You were correct with your original reply : “get a grip”. He is the forum covid bed-wetter, hiding behind his sofa with BBC News 24 running permanently on his TV set to ensure he is always fully dosed up on the latest hysteria and propaganda. Probably one of those types that says “if people would just wear their mask and social distance and follow the rules, then all this would be over by now and we’d be back to normal… we should lockdown harder” etc.
I drive for a large supermarket and during first lockdown received many waves and clapping from the general public as I drove by. Since then back to the usual middle finger and horn blaring. Don’t expect to be heroes again like the first time… unless you’re delivering bog rolls that is.
You were correct with your original reply : “get a grip”. He is the forum covid bed-wetter, hiding behind his sofa with BBC News 24 running permanently on his TV set to ensure he is always fully dosed up on the latest hysteria and propaganda. Probably one of those types that says “if people would just wear their mask and social distance and follow the rules, then all this would be over by now and we’d be back to normal… we should lockdown harder” etc.
Utterly deluded but they walk among us.
That would include me then , heart disease and in cancer remission , if I catch it I will certainly die but seeing that I’m old now that won’t matter to the likes I of you and your fellow selfish halfwits and conspiracy theorists .
You were correct with your original reply : “get a grip”. He is the forum covid bed-wetter, hiding behind his sofa with BBC News 24 running permanently on his TV set to ensure he is always fully dosed up on the latest hysteria and propaganda. Probably one of those types that says “if people would just wear their mask and social distance and follow the rules, then all this would be over by now and we’d be back to normal… we should lockdown harder” etc.
Utterly deluded but they walk among us.
That would include me then , heart disease and in cancer remission , if I catch it I will certainly die but seeing that I’m old now that won’t matter to the likes I of you and your fellow selfish halfwits and conspiracy theorists .
Really sorry to hear your situation mate, I have elderly relations in similar predicaments.
I’ve told them NOT to go out,.and that I and my grown up kids will do our best to look after them, in terms of getting shopping that they can’t get on line,.and anything else they want.
If I was in your/their situation, I’d just hibernate it out, whilst watching netflix etc, with a good supply of beer in the fridge for weekend football…ie make the best out of a ■■■■ crap situation…
Thing is though mate, I’m sure you’ll.appreciate that if the rest of us do the same, or even do the lockdown thing ad infinitum, the economy will be totally ■■■■ ed, none of us will have jobs, no social support, it will be like the 30s depression…that ain’t a theory of conspiracy, it’s a fact.
So bearing that and other related stuff in mind, it should be an own choice thing as to how far you want to avoid it imo, but at the same time do your best not to, masks, hand wash etc, whilst living your life as normal as possible.
I don’t think that makes anybody a ‘‘Selfish halfwhit’’ tbf mate.
Stay safe btw.
Sorry about that Rob , I was replying to the top post on the page and I admit to not seeing the last sentence . I totally agree with it in that nothing will change until there is a really drastic lockdown . The government are fiddling while Rome burns so to speak . I quite understand the plight of the workers struggling on low wages (I have a lorry driver son ) but I get wound up by COVID denyers and conspiracy nuts . We are all in the same boat with no easy way out . Dave .
Anyone else mildly ■■■■■■ off/annoyed that people are getting paid 80-100% of their salary to not work for how long now…8 months? I mean say what you want - that the majority of those people are likely to have no job to return to once this is over (one way or another) etc. but ■■■■, a year on paid holiday. It wouldn’t be so bad if the money was real, ie from the gov’t s or companies’ own savings (of course gov’t has no money/savings on its own but still the impact economically would’ve been far less worse if it didn’t have to print/borrow into the far far future) but we’re all going to pay the price.
IMO most businesses should’ve been allowed to fail and restructure or free the resources that are no longer productive (labor, capital, land) to be used in new ventures in accordance to market needs - perhaps with the help of gov’t sponsored incentives. Although I wouldn’t know what to do with highly specialized workers like air traffic controllers, pilots etc. It would ■■■■ to tell an experienced 50 year old pilot ‘‘Hey you wanna re-train as a truck driver and go from 80-90k to 20-30k a year?’ No? Ok, have you thought about Uber?’
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Although I wouldn’t know what to do with highly specialized workers like air traffic controllers, pilots etc. It would ■■■■ to tell an experienced 50 year old pilot ‘‘Hey you wanna re-train as a truck driver and go from 80-90k to 20-30k a year?’ No? Ok, have you thought about Uber?’
