robroy:
Just heard a D.Day veteran on the radio, complaining about his local Remembrance Service being postponed or cancelled, they’ve been told to hold their own vigil at home instead.
These guys faced machine gun fire off a landing craft with no cover ffs,.so why are they going to be scared of catching a bad case of flu.
Because they were 18 and followed order and command, not 90 with possible respiratory complaints and heart failure!
Agreed.
Risking life to save a nation is different to risking life a lay a wreath.
It is important to remember the sacrifice made by those before us, but not at the risk of more unnecessary deaths.
Overwhelming arrogance and pomposity to appaint yourself moral guardian and judge the actions of a man such as this old fella don’t you think?
Ironically he’d probably be the first to concede that his actions and The actions of his fallen comrades have actually afforded you the comfort to snipe from the sidelines.
robroy:
Keep believing the hype Franglais.
Ok, but what if they WANT to do it for all the right reasons?
This guy was up for it despite his age, he’d visited Sword Beach and the Bayeux war cemetery where many of his mates lay for the last 70 odd [zb] year.!..
As I keep telling you, it should be individual choice,.but at the same time taking care.
Not everybody is up for just following bloody stupid Government rules blindly Franglais.you know mate (…believe it or not), the type that they genuinely think they are too over the top, and are restricting the way they want to live a normal life.
(Please don’t come back at me with the predictable ‘‘Where would we be if everybody…(fill in the blank)’’ type answer ffs, keep it in context, we ain’t talking about crime here, these are/were brave guys ,.( and it does not matter a [zb] how old they are now ) who want to live what time they have left in THEIR OWN ways.
Youve probably read enough of my posts to realize I dont “follow the Gov rules blindly”. But even a sad bunch of tossers like our present bunch do say the right thing sometimes.
The world is not as it was this time last year, and the sooner you actually realise that a “normal life” isnt as it was, the better. . If individual choice results in more admissions to hospital, that affects others who havent made a decision to take risk. The ICU beds are filling now.
What if this old soldier did attend and was taken ill? Should he be admitted for proper care? Or left because he is old, doesnt have much longer, and was reckless? If treated he is taking a place that is no longer there for elective surgery, and that includes "non urgent" cancer and other serious treatment. We have had an NHS limping along for years because of under investment. It wont take much of increase in C19 numbers to knock it over. 6 months ago we had critcal care doctors warning they were close to making choices about who to save and who to leave to die. Individual freedoms should come second to saving lives.
Yes we now have the Nightingale hospitals, but these are largely understaffed. They are a good achievement, but are not a panacea for all possible ills.
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You think Im exaggerating the risks? I think youre underestimating them.
If it is a small risk:
My way, closed pubs and very few die.
Your way, open pubs and few extra die.
If it is a big risk:
My way, closed pubs and few die
Your way, open pubs and thousands extra die.
I too like going to pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants. I dont like wearing masks or ■■■■■■■ about with alcohol wipes. But I dont reckon my personal preference comes above risk to others` lives.
robroy:
Keep believing the hype Franglais.
Ok, but what if they WANT to do it for all the right reasons?
This guy was up for it despite his age, he’d visited Sword Beach and the Bayeux war cemetery where many of his mates lay for the last 70 odd [zb] year.!..
As I keep telling you, it should be individual choice,.but at the same time taking care.
Not everybody is up for just following bloody stupid Government rules blindly Franglais.you know mate (…believe it or not), the type that they genuinely think they are too over the top, and are restricting the way they want to live a normal life.
(Please don’t come back at me with the predictable ‘‘Where would we be if everybody…(fill in the blank)’’ type answer ffs, keep it in context, we ain’t talking about crime here, these are/were brave guys ,.( and it does not matter a [zb] how old they are now ) who want to live what time they have left in THEIR OWN ways.
Youve probably read enough of my posts to realize I dont “follow the Gov rules blindly”. But even a sad bunch of tossers like our present bunch do say the right thing sometimes.
The world is not as it was this time last year, and the sooner you actually realise that a “normal life” isnt as it was, the better. . If individual choice results in more admissions to hospital, that affects others who havent made a decision to take risk. The ICU beds are filling now.
What if this old soldier did attend and was taken ill? Should he be admitted for proper care? Or left because he is old, doesnt have much longer, and was reckless? If treated he is taking a place that is no longer there for elective surgery, and that includes "non urgent" cancer and other serious treatment. We have had an NHS limping along for years because of under investment. It wont take much of increase in C19 numbers to knock it over. 6 months ago we had critcal care doctors warning they were close to making choices about who to save and who to leave to die. Individual freedoms should come second to saving lives.
