Dolph:
You are absolutely correct, you don’t have to be commie/socialist to want better relation/cooperation with Russia(read resources) and EE. Im glad there is British people who use their brain cells.
‘Using our brain cells’ in this case obviously meaning following Farage’s and Le Pen’s foreign policy agenda rather than that of Merkel’s,Junker’s and Obama’s.
No, actually means following our(EU) interest and co-operate with Russia, sell them goods, product and produce, buy cheap oil and gas and screw US. Because UK is like a mirror image of US when comes to foreign policy, if you believe UK out of EU will not follow US demands you are dead wrong.
There’s nothing wrong with our old long standing alliance with America.Or being wary of the unstable shifting intentions of the slavic world as part of that.The bit that’s gone wrong is our unquestioning following of US policies and governmental system even when those policies and system are under the same type of questions in their own domestic setting.On that note Putin has more understanding regards his position on UKraine from those like Farage and Ron Paul than pro EU Cameron.
Dolph:
“Britain has always maintained - and will always maintain - our own borders,” [Cameron] said.
■■■■ right there Mr C. Nothing gets past our border controls . . . unless, of course, you’re a couple of notorious British extremists banned from leaving the UK without permission to travel. Good job the Hungarians were awake as they had managed to get that far without passports.
Stanley Knife:
Nothing gets past our border controls . . . unless, of course, you’re a couple of notorious British extremists banned from leaving the UK without permission to travel. Good job the Hungarians were awake as they had managed to get that far without passports.
Maybe the government thinks that it can de radicalise them by winning their hearts and minds here.
Rather than ignoring their human rights by blowing them up in Syria.Or maybe that was the plan until the Hungarians threw a spanner in the works.
““David Cameron insists he can reach a deal on benefit curbs for EU migrants despite the Polish prime minister saying the two countries did not see “eye-to-eye” on the issue.””
““Mrs Szydlo said she was also concerned about UK proposals to end the practice of sending child benefit overseas.””
Why isn’t more said about not the poles - but the jihadists claiming all this money?
Surely it makes more sense to cut off the money supply from those here to do us harm - rather than those over here to pay PAYE taxes?
NOT enough has ever been done to differentiate between “Good” immigrants and “Bad” ones.
For too long, we can’t criticize the criminal immigrant - because to do so gets branded as “a criticism of ALL immigrants” thus making it racist - despite decent immigrants being white, Christian, - and not under accusation…
I’ve never had any bother from “northern” immigrants let’s say… The trouble starts once one reaches “Turkey and beyond”…
That can’t be a coincidence.
Turkey should be “first port of call” for refugees. If Turkey doesn’t want them, then how about deporting them to Saudi Arabia, any gulf state, or America - that traditional home for the world’s runaways?
If Turkey is now acting a conduit for undesirables coming this way, not to mention black market oil sales - rather than a “buffer” - then surely it’s time to look again at Turkey’s future status both as a NATO member and fledgling EU member as well?
In a way, Donald Trump is “right” when he suggests that it’s time to actually look at what our own “Western Values” are. If they are incompatible with what the wider WORLD has become - then surely it’s time to re-invent the entire “Western Ethos”, since our current 20th Century model just isn’t working any more.
In the end, we can all learn from our political & social mistakes - or ultimately be destroyed by them.
Winseer:
Why isn’t more said about not the poles - but the jihadists claiming all this money?
Surely it makes more sense to cut off the money supply from those here to do us harm - rather than those over here to pay PAYE taxes?
NOT enough has ever been done to differentiate between “Good” immigrants and “Bad” ones.
For too long, we can’t criticize the criminal immigrant - because to do so gets branded as “a criticism of ALL immigrants” thus making it racist - despite decent immigrants being white, Christian, - and not under accusation…
I’ve never had any bother from “northern” immigrants let’s say… The trouble starts once one reaches “Turkey and beyond”…
That can’t be a coincidence.
Turkey should be “first port of call” for refugees. If Turkey doesn’t want them, then how about deporting them to Saudi Arabia, any gulf state, or America - that traditional home for the world’s runaways?