I’ve met two airline pilots recently who have trained as truck drivers since Covid kicked in, they’re both very pragmatic about the situation.
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Although I wouldn’t know what to do with highly specialized workers like air traffic controllers, pilots etc. It would ■■■■ to tell an experienced 50 year old pilot ‘‘Hey you wanna re-train as a truck driver and go from 80-90k to 20-30k a year?’ No? Ok, have you thought about Uber?’
I’ve met two airline pilots recently who have trained as truck drivers since Covid kicked in, they’re both very pragmatic about the situation.
Sounds right.
Wanting to go from 85k to 25k isn’t the issue. It’s accepting that 25k as a truck driver is better that 4k on the dole or maybe working elsewhere.
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Although I wouldn’t know what to do with highly specialized workers like air traffic controllers, pilots etc. It would ■■■■ to tell an experienced 50 year old pilot ‘‘Hey you wanna re-train as a truck driver and go from 80-90k to 20-30k a year?’ No? Ok, have you thought about Uber?’
I’ve met two airline pilots recently who have trained as truck drivers since Covid kicked in, they’re both very pragmatic about the situation.
Franglais:
I have said that this is a serious disease, and it should be taken seriously.
It’s the 19th most common cause of death in the UK this year. Most people do not know anybody who has died of it, however this Winter everybody will know somebody who has lost their job, or their home, or their life from some other cause which was not treated promptly because of lockdown. I’m unaware of any other similar incident where healthy people were quarantined and in fact the Woodstock Festival took place between the two waves of the 1968 flu pandemic which was at least as lethal as Covid-19.
Quite simply, you cannot hide from a virus, merely extend the time frame over which it causes collateral damage and it would have made far more sense to shield the vulnerable only and allow it to run its course over the Summer when the human body is far more able to withstand it.
19th most common cause of death?
In Spite of all that is being done? Where would it be on the death hit parade if these current measure weren’t being taken?
The 68 Hong Kong flu took about 1million lives in the whole of it’s run. C19 is nowhere near done yet and it has certainly killed more already.
You certainly can hide from a virus: isn’t that what shielding is?
In practise, how can we shield the vulnerable? Surely they need care from better able and younger carers? Those carers deserve a home and family life. How can we work that??
The human body copes with C19 better in summer?
Never heard that before.
C19 might be less contagious in summer?
But less dangerous?
Sounds like a preamble to a call for Barrington type herd immunity? Some experts are in favour of that it is true. Many more are against it. Although the majority aren’t always correct, surely a minority view needs a lot of evidence to hold sway, and they haven’t provided any.
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Edit to add.
On BBC R4 PM, there is a strong risk of cancer patient’s not having operations.
Why? Because IC beds are taken up with C19 patients already. Any calls to lift restrictions and let it run will cause more cancer deaths…now…Not just 20 years later.
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That’s not being sensationalist RobRoy.
That’s an NHS doctor speaking calmly on a reputable programme.
Some will find it distasteful, and attempt to call it scaremongering. Of course they will. Maybe those are the ones who can’t see that 2020 is not 2018? The world has changed. We need to be realistic and deal with it. There aren’t any good solutions, just some less bad ones.
Another bbc 4 listener, nothing but bullcrap, if you remember back to this time last year they were banging on about hospital being at full capacity and a crisis was looming. There a horrible pro eu scare mongering channel, they pushed and pushed for a second lockdown, now the agenda this week the poor business community and how will they cope, makes me sick listening to them.
Just to add, NHS nightingale hospital laying empty??
Franglais:
I have said that this is a serious disease, and it should be taken seriously.
It’s the 19th most common cause of death in the UK this year. Most people do not know anybody who has died of it, however this Winter everybody will know somebody who has lost their job, or their home, or their life from some other cause which was not treated promptly because of lockdown. I’m unaware of any other similar incident where healthy people were quarantined and in fact the Woodstock Festival took place between the two waves of the 1968 flu pandemic which was at least as lethal as Covid-19.
Quite simply, you cannot hide from a virus, merely extend the time frame over which it causes collateral damage and it would have made far more sense to shield the vulnerable only and allow it to run its course over the Summer when the human body is far more able to withstand it.
19th most common cause of death?
In Spite of all that is being done? Where would it be on the death hit parade if these current measure weren’t being taken?
