Del, can you just clarify your position a bit?
Are you are saying that there has not been a huge decline in continental work undertaken by British hauliers over the last ten years due to the enormous influx of eastern European operators? Or do you agree that there has been, but that you think the same would not happen in domestic haulage when cabotage restrictions are removed? Or do you think cabotage restrictions would not eventually be removed?
Harry Monk:
Del, can you just clarify your position a bit?Are you are saying that there has not been a huge decline in continental work undertaken by British hauliers over the last ten years due to the enormous influx of eastern European operators? Or do you agree that there has been, but that you think the same would not happen in domestic haulage when cabotage restrictions are removed? Or do you think cabotage restrictions would not eventually be removed?
Blimey Harry Iâd go further by asking the question why doesnât Canada and the US allow Mexican trucks to haul US-Canadian traffic within the framework of NAFTA and why does Obama expect us to accept what his electorate wonât. 
I dont want to go into too much detail about an ongoing case, but it seems the French authorities are cracking down on cabotage regs. Apparently French domestic hauliers have protested to their government about foreign hauliers undercutting and so the Fr transport controls are looking harder for cabotage infringements. Potential fine of 15k euros for each operation over the allowance. I dont reckon that cabotage rules will be overthrown anytime soon!
And they are also cracking down on taking 45hr breaks in the cab rather than in a hotel or whatever. 4 figure fines being handed out for this too. This too is designed to cut down on undercutting of rates.
I believe the French are trying to bring in a minimum wage for any driver in France regardless of which country the company he works is from.
A bit like the Germans did a couple of years ago, but not sure if theyâre still enforcing it.
What always strikes me about things like certain countries managing to stop the lifting of cabotage regs or enforcing (their interpritation) of the weekly rest period rules or bringing legislation that all workers are on minimum wage regardless of where theyâre based or the the fact most EU countries took the option of a 5 years period where the new entrants into the EU had to get permits to work in other countries, is that the UK never seems to be involved, but the UK government is happy to encourage Turkeys entry into the EU or object to legislation on workers rights.
âI believe the French are trying to bring in a minimum wage for any driver in France regardless of which country the company he works is from.â muckles.
Ive heard much the same. Id be all in favour of that. This is what Euroland should be doing, putting us all on a level playing field. Where we are now isnt very good, but maybe it could get better for those generations following us, if we arent too selfish and short sighted.
Franglais:
This is what Euroland should be doing, putting us all on a level playing field. Where we are now isnt very good, but maybe it could get better for those generations following us, if we arent too selfish and short sighted.
If itâs all about doing whatâs good for the working class thereâs no reason why that canât be done on a Confederal nation state basis in the form of bilateral trading agreements.Including the maintaining of cabotage restrictions,and every reason to believe that it wonât be under the EU Federal system of government.
Franglais:
âI believe the French are trying to bring in a minimum wage for any driver in France regardless of which country the company he works is from.â muckles.
Ive heard much the same. Id be all in favour of that. This is what Euroland should be doing, putting us all on a level playing field. Where we are now isnt very good, but maybe it could get better for those generations following us, if we arent too selfish and short sighted.
This is my take on things, a compulsory minimum wage, equal road tax and fuel duty and theres no reason cabotage wouldnt work. Its all very well those saying this will never happen but a level playing field like this and you would see British drivers on the ferries againâŚ
I had this from the RHA last week, what amuses me most is that they want a paper copy of the Ts&Cs.
On the german attempt to implement a minimum wage, we were filling out carp early last year, heard nothing more since - it had gone to an EU court to see if it was fair, given that the French said last year that they wanted to enforce the same thing if the outcome of the court case was favourable and they are choosing to do so in July, suggests the court upheld the Germanâs right to impose NMW on hauliers. At the time with the Germans it was only to cover those collecting and delivering into German, not those transiting - not sure what the French are doing or even if the Germans have moved goalposts. Anyway, hereâs the RHA notification:
FRENCH MACRON LAW - WAGE LEVELS - UPDATE
BACKGROUND
Further to earlier newsflashes you will find attached a presentation passed by the French authorities to industry representatives, which outlines, in French and English, the requirements for visiting hauliers to comply with the Macron Law (Loi Macron). The Law states what hauliers must do to satisfy the Posting of Workers Directive (96/71/EC) as it will be enforced in France for road hauliers from 1 July 2016. The scheme is intended to apply to cabotage and international journeys but not transit.
OUTSTANDING ISSUES
We still await detail on the following:
Firms will have to provide their drivers with a paper copy of their employment contract as well as an attestation form which describes the work undertaken. However, this form is a general outline of how road haulage will be organised and will be valid for 6 months.
A copy of the attestation form is still awaited but is expected to be made available on the French website âtravail-emploi-gouv.frâ. We will attempt to obtain a copy soonest and send it to members.
Firms will have to provide details of a representative in France who can act as a liaison between the French authorities and the haulier if disputes arise. The representative should have a copy of the attestation form but this can be in electronic form.
Although the representative is not intended to be liable for any penalties, he/she could become so if the relevant non-compliant haulier absconds.
Self-employed drivers are not affected by these rules.
It seems that the French want to ensure that the total remuneration of a driver working in France will equal French levels as closely as possible. How this will be done in practice is not clear, especially for those countries that do not work in Euros. Given the current sterling/euro exchange rate the UK minimum wage is within a few cents of the French equivalent.
Wherever possible, paperwork should be provided in French and English or it should be possible for roadside inspectors to access any English versions with ease.
