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Grandpa you sound just like Carryfast who couldn’t / wouldn’t get a job doing Europe in the heyday of European transport and just makes excuses as to why. We don’t have a different view because we are in safe secure jobs (1. Is there such a thing anymore? 2. Only been in my current job since April) it’s because you are taking to people who if become unhappy in a job get off their arses and find another. It’s seems you don’t even try then make excuses why. As has been pointed out to you on this thread there are plenty of easy jobs going. My Dad works for the same company as me and was 60 when he started here on tanks. Non haz tanker work doesn’t really require all that much training but even if it did this industry is full of older drivers, being 65 shouldn’t hold you back.

You need to stop being so constantly negative, grab the bull by the horns and get out there looking for a full time job direct with a company, stop relying on agencies. Like you’ve been told over and over, start with containers and tankers

switchlogic:
Grandpa you sound just like Carryfast who couldn’t / wouldn’t get a job doing Europe in the heyday of European transport and just makes excuses as to why. We don’t have a different view because we are in safe secure jobs (1. Is there such a thing anymore? 2. Only been in my current job since April) it’s because you are taking to people who if become unhappy in a job get off their arses and find another. It’s seems you don’t even try then make excuses why. As has been pointed out to you on this thread there are plenty of easy jobs going. My Dad works for the same company as me and was 60 when he started here on tanks. Non haz tanker work doesn’t really require all that much training but even if it did this industry is full of older drivers, being 65 shouldn’t hold you back.

You need to stop being so constantly negative, grab the bull by the horns and get out there looking for a full time job direct with a company, stop relying on agencies. Like you’ve been told over and over, start with containers and tankers

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I was going to say something similar (but possibly not in such diplomatic terms… :sunglasses: ), but you’ve saved me the bother. Hi and Carryfast sound like twins.
It’s a pity your lot are further to commute than Newport, otherwise I might be tempted to pop round. I fancy getting back on the milk, but the only depot around here isn’t hiring.

switchlogic:
There’s so much easy work out there but you seem like you can’t be bothered looking and expect an agency to drop the perfect job in your lap

Yep tankers absolutely no possibility of having to lug heavy hoses around in that job.( Yes I’ve also done tanker work as part of my council driver job luckily only a 4 wheeler in my case ).Yours must be a hose less type delivery system. :laughing:

I’ve spent four months plus trying to find a job that’s even possible. It hasn’t take me four years to realize that. It’s not negativity, it’s the reality of what’s out there. Where are all these tanker jobs? In my time I’ve done just about a bit of everything including tanker dock work for Rugby Cement. You can’t get near those places now.

The reason I stated places like BT and Asda is because they’re the ones I liked best, but again, you’ve no chance of getting near their trunks now. The only recent container work advertised didn’t exist as I went directly to the company itself. By the way and when they are hiring, it’s £135 a day and that includes your night out allowance.

It’s not sinking in, is it? I’ve tried agencies and I’ve tried knocking on doors and yes, the work is there, but it’s the work no one else will do. The op job isn’t a one off, those are the sort of jobs that they’re now looking to fill.

Don’t take my word for it, have a go yourselves. Try asking the agencies what they’ve got, or knocking on doors just to see what’s out here. You wouldn’t touch them with a bargepole! It’s why they can’t get drivers. One person says, if they’re that bad just refuse them. That’s exactly what I have been doing. I can see the mess it’s in out here as can the transport industry itself, but some of you will have to wait until you’re in that position yourselves and you’ll then know why drivers are leaving the industry at a record level.

I suggest you…

Start looking for a position in McDonalds or Burger King then.

I’m sensing you are a glass half empty rather than half full sort of bloke…

dieseldog999.spot on.Exactly how I used to work it.It presupposes that I was more than decent at whatever the assignment was but you have to get your agency trained in what you will not tolerate.Obviously they will test you but if say no thanks and go home they won’t do it often.However if you don’t have the courage of your convictions you wll be dumped on repeatedly.Worked for me.Am I cranky?Absolutely.

I’ve spent four months plus trying to find a job that’s even possible. It’s not negativity, it’s the reality of what’s out there. Where are all these tanker jobs? In my time I’ve done just about a bit of everything including bulk tanker work for Rugby Cement. You can’t get near those places now. The reason I stated places like BT and Asda is because they’re the ones I liked best, but again, you’ve no chance of getting near their trunks now.