Yes we now have the Nightingale hospitals, but these are largely understaffed. They are a good achievement, but are not a panacea for all possible ills.
.
You think Im exaggerating the risks? I think youre underestimating them.
If it is a small risk:
My way, closed pubs and very few die.
Your way, open pubs and few extra die.
If it is a big risk:
My way, closed pubs and few die
Your way, open pubs and thousands extra die.
I too like going to pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants. I dont like wearing masks or ■■■■■■■ about with alcohol wipes. But I dont reckon my personal preference comes above risk to others` lives.
We’re never going to agree mate, we just see stuff so differently.
Your way?
Listen to all the crap and scaremongering, take it all literally, believe it to the letter and fully comply, whilst being mildly contemptuous to those who don’t just follow.
My way?
Yeh, take it serious and protect myself, and others…wipes, masks, handcleaner.
Listen to all the crap and scaremongering, cherry pick the parts I think to be true, use my own eyes (as opposed to the media’s) disbelieve and laugh at the parts I believe to be exaggerated, and plough on trying to lead a normal life (and why shouldn’t I as I’m expected to lead a normal working life through it this time) and not get too carried away and brainwashed to the point of getting neurotic and obsessed.
I’ve always tended to take stuff in my stride,.and not get carried away on hype.
I ain’t wearing a full face visor just yet.
robroy:
Just heard a D.Day veteran on the radio, complaining about his local Remembrance Service being postponed or cancelled, they’ve been told to hold their own vigil at home instead.
These guys faced machine gun fire off a landing craft with no cover ffs,.so why are they going to be scared of catching a bad case of flu.
Because they were 18 and followed order and command, not 90 with possible respiratory complaints and heart failure!
Agreed.
Risking life to save a nation is different to risking life a lay a wreath.
It is important to remember the sacrifice made by those before us, but not at the risk of more unnecessary deaths.
Overwhelming arrogance and pomposity to appaint yourself moral guardian and judge the actions of a man such as this old fella don’t you think?
Ironically he’d probably be the first to concede that his actions and The actions of his fallen comrades have actually afforded you the comfort to snipe from the sidelines.
Do I think this old soldier is wrong to want to go? Of course not.
Do I not think he will be disappointed if he doesn`t go? Of course he will be.
Am I not well aware of all he and his comrades have done? Of course I am.
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I have said I think it is unwise for him to attend. Nothing he has done in the past, or you have said changes that.
YOU think he’s unwise to go.
HE doesn’t.
I hate to give the type of answer I think you would give…but many would have said he was unwise to go to Normandy on June 6 44…it didn’t stop him.
Franglais:
You think Im exaggerating the risks? I think youre underestimating them.
If it is a small risk:
My way, closed pubs and very few die.
Your way, open pubs and few extra die.
If it is a big risk:
My way, closed pubs and few die
Your way, open pubs and thousands extra die.
I too like going to pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants. I dont like wearing masks or ■■■■■■■ about with alcohol wipes. But I dont reckon my personal preference comes above risk to others` lives.
Utterly deluded . Clearly you do indeed have BBC Propaganda News 24 running permanently to keep your level of panic and hysteria fully maxed out. I bet you sleep with 2 masks on as well, 1 to protect you from the Covaids and the other mask to protect your first mask from the Covaids, just to be sure.
Despite the abundance of evidence from many European countries who did strict lockdowns, curfews and enforced mask wearing indoors and outdoors from the early days showing that the measures achieved the square root of f all, you actually believe that if we lockdown harder then that will definitely work and it’ll all go away and we can go back to ‘normal’.
Franglais:
You think Im exaggerating the risks? I think youre underestimating them.
If it is a small risk:
My way, closed pubs and very few die.
Your way, open pubs and few extra die.
If it is a big risk:
My way, closed pubs and few die
Your way, open pubs and thousands extra die.
I too like going to pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants. I dont like wearing masks or ■■■■■■■ about with alcohol wipes. But I dont reckon my personal preference comes above risk to others` lives.
Utterly deluded . Clearly you do indeed have BBC Propaganda News 24 running permanently to keep your level of panic and hysteria fully maxed out. I bet you sleep with 2 masks on as well, 1 to protect you from the Covaids and the other mask to protect your first mask from the Covaids, just to be sure.
