In or out of EU ? Poll

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Dolph:
In US I worked with great many Eastern Europeans - Bulgarians, Serbians, Poles, all great drivers.
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In US I worked with great many Eastern Europeans - Bulgarians, Serbians, Poles, all great drivers.

heres a thought :

the US doesnt just let PolBulRomHuns enter their country willy nilly .

they need visas , criminal checks and jobs to go to .

even the most Euro loving nutjobs , such as yourself , must agree that is a totally different situation to Englands present relationship with said PolBulRomHuns ■■?

TheYoungTrucker:
Sawyers transport sent home almost 30 drivers from Bulgaria in the past few weeks, the reason, they gained there license through grandfather rights in there own country, they never ever sat a driving test in a hgv, the insurance companys wont insure them anymore,…

i am glad you mention this . i cannot verify your claim , but sounds totally believable

a year or so ago i had to show this BulRom type bum the ropes . he could not drive at all , and had no idea how to pick up trailer etc . he was quite fun tho and as speaking to him later he told me he had only passed a car licence test . his LGV licence had been aquired thru means of bunging his mayor a baksheesh . but it was a legitimate licence and entitled him to drive LGV in EU . he just had never taken any training or test .

and before that whilst working for large german owned firm , a couple of poles were found to have invalid licences . this was only uncovered when firm started checking licences thru DVLA website . there was no record of those licences ever being legitimately issued , even tho they were not forgeries . they were eventually ’ let go’ but were not reported to police for fraud . and they had been working there for some years .

but of course these EU crazies will say its our fault . we should have ID cards etc .we should burn the borders . we are not integrated fully in EU project .

and on top of all that nonsense there is the issue of cars !! there is foreign registered car thats being used from my flats carpark since last xmas : no tax , no insurance , no MOT and who knows if the driver is licenced ■■
i kid you not , the person driving it is a bloody pensioner !! i cant say he claims a pension but pretty sure hes not working .
so we going out to work to pay a lithuanian pension !!

but i realise im just a racist who is too old to have been indoctrinated in EU political correctness . im just a little englander who cant accept the multitude of benefits EU membership brings me . im just an off message free thinker who is set in my ways .

trouble is Mr EU , im in the majority !!
and if leaving this heaving bureaucratic self propagating nightmare makes me a few quid worse off , then great im still in favour of leaving .

the sooner the better

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Carryfast:

Winseer:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
There’s zero chance of reversing the immigration already done.

WHY then does everyone bang on about THAT when it’s like trying to get the genii back in the bottle?

That’s only the case so long as people are happy to go along with the Socialists calling anyone who disagrees with that idea ‘racists’. :unamused:

A Nationalist and Socialist is surely a ■■■■ by any other name… Bit of “pot calling kettle black” then as far as the SNP banging on about anyone other than themselves being “Racist” then eh?

They can’t even say “Sassenach” without hawking… :unamused:

I think the term goes along the lines show me someone who says that a nationalist can also be a socialist I’ll show you a liar. :bulb: :wink:

So Adolf Hitler lied. Meanwhile, Adolf Eichmann came up with the Final Solution that killed millions…

The Labour “Momentum” online propaganda machine is what scares me nowdays… They are equivalent to Hitler’s party henchmen - who both thought up and implemented the most ghastly of “National Socialist” policies - lies or not. :bulb: :open_mouth:

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boredwivdrivin:

Dolph:
In US I worked with great many Eastern Europeans - Bulgarians, Serbians, Poles, all great drivers.
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In US I worked with great many Eastern Europeans - Bulgarians, Serbians, Poles, all great drivers.

heres a thought :

the US doesnt just let PolBulRomHuns enter their country willy nilly .

they need visas , criminal checks and jobs to go to .

even the most Euro loving nutjobs , such as yourself , must agree that is a totally different situation to Englands present relationship with said PolBulRomHuns ■■?

You are right there I agree, especially when comes to gypsy beggers :imp:
Just don’t put us all under one belt.

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dolph why dont u consentrate making ur country… and not mine i dont care what happens after we leave the eu …can u please tell me how much bulgaria puts in2 the eu each day…were as we the BRITISH tax payers put in wait for it 55 million ££££££££££££££££££££££££ a ■■■■■■■ day …all the eu is corrupt from top o bottom… :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

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boredwivdrivin:

Dolph:
In US I worked with great many Eastern Europeans - Bulgarians, Serbians, Poles, all great drivers.
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In US I worked with great many Eastern Europeans - Bulgarians, Serbians, Poles, all great drivers.

heres a thought :

the US doesnt just let PolBulRomHuns enter their country willy nilly .

they need visas , criminal checks and jobs to go to .

even the most Euro loving nutjobs , such as yourself , must agree that is a totally different situation to Englands present relationship with said PolBulRomHuns ■■?