The only recent container work advertised didn’t exist as I went directly to the company itself. By the way and when they are hiring, it’s £135 a day and that includes your night out allowance to disguise the minimum wage offered. The op? Two days double manned and the third night on my own. I couldn’t do it, they laid me off and two weeks later I still haven’t been paid for what I did. At £9.70ph that wouldn’t be much anyway. That wasn’t agency, it was a small ‘knock on the door’ haulage firm.

I don’t feel sorry for the minority of you in your safe secure jobs, but I do have genuine sympathy for those guys who are taken in with promises of manageable runs (again and again) and on a freezing cold night end up in pallet ways, or un/strapping loads with five trailer swops tonight. Like me, they’re the ones who end up leaving and I don’t blame them.

Believe me, I take no pleasure in trying to leave the transport business; I’m just one among the tens of thousands who have seen better days. Maybe in the future it will change for the better, but at the moment it’s a dead end to nowhere. Why do you think people are leaving in droves? Why do you think they’re permanently short of drivers? Because the ones left can’t be bothered to work at all these wonderful places some of you think are out there for the taking?

In the next recession when people stop spending in this ‘gig economy’ and which all the economists are predicting, I’ll be laughing as these two bit pointy shoe agency consultants and the managers in the slave market transport departments go out with it and the shares in the corporations plummet. Why did I bother? I used to like it. Back to social work/nursing I suppose. :slight_smile:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
There’s so much easy work out there but you seem like you can’t be bothered looking and expect an agency to drop the perfect job in your lap

Yep tankers absolutely no possibility of having to lug heavy hoses around in that job.( Yes I’ve also done tanker work as part of my council driver job luckily only a 4 wheeler in my case ).Yours must be a hose less type delivery system. :laughing:

Really?? :open_mouth:

Pulling a pipe around a bit is to much work for you?

Btw, if the hose is to heavy for you, you’ve buggered up purging. Not that you would know about that.
(Que Carryfast frantically googling :grimacing: :laughing: )

Grandpa:
I’ve spent four months plus trying to find a job that’s even possible. It hasn’t take me four years to realize that. It’s not negativity, it’s the reality of what’s out there. Where are all these tanker jobs? In my time I’ve done just about a bit of everything including tanker dock work for Rugby Cement. You can’t get near those places now.

The reason I stated places like BT and Asda is because they’re the ones I liked best, but again, you’ve no chance of getting near their trunks now. The only recent container work advertised didn’t exist as I went directly to the company itself. By the way and when they are hiring, it’s £135 a day and that includes your night out allowance.

It’s not sinking in, is it? I’ve tried agencies and I’ve tried knocking on doors and yes, the work is there, but it’s the work no one else will do. The op job isn’t a one off, those are the sort of jobs that they’re now looking to fill.

Don’t take my word for it, have a go yourselves. Try asking the agencies what they’ve got, or knocking on doors just to see what’s out here. You wouldn’t touch them with a bargepole! It’s why they can’t get drivers. One person says, if they’re that bad just refuse them. That’s exactly what I have been doing. I can see the mess it’s in out here as can the transport industry itself, but some of you will have to wait until you’re in that position yourselves and you’ll then know why drivers are leaving the industry at a record level.

Don’t worry Grandpa. I know exactly what you mean and so probably do the majority of drivers.

The reality is there aren’t many vacancies in this game. There is however a massive over-subscription of workers, so when vacancies do arise they will not be in sufficient number to absorb the number looking for them.

What conceals this fact is firstly the industry hype about the so-called driver shortage, and secondly the constant trawling by agencies and fly-by-night firms for people willing to work for less than those who are currently employed, or under worse conditions.

These are not genuine vacancies in which additional work is performed in the economy. They are phantom vacancies in which firms seek to replace an existing worker, but on less money or worse terms than he is currently on. If the vacancy is filled by a new worker, then that existing worker then joins the ranks of the unemployed, adding back to the driver surplus.

Some firms recruit almost constantly, not because they are constantly growing, but because they are utter bottom-feeders who cannot retain anybody and their business model relies on backfilling this constant turnover. The massive surplus of drivers, in which there is always somebody who doesn’t know what they’re in for and will bite the bait and stay for a short while, allows this malignant model to function.

