muckles:
BillyHunt:
But we do have the power of the VETO, I thought you would know that, unless you’re hoping nobody else on here can use google, or you think everyone believes everything you post.
What you fail to understand is that if Carryfast googles it and it agrees with his opinion, the link will be posted on here as gospel. However if you google something or even if you are a World leading authority, highly qualified with years of experience expert on the subject, if you post something that doesn’t agree with him it will be dismissed as crap, or (BS as it seems to be his favorite at the moment) followed by a thousand word essay of total ■■■■■■■■.
I avoid try and avoid even responding to his posts now, as I believe in the old saying "Don’t argue with idiots as they 'll only bring down to their level and beat you with they superior experience. 
Feel free to post any ‘world leading authority’ that shows unconditional seperate state right of EU VETO ( unanimous voting ) ,as opposed to EU federal majority vote,on all or even most matters.The only idiots ( liars ) in this case being the pro EU agenda. 
We, the UK, currently have a veto in place regarding immigration, you know all those fleeing their respective countries and landing on European shores. We vetoed taking any so we don’t, other than those that we have agreed to take, 20 thousand direct from Syria over five years. That’s one example & im not even a world renowned authority. We also vetoed taking the euro, hey that’s two, I’m on a roll. If we had no power of veto these wouldn’t be the case, wether you like or agree with it is irrelevant.
BillyHunt:
We, the UK, currently have a veto in place regarding immigration, you know all those fleeing their respective countries and landing on European shores. We vetoed taking any so we don’t, other than those that we have agreed to take, 20 thousand direct from Syria over five years. That’s one example & im not even a world renowned authority. We also vetoed taking the euro, hey that’s two, I’m on a roll. If we had no power of veto these wouldn’t be the case, wether you like or agree with it is irrelevant.
We opted out of the Schengen Agreement.
Exactly, if we had to abide by all the eu rules without the ability to opt out, or veto, we would be subject to that agreement. We did opt out so we aren’t.
At the end of the day “anyone” can do “anything” and it only stays “happened” if no one stands up and stops it.
We, therefore, - are a country of “don’t stop it, we’re too apathetic.” 
People voted for the main parties because they DON’T want to stop things from happening…
You vote for the minor parties if you want “real change”. Trouble is, getting past the wide arses of Labour and Tory are well-nigh impossible whilst still remaining legal 100%.
“Regime change” even at Election level - requires some skullduggery set in motion by previous lawmakers.
Look at how Labour managed to scupper the tax credit bill - from beyond the grave as it were…
There’s been no publicity about what Sterling work Farage and UKIP are doing as the majority British party in the EU parliament.
More proof (if ‘more’ was ever needed) that our entire Media (4th Estate) is in the pocket of the main parties too… 
BillyHunt:
We, the UK, currently have a veto in place regarding immigration, you know all those fleeing their respective countries and landing on European shores. We vetoed taking any so we don’t, other than those that we have agreed to take, 20 thousand direct from Syria over five years. That’s one example & im not even a world renowned authority. We also vetoed taking the euro, hey that’s two, I’m on a roll. If we had no power of veto these wouldn’t be the case, wether you like or agree with it is irrelevant.
EU immigration policy actually falls under the remit of majority vote.Which isn’t surprising considering that by the EU’s own information only 20% of the decision making process is subject to unanimous vote requirement.
breitbart.com/london/2015/09 … hat-means/
You do know that we are an EU ‘member’ in that regard.
It’s no surprise either that the pro EU agenda would view 20% VETO rights and 80% majority vote Federal imposition as ‘on a roll’ from the point of view of its biased bs propaganda machine.
So to sum up , we do have the power of veto despite you saying we don’t. How very like the anti everything crowd to say we don’t have something, then admit we do.
BillyHunt:
So to sum up , we do have the power of veto despite you saying we don’t. How very like the anti everything crowd to say we don’t have something, then admit we do.
I think you’ll find although the EU immigration policy is Qualified Majority Voting, the UK and Ireland have opted out of it as part of our opt out of the Schengen Agreement.
I’m not arguing that point, the fact is he stated earlier that we don’t have the power of veto, then he’s changed to say we do when picked up on it.
BillyHunt:
So to sum up , we do have the power of veto despite you saying we don’t. How very like the anti everything crowd to say we don’t have something, then admit we do.
I ‘actually’ said we don’t have the power of VETO ( or preferably opt out ) over ‘all’ EU decisions or even ‘most’.Bearing in mind an 80%/20% split in majority vote v VETO able decisions.
muckles:
BillyHunt:
So to sum up , we do have the power of veto despite you saying we don’t. How very like the anti everything crowd to say we don’t have something, then admit we do.
I think you’ll find although the EU immigration policy is Qualified Majority Voting, the UK and Ireland have opted out of it as part of our opt out of the Schengen Agreement.
Schengen is all about border control procedures not EU immigration policy.On that note why don’t you post a link that actually verifies any so called UK ‘opt out’ of the recently EU imposed ‘refugee’ quota sharing 'agreement '.Of which we can probably multiply Merkel’s bs figures by 10 times probably more.With hundreds of thousands more arriving every day.Or for that matter any ‘opt out’ which would stop ‘free movement’ of such immigration throughout the EU,including here,when granted EU citizenship.Obviously nothing has changed since 1975 regarding the in campaign’s reliance on lies and disinformation to keep us in at any cost.
Carryfast:
muckles:
BillyHunt:
So to sum up , we do have the power of veto despite you saying we don’t. How very like the anti everything crowd to say we don’t have something, then admit we do.
I think you’ll find although the EU immigration policy is Qualified Majority Voting, the UK and Ireland have opted out of it as part of our opt out of the Schengen Agreement.