TheYoungTrucker:
Sawyers transport sent home almost 30 drivers from Bulgaria in the past few weeks, the reason, they gained there license through grandfather rights in there own country, they never ever sat a driving test in a hgv, the insurance companys wont insure them anymore,…

i am glad you mention this . i cannot verify your claim , but sounds totally believable

a year or so ago i had to show this BulRom type bum the ropes . he could not drive at all , and had no idea how to pick up trailer etc . he was quite fun tho and as speaking to him later he told me he had only passed a car licence test . his LGV licence had been aquired thru means of bunging his mayor a baksheesh . but it was a legitimate licence and entitled him to drive LGV in EU . he just had never taken any training or test .

and before that whilst working for large german owned firm , a couple of poles were found to have invalid licences . this was only uncovered when firm started checking licences thru DVLA website . there was no record of those licences ever being legitimately issued , even tho they were not forgeries . they were eventually ’ let go’ but were not reported to police for fraud . and they had been working there for some years .

but of course these EU crazies will say its our fault . we should have ID cards etc .we should burn the borders . we are not integrated fully in EU project .

and on top of all that nonsense there is the issue of cars !! there is foreign registered car thats being used from my flats carpark since last xmas : no tax , no insurance , no MOT and who knows if the driver is licenced ■■
i kid you not , the person driving it is a bloody pensioner !! i cant say he claims a pension but pretty sure hes not working .
so we going out to work to pay a lithuanian pension !!

but i realise im just a racist who is too old to have been indoctrinated in EU political correctness . im just a little englander who cant accept the multitude of benefits EU membership brings me . im just an off message free thinker who is set in my ways .

trouble is Mr EU , im in the majority !!
and if leaving this heaving bureaucratic self propagating nightmare makes me a few quid worse off , then great im still in favour of leaving .

the sooner the better

well said …

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drhs:
dolph why dont u consentrate making ur country… and not mine i dont care what happens after we leave the eu …can u please tell me how much bulgaria puts in2 the eu each day…were as we the BRITISH tax payers put in wait for it 55 million ££££££££££££££££££££££££ a [zb] day …all the eu is corrupt from top o bottom… :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

I wish I can, actually Im tired of trying that, many others to. With corrupt politicians who don’t listen and don’t care and foreign owned economy we cant change anything.

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Winseer:

Carryfast:
I think the term goes along the lines show me someone who says that a nationalist can also be a socialist I’ll show you a liar. :bulb: :wink:

So Adolf Hitler lied. Meanwhile, Adolf Eichmann came up with the Final Solution that killed millions…

The Labour “Momentum” online propaganda machine is what scares me nowdays… They are equivalent to Hitler’s party henchmen - who both thought up and implemented the most ghastly of “National Socialist” policies - lies or not. :bulb: :open_mouth:

Yes the whole ■■■■ Party was based on the lie that Socialism can be reconciled with Nationalism.IE Nationalism is all about the idea of friends with fences in the form of sovereign national boundaries and the recognition of the right of self determination for all.With respect and celebration of the the world’s different ethnic groups and cultures being part of that.

While Socialism is all about Federalisation and social engineering and the antithesis of the nation state and self determination.Whether it’s the Soviet Union,the EU,or Hitler’s thousand year Reich.Together with the integration of the world’s different ethnic groups and cultures or genocide on the basis of some being superior to others.

As for the fear of Labour being nazis.I’d guess they fit more into the Federalist world without borders ethnic integrationist end of the Socialist spectrum than Hitler’s genocidal thousand year Reich version.The common link being don’t trust anyone who says that Nationalist can also mean Socialist because the two ideologies are a world apart.On that note the SNP are a far more dangerous political group in that regard in trying to hijack Scottish Nationalist feeling in order to further Merkel’s and Junker’s Socialist Federalist ambitions for Europe.

On that note Labour’s Momentum mob are ideologically Federalist and Socialist anti nation state nutters and they’ll tell that like it is.Unlike the SNP who just like Hitler are trying to hijack the Nationalist vote for a Socialist agenda. :bulb:

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These incedents sum up the EU for me…
Ive been working as a transport subbie at a factory in the Midlands. Its been there for years.
A while ago it was purchased by a German Co.

They decided to close the place build a new factory in Germany partially equiped by the plant being used in UK.

So over the last few months every couple of weeks German engineers would turn up, and would blag some machinary, drop it on mainly Lithuanian trucks and off it would go to its new home in Germany.
All of this in front of the UK workforce who now have been booted out onto the dole for Christmas.