And at any one time, if there are 100 vacancies in the market, probably all 100 of them are for these bottom-feeders seeking to backfill another man who has just walked out (or even to get ahead of the game, and recruit his replacement before he throws down the gauntlet).

And for agencies, they too cast the net constantly. Even if the firm is decent but just needs someone for some holiday cover, they might get on the blower to a few agencies, and suddenly there are adverts placed and calls going out which suggest the market is calling for 10 drivers. In reality, the agencies are all competing amongst themselves to be the crew who supply that one driver and who cream the commission for it.

The call might even go out to a few other firms willing to subcontract, and they too now cast the net to see if they can get a driver. Before you know it, there are 50 different firms looking for drivers on standby that day, even though the market only requires one.

This is why the logistics sector constantly has 70,000 unfilled vacancies and yet nobody can point to the stockpile that isn’t moving, because the vacancies are all phantom vacancies.

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
There’s so much easy work out there but you seem like you can’t be bothered looking and expect an agency to drop the perfect job in your lap

Yep tankers absolutely no possibility of having to lug heavy hoses around in that job.( Yes I’ve also done tanker work as part of my council driver job luckily only a 4 wheeler in my case ).Yours must be a hose less type delivery system. :laughing:

I think you’d have to be genuinely physically disabled or have a specific musculoskeletal weakness to find tanker hoses on Class 1 too much to manage.

After all, virtually any driving job involves climbing into the cab, steering the wheel, opening the back doors, or coupling the trailer, and if you can do these things you can surely manipulate a hose into place.

Rjan:
This is why the logistics sector constantly has 70,000 unfilled vacancies and yet nobody can point to the stockpile that isn’t moving, because the vacancies are all phantom vacancies.

How did they count those vacancies? Went on indeed and searched ‘HGV driver’ ? LOL. Even doing this only returns 8,219 jobs at present (posted within an unspecified period of time).

Rjan:

Grandpa:
I’ve spent four months plus trying to find a job that’s even possible. It hasn’t take me four years to realize that. It’s not negativity, it’s the reality of what’s out there. Where are all these tanker jobs? In my time I’ve done just about a bit of everything including tanker dock work for Rugby Cement. You can’t get near those places now.

The reason I stated places like BT and Asda is because they’re the ones I liked best, but again, you’ve no chance of getting near their trunks now. The only recent container work advertised didn’t exist as I went directly to the company itself. By the way and when they are hiring, it’s £135 a day and that includes your night out allowance.

It’s not sinking in, is it? I’ve tried agencies and I’ve tried knocking on doors and yes, the work is there, but it’s the work no one else will do. The op job isn’t a one off, those are the sort of jobs that they’re now looking to fill.

Don’t take my word for it, have a go yourselves. Try asking the agencies what they’ve got, or knocking on doors just to see what’s out here. You wouldn’t touch them with a bargepole! It’s why they can’t get drivers. One person says, if they’re that bad just refuse them. That’s exactly what I have been doing. I can see the mess it’s in out here as can the transport industry itself, but some of you will have to wait until you’re in that position yourselves and you’ll then know why drivers are leaving the industry at a record level.

Don’t worry Grandpa. I know exactly what you mean and so probably do the majority of drivers.

The reality is there aren’t many vacancies in this game. There is however a massive over-subscription of workers, so when vacancies do arise they will not be in sufficient number to absorb the number looking for them.

What conceals this fact is firstly the industry hype about the so-called driver shortage, and secondly the constant trawling by agencies and fly-by-night firms for people willing to work for less than those who are currently employed, or under worse conditions.

These are not genuine vacancies in which additional work is performed in the economy. They are phantom vacancies in which firms seek to replace an existing worker, but on less money or worse terms than he is currently on. If the vacancy is filled by a new worker, then that existing worker then joins the ranks of the unemployed, adding back to the driver surplus.

Some firms recruit almost constantly, not because they are constantly growing, but because they are utter bottom-feeders who cannot retain anybody and their business model relies on backfilling this constant turnover. The massive surplus of drivers, in which there is always somebody who doesn’t know what they’re in for and will bite the bait and stay for a short while, allows this malignant model to function.