Schengen is all about border control procedures not EU immigration policy.On that note why don’t you post a link that actually verifies any so called UK ‘opt out’ of the recently EU imposed ‘refugee’ quota sharing 'agreement '.Of which we can probably multiply Merkel’s bs figures by 10 times probably more.With hundreds of thousands more arriving every day.Or for that matter any ‘opt out’ which would stop ‘free movement’ of such immigration throughout the EU,including here,when granted EU citizenship.Obviously nothing has changed since 1975 regarding the in campaign’s reliance on lies and disinformation to keep us in at any cost.
There seems very little point posting anything as whatever links I post however reliable the source will be meet with the same response by you. You are a classic know it all, who who fires thinly veiled insults anybody who dares to disagree with you.
We know your views on every subject as you post for days until the rest of us are bored trying to respond, even those with considerable experience of the subject they are posting about.
As for my views on the EU and the vote for us leaving that will be between me and the ballot box. And Although I’m pretty sure which way I’ll vote and it has changed in recent years, unlike you I will listen to all sides and read many different opinions before I finally commit myself to the vote which I think will be the most important in a generation.
There are many posters on here who I will disagree with at times, but I respect their opinions and if they wrong they’ll apologise as will I, however you will just dig in more and more and post more crap.
I’d love to have an discussion on here about the EU poll, Immigration, engine braking, American trucks, the best route across Europe and many other subjects, but sadly they all get hijacked by you and the rest of us simply give up trawling through the drivel you post.
Rest assured, whoever “wins” the eu referendum it will be the wrong decision according him, and he’ll have some links to prove it.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Britons among least knowledgeable about European Union.
theguardian.com/news/datablo … -questions
Biased pro EU bs.The EU is already a Federation in which a ‘majority’ vote among ‘all’ the states sets laws and policies for ‘all’.With no right of VETO or opt out by any seperate state.The result of which being laws and policies being imposed with no electoral control over that ‘Federal’ majority.
IE laws are passed and imposed on all by a majority vote of foreign MP’s with no actual electoral mandate outside of their own state.
Which is why America ended up in a war of anti federalist secession which the secessionists unfortunately lost.
On that note the guardian isn’t moaning about an un educated electorate.It’s actually just wants and is trying to push yet more biased pro EU federalist propaganda just as happened in 1975.
I think you’ll find that this is what you actually posted, clearly stating “with no right of veto or opt out by any separate state” . You are wrong on both counts & you know it.
BillyHunt:
I think you’ll find that this is what you actually posted, clearly stating “with no right of veto or opt out by any separate state” . You are wrong on both counts & you know it.
Only the in campaign could try to dress up the extremely limited,effectively worthless,so called ‘right of VETO’,over just 20% of the EU’s decision making process,as opposed to the 80% carried out by majority federal vote,as the so called ‘right of VETO’ or ‘opt out’.
IE either we’ve got the right of VETO, ‘or’ also preferably opt out,over 100% of the decision making process within the EU,or it ain’t the ‘right of VETO or opt out’.
europa.eu/scadplus/constitution/ … n.htm#LIST
muckles:
There seems very little point posting anything as whatever links I post however reliable the source will be meet with the same response by you. You are a classic know it all, who who fires thinly veiled insults anybody who dares to disagree with you.
Just cut the whingeing and post some credible evidence which shows that we,or any EU state,have got the right of VETO,or preferably opt out,over EU immigration policy.Such as examples like this.(Just saying that ‘Britain has refused to take part in the scheme’ won’t cut it in that regard ).
theguardian.com/world/2015/s … 0-refugees
Carryfast:
muckles:
There seems very little point posting anything as whatever links I post however reliable the source will be meet with the same response by you. You are a classic know it all, who who fires thinly veiled insults anybody who dares to disagree with you.
Just cut the whingeing and post some credible evidence which shows that we,or any EU state,have got the right of VETO,or preferably opt out,over EU immigration policy.Such as examples like this.(Just saying that ‘Britain has refused to take part in the scheme’ won’t cut it in that regard ).
theguardian.com/world/2015/s … 0-refugees
Wow this is new, posting links for for other people, maybe you could also post my Pro immigration, socialist BS argument as well, as I’m sure if I dared to post anything that you disagreed with that would be the response I’d get.
Maybe you should set up another user name and have endless hours of fun disagreeing with yourself.
Bored with you now Bye.
muckles:
Wow this is new, posting links for for other people,
The ‘link’ was an example of EU immigration policy imposed by federal majority vote.I’m still waiting for you to post a link containing the actual details which show the ‘right’ of seperate EU state VETO or opt out of such policy.Assuming there is such a VETO or opt out no state that doesn’t want it would need to be bothered about it.Which obviously isn’t the case.
On the understanding that this is in the Sunday Express and therefore proceed with caution it seems that the UK and France are being pressured to give up their seats on the UN Security Council and hand them over to the EU instead.
It followed a vote by MEPs last week that saw nearly 500 of them declare that the UK and France do not represent European views enough to warrant their place. 
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
I think you’ll find that this is what you actually posted, clearly stating “with no right of veto or opt out by any separate state” . You are wrong on both counts & you know it.
Only the in campaign could try to dress up the extremely limited,effectively worthless,so called ‘right of VETO’,over just 20% of the EU’s decision making process,as opposed to the 80% carried out by majority federal vote,as the so called ‘right of VETO’ or ‘opt out’.
IE either we’ve got the right of VETO, ‘or’ also preferably opt out,over 100% of the decision making process within the EU,or it ain’t the ‘right of VETO or opt out’.
europa.eu/scadplus/constitution/ … n.htm#LIST
It’s only a “so called” veto because, surprise surprise, you don’t agree with it, but then again you don’t agree with anything anyone else says so no change there. We have the right to veto or opt out, that’s a fact & you know it.