For me the EU will never work because the Germans will always do whats best for Germany, the French for France etc.
All the illigal migrants in Calais ? Why dont the French attempt to deport them. No need they give a gallic shrug because as far as they are concerned its a UK problem because thats where they all want to go.
Remember a few years ago French Farmers burning trucks with UK meat on them ? Again bugger all done by French authorities.

Why were the Spanish given (our) EU money to build 1000s of homes nobody wants, leading to ghosts towns ? Yet at the same time theres a cronic shortage of homes here in the UK. Again made worse by unhindered mass imigration.

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Secretelephant:
These incedents sum up the EU for me…
Ive been working as a transport subbie at a factory in the Midlands. Its been there for years.
A while ago it was purchased by a German Co.

They decided to close the place build a new factory in Germany partially equiped by the plant being used in UK.

So over the last few months every couple of weeks German engineers would turn up, and would blag some machinary, drop it on mainly Lithuanian trucks and off it would go to its new home in Germany.
All of this in front of the UK workforce who now have been booted out onto the dole for Christmas.

For me the EU will never work because the Germans will always do whats best for Germany

Our EU membership was actually based on Heath’s unwarranted fears of more ‘war’ with Germany if we didn’t appease it economically.

While ‘if’ the EU was as good for workers’ rights as Labour tries to paint it that situation would obviously be subject to an EU wide redundancy regime.In which the UK workforce would have to be given the choice of keeping their jobs by moving to Germany with relocation expenses paid. :bulb:

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EU referendum: David Cameron hints vote could be held summer 2016
David Cameron has signalled that the UK will stage its referendum on membership of the European Union in 2016 and made clear his view that continued membership is vital not just to economic security but to the fight against international terrorism.

theguardian.com/politics/201 … ext-summer

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This is obviously a hot topic on here judging by the reaction, Cameron does not want to leave, however he promised the referendum so now he is forced into it really, this is one of the reason’s why he wanted to include young people, theres millions of young second generation immigrants in the uk how would all vote along with there parents to stay in the eu. Any uk trucker should be voting out, they may well be saving the uk trucking industry by doing so. Could you imagine if sabotage rules where lifted, all you have to do to imagine is, take a look at the continental scene.

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Dolph:
EU referendum: David Cameron hints vote could be held summer 2016
David Cameron has signalled that the UK will stage its referendum on membership of the European Union in 2016 and made clear his view that continued membership is vital not just to economic security but to the fight against international terrorism.

theguardian.com/politics/201 … ext-summer

It’s no secret that Cameron is on the side of the in campaign and a committed federalist just like Heath and Thatcher were.Although no one really joins the Cons unless they have at least some Federalist sympathies in line with its Unionist ideology.It’s my guess that the issue could really heat up as we get closer to the so called ‘promised’ referendum and we see Cameron showing his true colours in trying to back track on that promise.Probably to the point where the Cons implode in a pro v anti EU fight among themselves in which Cameron’s leadership becomes untenable.At which point we can then sort out the real issue being first and foremost that of sovereignty over all of the decision making process.Which has conveniently been sidelined in Cameron’s sham of so called calls for ‘reform’ in our relationship with the EU.

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TheYoungTrucker:
This is obviously a hot topic on here judging by the reaction, Cameron does not want to leave, however he promised the referendum so now he is forced into it really,

Cameron’s agenda is probably more a case of him saying one thing to fool the electorate and doing another.Just like the foregone conclusion of Heathrow Expansion and potential Green Belt development.Which in this case probably translates as his ‘reform’ ‘negotiations’ being along the lines of a diversionary tactic.In which he supports the idea of a Federal Europe and knows there’s no way that he’ll go through with the ‘promise’ of a referendum without either being forced out by his internal anti EU side and/or being given a clear behind closed doors go ahead concerning the polls and in campaign propaganda virtually guaranteeing an in campaign win.

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Out

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TheYoungTrucker:
This is obviously a hot topic on here judging by the reaction, Cameron does not want to leave, however he promised the referendum so now he is forced into it really, this is one of the reason’s why he wanted to include young people, theres millions of young second generation immigrants in the uk how would all vote along with there parents to stay in the eu. Any uk trucker should be voting out, they may well be saving the uk trucking industry by doing so. Could you imagine if sabotage rules where lifted, all you have to do to imagine is, take a look at the continental scene.

Selling the “stay in” vote to both parliament and the wider public - will be Cameron’s “Dodgy Dossier”.

He has no chance of ‘winning’ it unless he lies through his teeth, in a believable way - just as Blair did over the Iraq WMD.