And at any one time, if there are 100 vacancies in the market, probably all 100 of them are for these bottom-feeders seeking to backfill another man who has just walked out (or even to get ahead of the game, and recruit his replacement before he throws down the gauntlet).

And for agencies, they too cast the net constantly. Even if the firm is decent but just needs someone for some holiday cover, they might get on the blower to a few agencies, and suddenly there are adverts placed and calls going out which suggest the market is calling for 10 drivers. In reality, the agencies are all competing amongst themselves to be the crew who supply that one driver and who cream the commission for it.

The call might even go out to a few other firms willing to subcontract, and they too now cast the net to see if they can get a driver. Before you know it, there are 50 different firms looking for drivers on standby that day, even though the market only requires one.

This is why the logistics sector constantly has 70,000 unfilled vacancies and yet nobody can point to the stockpile that isn’t moving, because the vacancies are all phantom vacancies.

At last, a bit of sense. I can’t help but laugh at those who wouldn’t do shifts like the op, but wonder why others can’t/won’t. My dad used to work like a slave in his 60s and his dad before him did general haulage London to Glasgow in 6 months in bare feet in winter with his horse and cart … :laughing:

You’re right. The last Royal Mail job offered which turned into Hermes, I was sold by the agency to a private company, who subcontracted me out to another private company, who subcontracted me out to Hermes. I was promised a one and a half hour run shift :unamused: not even asked whether I wanted to work and given a start time … After several times of this sort of thing happening, I stopped myself being led by the nose anymore.

From what I heard today I’ll possibly be back to EMI, where the only curtains I’ll be pulling back are on windows and handing out medications. I won’t make nearly as much as HGV, but I also won’t be a stressed out mess with aching shoulders! It made me laugh when someone said work in McDonalds then. If all I ever learned in nearly half a century was to drive a truck, what a wasted life that would have been.

We all know (well, nearly all), what the job has become. We know we’re now barely above the status of a plantation like warehouse worker and treated the same. Yet I’ll miss what it once was because I genuinely enjoy driving, but it’s not just about driving anymore. It’s exploitation, because the times are such that they can get away with it and there are those that cheer it on and look at it as a sign of a ‘can do’ attitude. Just like the Romanians and Poles before they started to drop out …

Good post Rjan.

ETS:

Rjan:
This is why the logistics sector constantly has 70,000 unfilled vacancies and yet nobody can point to the stockpile that isn’t moving, because the vacancies are all phantom vacancies.

How did they count those vacancies? Went on indeed and searched ‘HGV driver’ ? LOL. Even doing this only returns 8,219 jobs at present (posted within an unspecified period of time).

And that’s just from ‘Indeed’ alone. The trick is to concentrate on one area and count the same job that crops up across various agencies, which looks like there’s a tremendous amount of work that isn’t being filled. The drivers are there, it’s the bottom end of the pile where the vacancies aren’t being filled. Find me someone from a company like Asda or Royal Mail that says they can’t recruit full time drivers.

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
There’s so much easy work out there but you seem like you can’t be bothered looking and expect an agency to drop the perfect job in your lap

Yep tankers absolutely no possibility of having to lug heavy hoses around in that job.( Yes I’ve also done tanker work as part of my council driver job luckily only a 4 wheeler in my case ).Yours must be a hose less type delivery system. :laughing:

Oh look, here come the excuses yet again…‘Can’t do that job, I might have to pick something up’. Hoses aren’t heavy FFS :unamused: I managed to do this job for two weeks while seriously ill recently (didn’t know quite how ill at time but it required 3 days in hospital, 3 units of blood and 2 units of iron in a transfusion) so if I can move the odd pipe in that state of exhaustion anyone can, though at many of places we tip and load at we have nothing to do with connecting up and wait in cab for a knock

I literally took this job because of health problems the last couple of years. It’s funny how it’s just Carryfast and Grandpa that seem to struggle so much finding easy work when the rest of us do just fine. And before you prattle on about ‘safe secure jobs’ and being in ‘real world’ this is my 4th job since 2015, I’ve been out in the job market 4 times about guess what, none of the 4 required any strenuous work! Amazing eh? I must be the luckiest man in the world

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
There’s so much easy work out there but you seem like you can’t be bothered looking and expect an agency to drop the perfect job in your lap