If Turkey is now acting a conduit for undesirables coming this way, not to mention black market oil sales - rather than a “buffer” - then surely it’s time to look again at Turkey’s future status both as a NATO member and fledgling EU member as well?
In a way, Donald Trump is “right” when he suggests that it’s time to actually look at what our own “Western Values” are. If they are incompatible with what the wider WORLD has become - then surely it’s time to re-invent the entire “Western Ethos”, since our current 20th Century model just isn’t working any more.
In the end, we can all learn from our political & social mistakes - or ultimately be destroyed by them.
Even at best EU immigration still creates the lose lose situation of adding demand for housing and social/health services.While adding to the labour supply and thereby actually increasing unemployment levels among the indigenous population and lowering wage levels and as a result reducing tax revenues.While adding to the social costs budget in the form of both in work top up benefits and having to support the unemployed.
As for the Islamic problem as Trump rightly says we’re putting our own western societies at risk.All to appease a deluded idealistic idea that the Islamic culture is supposedly compatible with more advanced western societies.
On that note no it isn’t racist to say that we need to halt and arguably reverse our immigration policies in general terms regardless of geographic area.
boredwivdrivin:
““David Cameron insists he can reach a deal on benefit curbs for EU migrants despite the Polish prime minister saying the two countries did not see “eye-to-eye” on the issue.””
““Mrs Szydlo said she was also concerned about UK proposals to end the practice of sending child benefit overseas.””
being told by the poles they will be upset if we stop paying benefits to bums living in poland .
how anyone can find any positives in the whole EU circus is beyond me
Its not EU fault, again talking non sense. Its your outdated benefit laws that allow people who work and pay taxes in UK to get child benefits, even if the child lives in another EU member state. EU is stating that you cant discriminate between EU nationals.
EU is not the circus, Britain is to a certain extend, more like schizophrenia patient actually. Because for long time UK refuse to change it’s mind/policies, but in the same time doesn’t want to leave the club. Not only that, but you want to change fundamental EU rules.
You blame every mishaps on EU.
During the Caliphate - it was a lot easier for wealth to rise to the top in Islamic Society than even nowdays, what with it’s Japanese “Just in Time” models and Jewish “Sky’s the limit - providing you’re the boss” models.
Both rely on being able to pay the minimums to those at the bottom, slightly more than minimums for the hard to replace staff at the bottom, and loadsamoney for every layer of multiple middle management that could ever possibly be thought of. When “The Buck Stops Here” - You want to be as far away from “Here” as possible, if you’re the one creaming off the millions.
That’s why there is such a gulf between rich and poor though - it’s got less to do with “Unemployment” and “Weak Economies” than with “Manufactured gap within one company”.
Over 13 pages of non truck related, oft repeated, self important, non relevant bollix on a truck forum, without being sent to Bully’s has to be some sort of record.
Next century British drivers on the waiting line for Schengen visa in order to enter France or Holland, in other words mainland Europe, yeah right.
Hahaha British Government is notorious of screwing working people. Without EU British people will be in a lot worst situation then today, but then you will have no one to blame for.
Its easier for me to copy-paste comment I agree with from a Brit:
Well andrew garner, you might then ask why it is the UK Government that has been the most determined opponent of the EU Social Chapter; Working Time Directive; and numerous other worker’s rights benefits enjoyed by the majority of other EU member states.
EU capitalists as you put it are actually far more socially considerate and believe in high wage economies such as Germany and France, Sweden, Denmark and the Benelux countries.
UK capitalists are the ones that are continually moaning about raising the minimum wage and having to provide their workforce with pensions and permanent terms of employment contracts.
If the UK does leave the EU why on earth does anyone imagine that workers are going to be better off? On the contrary the outsourcing of jobs and weakening of job protection rights will simply accelerate.
By all means advocate a Brexit, but do so on the basis of facts not fiction".
The working time directive has been used as an excuse to cut people’s pay that previously performed a lot of overtime. The OPT OUT of the Working Time Directive has been used by firms to run bent.
The only thing that will help the UK driver - is to lift the lid on wages by causing a GENUINE shortage of drivers. A Genuine shortage would lead to the process of proper price discovery in wages - meaning inflation-busting increments each and every year - until there are plentiful experienced drivers aged 25-35 flooding the industry. THAT will obviously take over a decade to achieve if we start NOW - so even a 5% wage increase per year for a decade would indeed see a 40 hour week for a driver paid around the £50k mark. Great if inflation OUTSIDE of the transport industry remains low… This is a risk however, as once out of the Eurozone - Inflation and with it Interest rates - are likely to rise as foreign backers decide that investing directly in the EU bypassing the UK - makes more sense for their cheap money.
Dolph:
Next century British drivers on the waiting line for Schengen visa in order to enter France or Holland, in other words mainland Europe, yeah right.
Hahaha British Government is notorious of screwing working people. Without EU British people will be in a lot worst situation then today, but then you will have no one to blame for.
Its easier for me to copy-paste comment I agree with from a Brit:
Well andrew garner, you might then ask why it is the UK Government that has been the most determined opponent of the EU Social Chapter; Working Time Directive; and numerous other worker’s rights benefits enjoyed by the majority of other EU member states.
EU capitalists as you put it are actually far more socially considerate and believe in high wage economies such as Germany and France, Sweden, Denmark and the Benelux countries.
UK capitalists are the ones that are continually moaning about raising the minimum wage and having to provide their workforce with pensions and permanent terms of employment contracts.
If the UK does leave the EU why on earth does anyone imagine that workers are going to be better off? On the contrary the outsourcing of jobs and weakening of job protection rights will simply accelerate.
By all means advocate a Brexit, but do so on the basis of facts not fiction".
Firstly there’s no way that the domestic economy and its workforce can create the required environment regards wage levels without going for a protected labour market and trading regime.While that needs sovereignty in the form of setting our own immigration policies and the ability to make trade deals which stop the issues of dumping and under cutting and which allow the caveats of tarrifs and import quotas to maintain a situation of trade balance.
As for the EU even supposedly being about workers rights then EU enlargement would obviously have included a compulsory harmonisation of prices and income levels at the highest west Euro common denominator.Thereby removing the incentive for East Euro economic migration.
Of course it can! - That’s what inflation does. If we never borrowed any more cash by issuing new bonds - I’d be agreeing with you here… But what chancellor in history has taken this approach?
None since 1800 at least… “Deficit Spending” is as old as “Income Tax”.
It looks like I’ve been wrong all along, the French national front party is exactly the same as ukip! Neither can win an election that gets them any power despite plenty support.
Winseer:
I do agree with that notion - disappointed as I find myself with FN’s lack of progress over there…
Bearing in mind we’re only comparing the local council type decision making regime elections I wouldn’t be as pessimistic about their chances where it matters in the national government/presidential elections.Going by the figures here it seems obvious that what’s needed is a similar type of ‘arrangement’ between the Union of the so called ‘Right’ and the FN as the Socialists have obviously done with the UMP/Republicans.
Wherever it goes in that regard I’d guess that we’re getting into the territory of a country that’s being hijacked by the Federalist/Socialist pro immigration cause and in which the immigrant vote is starting to distort the electoral system and the direction in which the indigenous community wish to go.At which point,just like throughout Europe,it’s no longer a question of so called ‘democracy’ but one of the self determination and definition of the French nation state itself with an inevitable,toxic, dangerous split developing,between the opposing sides.
IE the issues are that serious as to transcend the possibility of being sorted by the so called ‘democratic’ process.Which has now basically descended into a stalemate of immigrant vote self interest and its Socialist/Conservative appeasers v those who just want their country back.On that note the removal of sovereignty,deliberate disproportionate demographic change which dilutes the right of self determination of the indigenous community,and selling the economy out to the global free markets really isn’t a matter of democratic choice but just right v wrong.On the basis of the national interest,the important word in that being ‘national’ and the definition of same.
I wouldn’t have thought you could hijack a system that’s already in place. And how can the immigrant vote sway an election away from the indigenous population give the huge disparity of numbers involved? If the locals can’t ge bothered to vote, like some on here, who’s fault is that? Luckily in the French elections they did come out & vote. Face it, even they don’t want them running the place.