The 68 Hong Kong flu took about 1million lives in the whole of it’s run. C19 is nowhere near done yet and it has certainly killed more already.
You certainly can hide from a virus: isn’t that what shielding is?
In practise, how can we shield the vulnerable? Surely they need care from better able and younger carers? Those carers deserve a home and family life. How can we work that??
The human body copes with C19 better in summer?
Never heard that before.
C19 might be less contagious in summer?
But less dangerous?
Sounds like a preamble to a call for Barrington type herd immunity? Some experts are in favour of that it is true. Many more are against it. Although the majority aren’t always correct, surely a minority view needs a lot of evidence to hold sway, and they haven’t provided any.
.
Edit to add.
On BBC R4 PM, there is a strong risk of cancer patient’s not having operations.
Why? Because IC beds are taken up with C19 patients already. Any calls to lift restrictions and let it run will cause more cancer deaths…now…Not just 20 years later.
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That’s not being sensationalist RobRoy.
That’s an NHS doctor speaking calmly on a reputable programme.
Some will find it distasteful, and attempt to call it scaremongering. Of course they will. Maybe those are the ones who can’t see that 2020 is not 2018? The world has changed. We need to be realistic and deal with it. There aren’t any good solutions, just some less bad ones.
Another bbc 4 listener, nothing but bullcrap, if you remember back to this time last year they were banging on about hospital being at full capacity and a crisis was looming. There a horrible pro eu scare mongering channel, they pushed and pushed for a second lockdown, now the agenda this week the poor business community and how will they cope, makes me sick listening to them.
Just to add, NHS nightingale hospital laying empty??
Yep. Wonder how much the lying BBC paid those doctors and nurses to say they were frazzled? I wonder how much the BBC bribed the Times, Mirror, Sun, Mail, Guardian, Express to carry stories of exhausted NHS staff and crowded wards in March?
They really are awful aren’t they.
You might have a brain the same size as that of a very small goldfish, most here have functioning memories.
The BBC generally has gone down in my estimations in recent years, but Radio 4? One of the last bastions of civilization. Commanders of nuclear submarine are told that, upon surfacing, to check in with communications, if The Today Programme on Radio 4 is not on air at it’s normal time, this should be taken as one of the indicators that a nuclear strike may have occurred.
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Yep. Wonder how much the lying BBC paid those doctors and nurses to say they were frazzled? I wonder how much the BBC bribed the Times, Mirror, Sun, Mail, Guardian, Express to carry stories of exhausted NHS staff and crowded wards in March?
They really are awful aren’t they.
You might have a brain the same size as that of a very small goldfish, most here have functioning memories.
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Ok well it just so happens my partner is a nurse, during lockdown 1 in the spring the wards were half empty?? Yet were all out clapping and being led to believe some sort of apocloypse is taken place, nurses were so exhausted in March they were fit to come out and clap for the bbc for us all to see?? Don’t make much sense does it?? Wards being full at this time of year is normal the same as they were full this time last year. Everything you read in a newspaper must be true, we all know they never lie!!
Yep. Wonder how much the lying BBC paid those doctors and nurses to say they were frazzled? I wonder how much the BBC bribed the Times, Mirror, Sun, Mail, Guardian, Express to carry stories of exhausted NHS staff and crowded wards in March?
They really are awful aren’t they.
You might have a brain the same size as that of a very small goldfish, most here have functioning memories.
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Ok well it just so happens my partner is a nurse, during lockdown 1 in the spring the wards were half empty?? Yet were all out clapping and being led to believe some sort of apocloypse is taken place, nurses were so exhausted in March they were fit to come out and clap for the bbc for us all to see?? Don’t make much sense does it?? Wards being full at this time of year is normal the same as they were full this time last year. Everything you read in a newspaper must be true, we all know they never lie!!
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I daresay some wards were half empty. The IC wards weren’t.
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Is everything we read in the papers true? No, I’m not saying that.
But if the all the papers are carrying the same story, then you’ve gotta have a pretty big reason to think they’re all in the same conspiracy to feed us lies.
Funnily my niece is a nurse. Works in ENT department. She admits that her workload has dropped since covid. However those working on the covid wards are the ones that are frazzled.
Not ALL NHS staff are overworked.
And that’s exactly how the media manuliplate a story to fit there agenda, they don’t give us all the facts, the same as the predictions from the weekend, grossly over exagerated and based on the worst case scenario.
Nah, she knows what to expect from me.
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