Yep tankers absolutely no possibility of having to lug heavy hoses around in that job.( Yes I’ve also done tanker work as part of my council driver job luckily only a 4 wheeler in my case ).Yours must be a hose less type delivery system. :laughing:

Oh look, here come the excuses yet again…‘Can’t do that job, I might have to pick something up’. Hoses aren’t heavy FFS :unamused: I managed to do this job for two weeks while seriously ill recently (didn’t know quite how ill at time but it required 3 days in hospital, 3 units of blood and 2 units of iron in a transfusion) so if I can move the odd pipe in that state of exhaustion anyone can, though at many of places we tip and load at we have nothing to do with connecting up and wait in cab for a knock

I literally took this job because of health problems the last couple of years. It’s funny how it’s just Carryfast and Grandpa that seem to struggle so much finding easy work when the rest of us do just fine. And before you prattle on about ‘safe secure jobs’ and being in ‘real world’ this is my 4th job since 2015, I’ve been out in the job market 4 times about guess what, none of the 4 required any strenuous work! Amazing eh? I must be the luckiest man in the world

You’re our hero switchlogic, the SAS of the logistics world and we do promise to come to your funeral after Hurry-Up Haulage have finished with you. The majority rest aren’t doing fine switchlogic, it’s why you’re about the only one here boasting about being at deaths door and able to carry on. Does it impress me you carried on despite ending up in hospital in a state of exhaustion? No, I just think you’re one of the many idiots that helped make the job what it is now.

Still, the good news is that you won’t have to be doing this at my age as you’ll probably have worked yourself into an early grave by then. So cheer up :slight_smile:

looks like we have a new candidate for the flogging it to death trampy jts carryfast award here now… :unamused:

Yeah being ill is such a fun thing to boast about…took me a long time to admit to and talk about how ill I’ve been, it shouldn’t have at my age but alas sometimes it does. I only mentioned it to illustrate how daft Carryfasts comment about Hoses was.

As for being one of the many idiots that make job what it is now…let’s weigh that up, you’re 65, doing crap agency work for a crap agency for crap companies, a job you clearly despise and chances are you’ve spent at least 80% of your ‘career’ doing s*+t jobs you hate for s<>t companies. Me, well I’m over 20 years younger in a job where I work less than half a year, with NO other work to speak of and NO strenuous load handling in a job I enjoy for a company I enjoy working for thats full time and as secure as any job is these days having never done a job with strenuous other work in a career I’ve loved 95% of and I’M the idiot? :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: You’re nothing if not a bit dim old boy, keep it up its good for laugh.

Just had a little look on indeed for class 1 work in Rugby. Of the first 8 jobs advertised there were 4 full time, permanent vacancies for tanker work, night trunking on containers, supermarket work for sainsburys and container work on days.

Thats the first 4 of 8 out of 301 jobs. Your talking out your ■■■■ fella

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
There’s so much easy work out there but you seem like you can’t be bothered looking and expect an agency to drop the perfect job in your lap

Yep tankers absolutely no possibility of having to lug heavy hoses around in that job.( Yes I’ve also done tanker work as part of my council driver job luckily only a 4 wheeler in my case ).Yours must be a hose less type delivery system. :laughing:

Oh look, here come the excuses yet again…‘Can’t do that job, I might have to pick something up’. Hoses aren’t heavy FFS :unamused: I managed to do this job for two weeks while seriously ill recently (didn’t know quite how ill at time but it required 3 days in hospital, 3 units of blood and 2 units of iron in a transfusion) so if I can move the odd pipe in that state of exhaustion anyone can, though at many of places we tip and load at we have nothing to do with connecting up and wait in cab for a knock

I literally took this job because of health problems the last couple of years. It’s funny how it’s just Carryfast and Grandpa that seem to struggle so much finding easy work when the rest of us do just fine. And before you prattle on about ‘safe secure jobs’ and being in ‘real world’ this is my 4th job since 2015, I’ve been out in the job market 4 times about guess what, none of the 4 required any strenuous work! Amazing eh? I must be the luckiest man in the world

He is probably only around 45 and he already looks way past retirement age.That’s what 20 years on tankers has done to him.How many collections and drops per shift. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

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