Despite the abundance of evidence from many European countries who did strict lockdowns, curfews and enforced mask wearing indoors and outdoors from the early days showing that the measures achieved the square root of f all, you actually believe that if we lockdown harder then that will definitely work and it’ll all go away and we can go back to ‘normal’.
Thanks mate.
But I`m quite gobby enough to say what I think for myself. No need to have someone misrepresenting what I say.
Mick Bracewell:
This is no misrepresentation. You are Trucknet’s Covaids Bed-Wetter.
You do realise this is a site for truck drivers? Members of the Oxford Debating Society are somewhat above most of us. Certainly your powerful arguments and razor wit humble me into submission.
I am fully in awe of your intellect, sir.
Last week I made a delivery to shopping centre north of the border. The place was basically as busy as you would normally expect on a weekday. Vast majority wearing masks, but people passing each other fairly closely.
Seems to me that most people think life goes on and they will put on a mask if that is the guidance / law on the matter. Vulnerable people generally know and will limit their activities accordingly and probably wouldn’t walk round a shopping centre for a couple of hours.
If wearing a mask means we can otherwise behave a bit more like normal, then that’s got to be a good thing. At the end of the day if you do happen to cough or sneeze, the aerosol created in the air around you will be slightly less than it would otherwise be. As far as I can gather people are most contagious when they hardly have any symptoms, so I understand the policy.
Franglais you are wasting your time on here talking about the rules of covid. I am afraid there are a certain minority of people who will never be prepared to follow rules no matter what they are
and there seem to be one or two on here.
There are other forums where you can have decent discussion from people who realise the seriousness of this virus.
jakethesnake:
Franglais you are wasting your time on here talking about the rules of covid. I am afraid there are a certain minority of people who will never be prepared to follow rules no matter what they are
and there seem to be one or two on here.
There are other forums where you can have decent discussion from people who realise the seriousness of this virus.
jakethesnake:
Franglais you are wasting your time on here talking about the rules of covid. I am afraid there are a certain minority of people who will never be prepared to follow rules no matter what they are
and there seem to be one or two on here.
There are other forums where you can have decent discussion from people who realise the seriousness of this virus.
So a discussion is only a ‘decent one’ Jake,.when everybody shares your opinion and views eh?..ok got it.
Speaking as someone who admits to not following to the letter any rules in many situations that I either do not fully agree with, or where I am not convinced of the true motive…
I realise this virus can be serious, I just don’t get to the point of paranoia about it,.and would rather do my best to just deal and get on with it than let it rule my life…
And to use your words,.‘‘There seems to be one or two on here’’
jakethesnake:
Franglais you are wasting your time on here talking about the rules of covid. I am afraid there are a certain minority of people who will never be prepared to follow rules no matter what they are
and there seem to be one or two on here.
There are other forums where you can have decent discussion from people who realise the seriousness of this virus.
Happen youre right. There can discussion about the right and wrong ways to go about things without being silly. Most of us here manage that still. Some dont, but… Well… Makes for a change.
jakethesnake:
Franglais you are wasting your time on here talking about the rules of covid. I am afraid there are a certain minority of people who will never be prepared to follow rules no matter what they are
and there seem to be one or two on here.
There are other forums where you can have decent discussion from people who realise the seriousness of this virus.
Happen youre right. **There can discussion about the right and wrong ways to go about things without being silly. Most of us here manage that still. Some dont**, but… Well… Makes for a change.
I see you’re talking about yourself again. You do love the sound of your own voice don’t you? Wanting to “lockdown harder” to “defeat the deadly virus” is a very good example of being silly. I think it best you keep your Covaids opinions to your “other forums” please.
In your own, personal, experience, would you say that the impact of Covid-19 has matched that which has been predicted from the outset? Do you personally know dozens of healthy people who have died from it, for example?
Harry Monk:
In your own, personal, experience, would you say that the impact of Covid-19 has matched that which has been predicted from the outset? Do you personally know dozens of healthy people who have died from it, for example?
Fair question.
No I dont. But to try to put that in context, why would I ? !0%-ish of the UK population has had it. 1% of that number has died from it. So one in one thousand of my acquaintances should be dead. Not a lot for an individual. Do you have 1,000 mates? I havent! I may interact with that many people, but wouldnt know too much about all of them. And that one in a thousand wont be evenly spread. One infected person in a family will likely infect others, so there will be groupings or hotspots. One elderly victim might be married to another. One person might know of 3 or 4 deaths, I know personally of none.
More to the world than I see.
