suffered a totally unelected in England , cockeyed scottish chancellor and PM for sharp end of 15 years …

Have your oil and free tuition fees and free prescriptions and parliament and EU hegemony and syrian and bulpolhunrom refugees…
But dont expect me to pay for it. .

Quite why the Scots need a parliament but decided that the Welsh are only worthy of an assembly , and the English worthy of no representation at all is a indicator of their arrogance .

We are all in the UK club …
But scots are not welcome .

Aw diddums. Dry your eyes pet.
YOU say Scots are not welcome. But unfortunately for you, the way Cameron and co acted during the whole Scottish independence debate was proof enough that the Government (who at that time had an unelected ENGLISH prime minister) doesnt feel the same way. The way they were so dead against a yes vote tells me there is something Scotland has that is extremelly important and is needed for the UK as a whole. They practically bent over and promised all sorts to get us to stay. That coupled with them getting all their big business pals to issue scare stories and scare mongering about job losses with companies moving down south to frighten people into voting no is an indicator of just how much they (and by association YOU) need us. I have no idea what it is as I dont follow politics all that much but what I can tell by reading between the lines is its pretty important what Scotland brings to the table and extends WAY beyond your own petty hatred/jealousy
So you should start being a bit nicer to us

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Throughout the entire EU and Immigration debate - NO one seems to have cottoned onto the fact that there’s pretty much bugger-all we can do about those immigrants already here.
Concentrate on “getting them integrated” then. Any attempts to deport them will only make more go underground.

We should concentrate on criminalizing ONLY those that are here illegally. That would be those that were not originally from the EU, but passed through the EU to become illegal immigrants to the UK.

Doesn’t anyone else on here talk to their long-standing immigrant colleagues - to hear them spitting blood at the “newcomers of now” that THEY cannot stand?!

Immigrants that have already been here 10-20 years or so have (1) Learned our language, (2) Pay our taxes, (3) Joined our institutions and even (4) Brought some unattached women of their own with them.

Now compare our Utopian immigrant friends to the dross that is near 0% unattached female, pay no bloody taxes at all, but somehow qualify for tax credits (EU edict) WON’T join our institutions, and even after having been here a while - play the “no speke English” card whenever they are asked anything awkward…

The pollsters are counting all immigrants as being “voters FOR staying in the EU”… They don’t even consider that the decent immigrants lose as much out of being in the EU as the rest of the workforce - and the fact that the “new arrivals” can hard be voting to stay in - if they’ve gone to ground, and are hiding from the authorities - can they?

The split is supposed to be neck and neck as it stands. I doubt that very much. The number of “stay in” votes has been grossly over-estimated with the above reasons I’ve given just being the tip of the iceberg.

The forthcoming referendum vote being denied to 16 & 17 year olds (the most affected by any changes here) speaks volumes too… Those youngsters who find they cannot get that job in the library, student bar, sweet shop, or other casual retail job anywhere - 'cos some jemile-come-lately got in there first are NOT going to be voting “Stay In”, so let’s push down the “anti” vote by denying them the vote eh? Great. :angry:

The older generation are not really affected by any of this, and are most likely to vote in a “status quo” fashion, and sleepwalk us into “more of the same forever” - IF we don’t get out there and out-vote them instead! :bulb:

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Great post and points Winseer, I don’t know about UK, but US is great place for immigrants, no one care where you from, what is the color of your skin. Just do your job properly and learn the language.
There is a tv report every Sunday on the local channel about successful and not so much Bulgarians in US. Entrepreneurs, doctors, lorry drivers etc. They all said they were welcomed and were left alone to improve their business. One guy who was an immigrant to Germany won green card and moved to US, now he has huge transport company that move mostly expensive cars and cargo, who hires a lot of local Americans. The same person was never given a chance in Germany like in the State and many time the Germans were calling him with their special word for foreigners.
It seems we in Europe(many Bulgarians to) are a bit narrow minded and xenophobe at times.
One thing thou, I can’t see how muslims from the Middle East, Africa and Asia will ever integrate. This immigrants are from totally different culture and religion and should never be allowed in EU. There is already home grown terrorist in all major European countries.

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Dolph:
Great post and points Winseer, I don’t know about UK, but US is great place for immigrants, no one care where you from, what is the color of your skin. Just do your job properly and learn the language.
There is a tv report every Sunday on the local channel about successful and not so much Bulgarians in US. Entrepreneurs, doctors, lorry drivers etc. They all said they were welcomed and were left alone to improve their business. One guy who was an immigrant to Germany won green card and moved to US, now he has huge transport company that move mostly expensive cars and cargo, who hires a lot of local Americans. The same person was never given a chance in Germany like in the State and many time the Germans were calling him with their special word for foreigners.
It seems we in Europe(many Bulgarians to) are a bit narrow minded and xenophobe at times.
One thing thou, I can’t see how muslims from the Middle East, Africa and Asia will ever integrate. This immigrants are from totally different culture and religion and should never be allowed in EU. There is already home grown terrorist in all major European countries.