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Big fail on Italian, French and British authorities. The message is clear - come to UK, we will grant you status, give you benefits etc.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … month.html

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Dolph:
Big fail on Italian, French and British authorities. The message is clear - come to UK, we will grant you status, give you benefits etc.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … month.html

Blimey shock,horror,surprise the Mail has only just realised that Cameron and the Cons are no different to Merkel and Hollande regards the immigration issue.Just for different reasons.IE Socialism in the case of Merkel and Hollande and cheap labour in the case of Cameron and the Cons. :unamused:

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Dolph:
EU referendum: David Cameron hints vote could be held summer 2016

Cameron made the assumption that the four demands would be accepted with ease, therefore claiming to have worked the oracle in getting the EU powers to see it his way. He failed because the EU will not bow down even though the four demands were worthless in that they would essentially result in no change to the EU. There were no questions concerning the security of our borders, nothing about the CAP, nothing about fisheries, nothing about returning powers to our Parliament, and nothing about reclaiming primacy over EU law.

June or July is the favourite date, before the migrant summer rush. :wink:

David Cameron has signalled that the UK will stage its referendum on membership of the European Union in 2016 and made clear his view that continued membership is vital . . . to economic security . . .

Prof. Patrick Minford, professor of Applied Economics at Cardiff Business School, has revealed in testimony to the House of Commons Foreign Affairs select committee that the cost of living for those in the United Kingdom would drop by eight per cent “on day one” if Britain leaves the EU.

The session on the costs and benefits of the UK’s membership of the European Union took place on November 3rd. Prof. Patrick Minford said that Britain would actually be more well off as a nation if we left the EU.

He explains we dont even need trade deals, in fact the world price of goods is the best and thats what makes us 8% better off as we are no longer forced to buy expensive things from within the EU protectionist customs union.

Only the EU and countries with vested interests would try to get a trade deal with us. The ‘cut off from trade deals’ argument was the only thing the pro-EU mob had left, and prof Minford shows its completely not true.

The MP Nadhim Zahawi gets so annoyed at the fact his flawed arguments are proved wrong by Prof Minford he walks out of the room halfway through. :laughing:

His response to the EU’s ‘influence’ argument is sheer common sense Why try to influence an EU protectionist market to be a bit more liberal at the expense of our own liberal market and national interest.

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It hasn’t even begun to get nasty yet, but it will . . .

The BBC are planning a hour-long documentary on British euroscepticism in the weeks leading up to the referendum.

Producers insist “we are not aiming to make any political statements”. Yet it is being presented by rabble-rousing lefty Jacques Peretti, who Leave campaigners say is a “serial fit-up merchant”.

Leave.EU asks: “Why on earth are the BBC airing a programme on eurosceptic voters two weeks before the referendum hosted by a left-wing filmmaker who says Jeremy Corbyn is the future?”

The Beeb wouldn’t do anything to breach their strict impartiality guidelines so close to the vote, would they? :unamused:

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Stanley Knife:

Dolph:
EU referendum: David Cameron hints vote could be held summer 2016

Cameron made the assumption that the four demands would be accepted with ease, therefore claiming to have worked the oracle in getting the EU powers to see it his way. He failed because the EU will not bow down even though the four demands were worthless in that they would essentially result in no change to the EU. There were no questions concerning the security of our borders, nothing about the CAP, nothing about fisheries, nothing about returning powers to our Parliament, and nothing about reclaiming primacy over EU law.

June or July is the favourite date, before the migrant summer rush. :wink:

David Cameron has signalled that the UK will stage its referendum on membership of the European Union in 2016 and made clear his view that continued membership is vital . . . to economic security . . .

Prof. Patrick Minford, professor of Applied Economics at Cardiff Business School, has revealed in testimony to the House of Commons Foreign Affairs select committee that the cost of living for those in the United Kingdom would drop by eight per cent “on day one” if Britain leaves the EU.

The session on the costs and benefits of the UK’s membership of the European Union took place on November 3rd. Prof. Patrick Minford said that Britain would actually be more well off as a nation if we left the EU.

He explains we dont even need trade deals, in fact the world price of goods is the best and thats what makes us 8% better off as we are no longer forced to buy expensive things from within the EU protectionist customs union.

Only the EU and countries with vested interests would try to get a trade deal with us. The ‘cut off from trade deals’ argument was the only thing the pro-EU mob had left, and prof Minford shows its completely not true.

The MP Nadhim Zahawi gets so annoyed at the fact his flawed arguments are proved wrong by Prof Minford he walks out of the room halfway through. :laughing:

His response to the EU’s ‘influence’ argument is sheer common sense Why try to influence an EU protectionist market to be a bit more liberal at the expense of our own liberal market and national interest.

This is the argument for leaving that makes no sense.We actually need more protectionist policies to get our own domestic manufacturing sector back to where it was pre 1973.While just replacing EU imports with even more cheap far eastern ones will just result in the in campaign scare tactics,of more job losses in the domestic economy,being realised. :unamused: