tell me 1 positive thing for the working class english that has arisen from your arrival ■■?
boredwivdrivin:
tell me 1 positive thing for the working class english that has arisen from your arrival ■■?
You can’t or won’t write our name correctly 
and you expect respect■■?
Here is one: doctors, nurses and dentist living and working in UK, educated on behalf of the Bulgarian taxpayer.
boredwivdrivin:
i didnt generalise at alli said if bulgaris are any of those things we have to have them !!
you generalised by saying indian families have 15 kids .
BTW ive never voted for an incumbent uk government ,…
and ive never voted on EU expansion !!
its not your fault for escaping from backward country …
its not my fault you have been allowed to …
But we do need to put a stop to it now , and send you back to your lovely country
Then do it, what are you waiting for
P.S. Last time I checked abortion is illegal in India and many people have never herd of contraception. Yes I assume they have a lot of kids, because all Indians I have met in US had a lot of kids.
Winseer:
Don’t permit “asylum seekers” in unless they are under fatwa for being Apostates. Once an apostate, you can prove it by converting to any other non-Islamic religion upon arrival. Doff that bacon sandwich and ■■■■■ that beer…
Unfortunately Jihad would allow that ‘refugee’ to pass all those tests with flying colours.IE they’ve got carte blanche in that case to do whatever it takes to ‘deceive their enemies’. 
boredwivdrivin:
Dolph:
Not all Indians are educated pro British, English speaking, law abiding citizens etc.i never claimed they were .
but we are not in an idiotic open border alliance with india
with indias 9 million graduates per year we would be able to cherry pick the cream whose skills we may need .
unlike bulgarians where we have absorb them regardless . if they are drunks , criminals , no skills , no english , rapists , murderers ,racists , kiddy fiddlers , con men , pickpockets etc etc . we have to have them .
the only result is pressure on social services , criminal justice and downward wages .
there is no productivity gain and there is no positive outcome socially .
there is absolutely nothing positive to be gained for UK working classes by being in a tragic pointless alliance with bulgaria
There’s nothing to be gained ‘economically’ for the indigenous working class from all types of economic immigration wether it’s Asian,African,or East Euro.
However it would be fair to say that Islamic immigration presents a definite and clear breach of national security.In which case an alliance with the Balkan states in closing their borders is anything but pointless or tragic in that regard.The problem then being the socialist open door agenda that rules the EU.
Dolph:
Here is one: doctors, nurses and dentist living and working in UK, educated on behalf of the Bulgarian taxpayer.
not a good enough answer . i said 1 positive for working class english
there are barely enough bulgarian GPs to treat all the other bulgaris here .
gmc-uk.org/doctors/register/search_stats.asp
so tell me 1 positive thing for working class english that results from your being here ■■?
Carryfast:
There’s nothing to be gained ‘economically’ for the indigenous working class from all types of economic immigration wether it’s Asian,African,or East Euro.
in fact there is if they are dynamic , educated and resourceful .
the growth of US economy is a good example .
henry fords dad emigrated from ireland to US .
Carryfast:
However it would be fair to say that Islamic immigration presents a definite and clear breach of national security.In which case an alliance with the Balkan states in closing their borders is anything but pointless or tragic in that regard.The problem then being the socialist open door agenda that rules the EU.
i think hoping a baksheesh nation like bulgari will solve our terror problems is wishful thinking .
that , as i know you agree , can only be achieved by taking back control of our own borders .
we can then be selective about who we let in .
and we would also be wise to refuse all cases of asylum point blank , as we have no neighbour who generates them . it would in any case be impossible to accommodate the worlds asylum problems as the numbers are upwards of 3 billion . all of china could claim asylum here as it is a non democratic country with capital punishment . and all of the middle east and most of africa . clearly not possible .
boredwivdrivin:
Carryfast:
There’s nothing to be gained ‘economically’ for the indigenous working class from all types of economic immigration wether it’s Asian,African,or East Euro.in fact there is if they are dynamic , educated and resourceful .
the growth of US economy is a good example .
henry fords dad emigrated from ireland to US .
Carryfast:
However it would be fair to say that Islamic immigration presents a definite and clear breach of national security.In which case an alliance with the Balkan states in closing their borders is anything but pointless or tragic in that regard.The problem then being the socialist open door agenda that rules the EU.i think hoping a baksheesh nation like bulgari will solve our terror problems is wishful thinking .
that , as i know you agree , can only be achieved by taking back control of our own borders .
we can then be selective about who we let in .
and we would also be wise to refuse all cases of asylum point blank , as we have no neighbour who generates them . it would in any case be impossible to accommodate the worlds asylum problems as the numbers are upwards of 3 billion . all of china could claim asylum here as it is a non democratic country with capital punishment . and all of the middle east and most of africa . clearly not possible .
Ford was just another example of fact if you want a bright industrious population there’s no need to go to Asia or Africa to find it when what we’ve got at home,in the form of the indigenous populations of the British Isles,is as good as it gets.
As for the population thing great that’s what I’ve said.The boat is full we’re a small Island that can’t take on the emigrant populations of the massive Asian and African continents.Even if there was any point economically let alone, societally,which there isn’t.
As for stopping the Asian/Arabic Islamic invasion we’d do a lot better by stopping it at the Asian/Balkan Borders than within western Europe itself.Which in any case would mean ditching the EU and telling Merkel and Hollande ( and Cameron ) to do one.
Maybe Germany in particular will wake up one day and realize that the main reason that GB that they cannot afford to have leave the EU - Mainly want to leave BECAUSE of no border control in the wider EU…
If the EU closed it’s borders - they’d have a lot better chance of securing an “In” vote from us Brits…
Trouble is, the longer all this goes on - by the time any door is closed anywhere “horse already bolted” springs to mind. It will be too late when a holocaust on white indigenous Europeans is demanded by a Sharia-demanding majority all nice and democratic - just as the ■■■■ party was elected to power in Germany. People forget that the Nazis didn’t take power in a military coup, and their putsch merely resulted in Adolf being chucked in jail as well.
"You can pronounce the sentence a thousand times over
- But the Godess of Eternal History will smile and tear to shreds the Brief of the state prosecutor AND the sentence of this court, - For She Acquits us.
Condemn me.
Comdemn me. History will absolve…"
Winseer:
Trouble is, the longer all this goes on - by the time any door is closed anywhere “horse already bolted” springs to mind. It will be too late when a holocaust on white indigenous Europeans is demanded by a Sharia-demanding majority all nice and democratic
Ironically the idea that the ‘horse has already bolted’ is just acceptance of the pro immigration agenda having made the ‘repatriation’ word off limits by branding it ‘racist’.It’s ‘that’ ‘acceptance’,which creates at least as much probability of that type of demographic catastrophy becoming reality,as the open door immigration policy that put us in the situation to start with.
Carryfast:
Winseer:
Don’t permit “asylum seekers” in unless they are under fatwa for being Apostates. Once an apostate, you can prove it by converting to any other non-Islamic religion upon arrival. Doff that bacon sandwich and ■■■■■ that beer…Unfortunately Jihad would allow that ‘refugee’ to pass all those tests with flying colours.IE they’ve got carte blanche in that case to do whatever it takes to ‘deceive their enemies’.
How can anyone be a refugee if NOT under some kind of death threat?
I’d argue that the vast majority of them are bogus - being Economic migrants rather than actually running away from “Oppression”. That includes the “Oppression” of “not wanting to fight for your country following a draft” of course.
Winseer:
Carryfast:
Winseer:
Don’t permit “asylum seekers” in unless they are under fatwa for being Apostates. Once an apostate, you can prove it by converting to any other non-Islamic religion upon arrival. Doff that bacon sandwich and ■■■■■ that beer…Unfortunately Jihad would allow that ‘refugee’ to pass all those tests with flying colours.IE they’ve got carte blanche in that case to do whatever it takes to ‘deceive their enemies’.
How can anyone be a refugee if NOT under some kind of death threat?
I’d argue that the vast majority of them are bogus - being Economic migrants rather than actually running away from “Oppression”. That includes the “Oppression” of “not wanting to fight for your country following a draft” of course.
The point is ‘economic migrants’ are the least of our problems when we’ve got a now reasonably obvious invasion motivated as much if not more by Jihad and/or demographic takeover than a get rich quick move.Either and both of which need fixing by that combination of saying enough no more and many will need to go home.
As it stands the whole lot is turning into a cluster zb of epic proportions.In that we’ve got an EU sleep walking into a possible WW3 situation v Russia in addition to getting sidetracked by an Islamic agenda which seems to be making a great job of playing US v Russian hostility off against both.On that note with Turkey and its nutter zb Syrian Turkmen anti Assad Jihadist mob as a NATO ‘ally’,let alone prospective EU member,who needs IS as an enemy. 
In which case the Syrian ‘refugee’ problem might well be partly because of the fear of wether Russia decides to nuke the Turkish Syrian border lands before we decide to nuke ISIS.
The obvious solution to Turkey right now is for Russia to annex the region already occupied by the Kurds, and then promptly hand it over to the Kurds as their new homeland.
Turkey won’t be able to do anything about it - if Russian military stay in the region to “assist their new state ally”.
The rest of the world are supposed to be in favour of giving the Kurds a homeland too - it’s only Turkey’s objection that this hasn’t happened already.
What’s happened to Russia now justifies them hitting everything “not Assad” in Syria with a sledgehammer otherwise.
I don’t know what kind of idiot game Turkey are playing here - but it smacks of the Turk one sees at the Card room who has a habit of stealing pots by shoving with AQo - only to be called by a brave pair or a hand that dominates - which is what they might well have done by provoking Russia.
NATO are more likely to cut Turkey loose - than go to WWIII over their bull.
Suddenly, “Removing Assad” pales into insignificance…
Turkmen in Syria giving away their presence as effective Mercenaries working for ISIS doesn’t help their own situation there either.
Putin has already declared that Turkey are the ones buying all the ISIS oil…
All in all, it seems that Turkish interests have shown them up to be part of the problem rather than the solution.
They’ve flipped places with Assad.
You couldn’t make it up!
Winseer:
The obvious solution to Turkey right now is for Russia to annex the region already occupied by the Kurds, and then promptly hand it over to the Kurds as their new homeland.Turkey won’t be able to do anything about it - if Russian military stay in the region to “assist their new state ally”.
The rest of the world are supposed to be in favour of giving the Kurds a homeland too - it’s only Turkey’s objection that this hasn’t happened already.
What’s happened to Russia now justifies them hitting everything “not Assad” in Syria with a sledgehammer otherwise.I don’t know what kind of idiot game Turkey are playing here - but it smacks of the Turk one sees at the Card room who has a habit of stealing pots by shoving with AQo - only to be called by a brave pair or a hand that dominates - which is what they might well have done by provoking Russia.
NATO are more likely to cut Turkey loose - than go to WWIII over their bull.
Suddenly, “Removing Assad” pales into insignificance…
Turkmen in Syria giving away their presence as effective Mercenaries working for ISIS doesn’t help their own situation there either.
Putin has already declared that Turkey are the ones buying all the ISIS oil…All in all, it seems that Turkish interests have shown them up to be part of the problem rather than the solution.
They’ve flipped places with Assad.You couldn’t make it up!
To be fair Russia’s historic policy in the Middle East has often been about trying to help the Arabs and/or Iran to wipe out Israel and destabilise western oil supplies.
However this is all new territory of an obvious Islamic/Jihadist agenda which is now playing off Russia against NATO using Turkey’s NATO membership as a Trojan horse.On that note in this case we need to be dealing with Putin not fighting with him.As you say that should be about getting a deal which helps the Kurds at the Turkish Syrian border regions’ expense in exchange for giving Putin carte blanche in doing whatever it takes to maintain Assad’s regime.On that note I’d have expected NATO to have kicked out Turkey with immediate effect in the knowledge of the Islamist Jihadist sympathies which the place is actually founded on.That strategy will obviously be dependent on Russia and Assad and the Kurds being prepared to deal with each other.Somehow unfortunately I’d guess it’s all gone past that stage with the EU/NATO,the Jihadists and Russia all being on an inevitable collision course for a three way cluster zb in the region.All added to by the west’s stupidity in wrongly differentiating so called ‘moderate’ Jihadists like the Turkmen mob from so called bad Jihadists like IS.Let alone Merkel trying to bring Jihad into our own back yard through immigration and Turkish EU membership.
82,000 rise in overall net migration.
The rise in net migration was split between an increase of 42,000 from within the European Union and a rise of 36,000 in non-EU net migration.
theguardian.com/world/2015/n … mmigration
Britons among least knowledgeable about European Union.
Dolph:
Britons among least knowledgeable about European Union.
Biased pro EU bs.The EU is already a Federation in which a ‘majority’ vote among ‘all’ the states sets laws and policies for ‘all’.With no right of VETO or opt out by any seperate state.The result of which being laws and policies being imposed with no electoral control over that ‘Federal’ majority.
IE laws are passed and imposed on all by a majority vote of foreign MP’s with no actual electoral mandate outside of their own state.
Which is why America ended up in a war of anti federalist secession which the secessionists unfortunately lost.
On that note the guardian isn’t moaning about an un educated electorate.It’s actually just wants and is trying to push yet more biased pro EU federalist propaganda just as happened in 1975.
But we do have the power of the VETO, I thought you would know that, unless you’re hoping nobody else on here can use google, or you think everyone believes everything you post.
BillyHunt:
But we do have the power of the VETO, I thought you would know that, unless you’re hoping nobody else on here can use google, or you think everyone believes everything you post.
What you fail to understand is that if Carryfast googles it and it agrees with his opinion, the link will be posted on here as gospel. However if you google something or even if you are a World leading authority, highly qualified with years of experience expert on the subject, if you post something that doesn’t agree with him it will be dismissed as crap, or (BS as it seems to be his favorite at the moment) followed by a thousand word essay of total ■■■■■■■■.
I avoid try and avoid even responding to his posts now, as I believe in the old saying "Don’t argue with idiots as they 'll only bring down to their level and beat you with they superior experience. 
BillyHunt:
But we do have the power of the VETO, I thought you would know that, unless you’re hoping nobody else on here can use google, or you think everyone believes everything you post.
No surprise that the pro EU agenda would want to over look ( more like just lie about ) the inconvenient details contained in all the treaties.Which effectively make the so called right of VETO non existent in the real world on most issues.
Let alone us ever having had the sovereign right of ‘opt out’ of any EU laws/regulations that we don’t wish to be bound by.
independent.co.uk/news/world … 38345.html
The fact is if the people want an unbiased education,regarding the undemocratic nature and pitfalls of Federalism,they ain’t going to find it in the biased pro EU media like the Grauniad or your pro EU bs.