We could actually make it a rule that you be an apostate when coming here from a Muslim country of origin. We keep hearing how such non-EU migrants are “in danger, should they return to their old country”… Hmm. Well becoming an apostate gets one put on a fatwa in more than one Muslim country as it is… If one is going to play the “Oppressed at home” card - then at least they could live up to it by actually becoming an apostate for real on arrival to the UK?

Eat this bacon sandwich fellah…

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Dolph:
but US is great place for immigrants, no one care where you from, what is the color of your skin.

Oh really? :laughing:

disclaimer: don’t care about the arguments of either side, just thought it was funny

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That pose reminds me of good old Late Great Kenny Everett as Brother Lee Love…

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My daughter has just pointed out to me that if you type in “loser.com” into the URL bar at the top of your page - it sends you to the Wiki Bio of the other guy depicted in the post before this one above… :smiley:

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Winseer:
We could actually make it a rule that you be an apostate when coming here from a Muslim country of origin. We keep hearing how such non-EU migrants are “in danger, should they return to their old country”… Hmm. Well becoming an apostate gets one put on a fatwa in more than one Muslim country as it is… If one is going to play the “Oppressed at home” card - then at least they could live up to it by actually becoming an apostate for real on arrival to the UK?

Eat this bacon sandwich fellah…

It would be more likely that the ‘apostate’ in question would be exercising the Koran’s teaching of taqiyya,as part of the duty of Jihad,to fool the bleeding heart pro immigration agenda here,than to want to integrate themselves into our alien society. :unamused:

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Winseer:
My daughter has just pointed out to me that if you type in “loser.com” into the URL bar at the top of your page - it sends you to the Wiki Bio of the other guy depicted in the post before this one above… :smiley:

Typical case of deluded Obama supporters living in glass houses chucking stones at anyone they regard as their opposition. :unamused:

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is it possible for a person to dislike both trump and obama or would that develop a glitch in the matrix?

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milodon:
is it possible for a person to dislike both trump and obama or would that develop a glitch in the matrix?

I don’t think that many of those who dislike Trump support his ideas concerning immigration but just don’t trust his motives.Which would more or less be the only scenario which fits the idea of disliking both.Ted Cruz seems more like the real deal in that regard. :bulb:

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Carryfast:

Winseer:
We could actually make it a rule that you be an apostate when coming here from a Muslim country of origin. We keep hearing how such non-EU migrants are “in danger, should they return to their old country”… Hmm. Well becoming an apostate gets one put on a fatwa in more than one Muslim country as it is… If one is going to play the “Oppressed at home” card - then at least they could live up to it by actually becoming an apostate for real on arrival to the UK?

Eat this bacon sandwich fellah…

It would be more likely that the ‘apostate’ in question would be exercising the Koran’s teaching of taqiyya,as part of the duty of Jihad,to fool the bleeding heart pro immigration agenda here,than to want to integrate themselves into our alien society. :unamused:

If you are an apostate - you ain’t gonna be doing “The Koran” anything… :unamused: :bulb:

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Winseer:

Carryfast:
It would be more likely that the ‘apostate’ in question would be exercising the Koran’s teaching of taqiyya,as part of the duty of Jihad,to fool the bleeding heart pro immigration agenda here,than to want to integrate themselves into our alien society. :unamused:

If you are an apostate - you ain’t gonna be doing “The Koran” anything… :unamused: :bulb:

If it’s a Jihadist going by taqqiya they’ll happily pretend to be an apostate while eating a bacon sandwich and drinking a cold beer or two. :unamused:

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The-Snowman:
… The way they were so dead against a yes vote tells me there is something Scotland has that is extremely important and is needed for the UK as a whole. They practically bent over and promised all sorts to get us to stay…

dear dear dear .

im used to you prattling on about things that you are totally clueless about . but this takes the deep fried mars bar .

of course Scotland is important to the UK as a whole you tartan plank !

the UK is defined as 4 main countries on 2 main islands . if Scotland is kicked out then only 3/4 of UK remain !! the Uk will be dead , and good riddance .

clearly i have never argued otherwise . i have only argued for Breaking Up the UK and letting constituent parts go their own merry way .EU members or otherwise; their choice .

because Scotland is important to UK , BUT Scotland is NOT important to England !!

rather its a millstone of whingers and graspers around our necks .

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as the conversation has taken a US turn , lets hear what this yank has to say

"“Boris Johnson has said the UK has a “great, great future” outside the EU if it doesn’t secure the reform it needs.
The London Mayor said his preference was to remain part of a reformed EU but is waiting to see the outcome of David Cameron’s current renegotiation.
He said: “If we can’t get the reform we need Britain has a great, great future elsewhere and outside.””

:: bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e … m-35247504