1.Self empl drivers not affected.So company start use more self employed drivers to avoid this.
2.I know who in Germany company do if pay less for minimum requirement .They pay for drivers wages but after drivers must bring some money back.By paperwork full legally.
There will never be an eu wide nmw. The eastern block are the sweat shop of the eu. Itâs not in the interests of the big business supporters to introduce an eu minimum wage
If they want make same competition that EU must change some rulle.
1.Make one internation 0-licence with same rulles(deposit,requarement,maintenace standart)
2.Make Eu penalty sistem ,when policeman can give penalty point for drivers from another country.
3.Police must have accsess to deposit in another coutry if drivers make fault.
4.All truck must be fitted with remote controle taxograf.
5.All truck must fitted with ISOTRACK sistem and keep all route detail for at least 1 month or more .This can helap check cabotage rulles.
6.Fuel price must be same in all country for truck if he do international work.
They donât want a fair system. They want the to exploit the eastern block labour force for cheap manufacturing, while western economies make profits on said goods and services, to keep pumping into Brussels. The only winners are anyone with a personal wealth above 50k a year, with everyone below losing out. This maintains the them vs us mantra. The only downfall is the more you feed the animal, the greedier it gets. The problem being these capitalist beasts want such a profit, they charge far too much for the goods and services, which doesnât compute to the sub standard wages most of their customers have to work for. Thatâs why wages are in real terms 50% lower than in 2003 before the union opened to the eastern block
Andrejs:
If they want make same competition that EU must change some rulle.
1.Make one internation 0-licence with same rulles(deposit,requarement,maintenace standart)
2.Make Eu penalty sistem ,when policeman can give penalty point for drivers from another country.
3.Police must have accsess to deposit in another coutry if drivers make fault.
4.All truck must be fitted with remote controle taxograf.
5.All truck must fitted with ISOTRACK sistem and keep all route detail for at least 1 month or more .This can helap check cabotage rulles.
6.Fuel price must be same in all country for truck if he do international work.
You do know that it was the Germans who ( rightly ) quashed the idea of an inter state licence penalty system.Because Germans didnât like the idea of losing a German licence for the crime of running a car at German type speeds on often clearer better French and Italian motorways.Or the fact that even the USA doesnât have an interstate licence penalty system.( Although some states are partial to just jailing people for what are mundane speeding infringements ).
While none of what youâve described deals with the problems of lifting cabotage restrictions in the more developed economies of western Europe.Which just benefits rate cutting East Euro operators let alone Turkish.IE whatâs in it for us such as operators like Harry ?.Bearing in mind that itâs more likely that heâd lose out to rate cutting foreign cabotage here than gain from any bs idea that heâll find work as a subby for a German contractor in Germany.
Although having said that I could foresee a possible niche for anyone with a rigid drawbar prime mover instead of a tractor unit looking for Scandinavian or German etc work in that regard. 
Andrejs:
To many EE company now pay for drivers 60-70 euro per calendar day(not working day).So i know friend who earn about 2000 euro per working month after tax.This money very close and sometime more high what get typical Germany drivers and more what can earn in some British companies(Freshlinc,Fowler Welsh and more)
I donât know of any EE companies that pay per calendar day, if the vehicle isnât moving then they donât get paid. And you figures quite simply donât add up.
GBPub:
Andrejs:
To many EE company now pay for drivers 60-70 euro per calendar day(not working day).So i know friend who earn about 2000 euro per working month after tax.This money very close and sometime more high what get typical Germany drivers and more what can earn in some British companies(Freshlinc,Fowler Welsh and more)I donât know of any EE companies that pay per calendar day, if the vehicle isnât moving then they donât get paid. And you figures quite simply donât add up.
Most big Lithuanian (1000 truck and more) offer for drivers 60-70 euro per calendar day.So drivers can earn about 2000 euro.And more and more Polish,Latvian and another start pay per calendar day.
Yes some company pay just about 1500 euro.Professional lorry drivers with expirience in EU not dream go to England and work here.
How can a country the size of Lithuania have companies with a fleet of 1000 + vehicles? That in itself shows there is something wrong.
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GBPub:
How can a country the size of Lithuania have companies with a fleet of 1000 + vehicles? That in itself shows there is something wrong.
I dont know exactly but i give you link in English language from their site
girteka.eu/en/girteka-logistics-fleet
vlantana.lt/en/about_us/
kreiss.lv/en/
Less for 1000 but still big-
agrologistika.eu/en/about-us
agriciaus.lt/en
finejas.lt/en/freight-transport-services
transtira.lt/index.php?cid=686
transmeja.lt/en/about-us
And much more company in Lithuania who get some 200-500 truck.Simply not remember exactly company name(I am not from Lithuania)
And there lies the problem with the EU a country with a population of under 3 million, yet they have many companies with 100âs of vehicles. The donât have the work internally for them. So they get huge grants and come to the west undercutting everyone. VOTE OUT
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Andrejs:
1.Self empl drivers not affected.So company start use more self employed drivers to avoid this.
2.I know who in Germany company do if pay less for minimum requirement .They pay for drivers wages but after drivers must bring some money back.By paperwork full legally.
Yes you can vote in or out.It is you chouce.Some company was working 20 years.Really if you have customer,all paperwork,licence that you as well can take some number of truck and bank believe you,give credit
.Money in packet not everything,first planning.In England as well plenty company have toany truck but all in credit or lease.Most warehouse ,Dc it is not transport companies property.