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jakethesnake:

Harry Monk:

jakethesnake:
What exactly is COVAIDS by the way?

A portmanteau word formed from Covid and AIDS, based on the similar, fear-driven hysteria around AIDS back in the day. I remember, in around 1989 seeing someone on the TV announce solemnly “By the early 1990s, every family in the country will be touched by AIDS”. I said at the time that this was a complete load of ■■■■■■■■ but there were plenty of gullible idiots ready to believe it. No doubt you would have been one of them.

Harry you are not a stupid man but anyone who tries to compare covid with aids ain’t quite right in my book! HIV in England is not really a problem for the average straight male. Never has been , never will. Straight males could avoid HIV and so could gay men if they had any control.
Were there ever 35500 new cases of HIV in England on any one day? Were the HHS ever overwhelmed by HIV? Did we need a lockdown to control stupid people for HIV? Did HIV cause hospitals be so busy they could not deal with cancer patients etc.?

Most people can now live with HIV and hopefully in the near future we can live with covid but with a such a high number of covididiots and conspiracy theorists in the UK I am beginning to wonder.

The only covidiots in this country are the ones that have fallen for the hype of how serious it is. The death rate still doesn’t justify this ludicrous response and wouldn’t of done if we hadn’t locked down either. And under the guise of save the nhs, what a load of guff. Bankrupt the country to save the nhs, even the libtards wouldn’t do that. You just keep listening to that muppet James O’Brien and believe the hype

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jakethesnake:

Harry Monk:

jakethesnake:
What exactly is COVAIDS by the way?

A portmanteau word formed from Covid and AIDS, based on the similar, fear-driven hysteria around AIDS back in the day. I remember, in around 1989 seeing someone on the TV announce solemnly “By the early 1990s, every family in the country will be touched by AIDS”. I said at the time that this was a complete load of ■■■■■■■■ but there were plenty of gullible idiots ready to believe it. No doubt you would have been one of them.

Harry you are not a stupid man but anyone who tries to compare covid with aids ain’t quite right in my book! HIV in England is not really a problem for the average straight male. Never has been , never will. Straight males could avoid HIV and so could gay men if they had any control.
Were there ever 35500 new cases of HIV in England on any one day? Were the HHS ever overwhelmed by HIV? Did we need a lockdown to control stupid people for HIV? Did HIV cause hospitals be so busy they could not deal with cancer patients etc.?

Most people can now live with HIV and hopefully in the near future we can live with covid but with a such a high number of covididiots and conspiracy theorists in the UK I am beginning to wonder.

Can’t speak for Harry, but I’m sure he was using that example as a matter of principle rather than comparing Aids with Covid.
As for your straight men theory…what about the ones who caught it unwittingly from an infected bi.■■■■■■ woman, of which (afaik) there were a few if not many.

Also Jake,.again no stats to back up my theory, but I think you’ll.find that the MAJORITY of those unfortunate to catch Covid are also ‘living with it’ …AND getting through it :bulb: … in varying degrees of illness, despite what the scare mongers are feeding us.

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robroy:

jakethesnake:

Harry Monk:

jakethesnake:
What exactly is COVAIDS by the way?

A portmanteau word formed from Covid and AIDS, based on the similar, fear-driven hysteria around AIDS back in the day. I remember, in around 1989 seeing someone on the TV announce solemnly “By the early 1990s, every family in the country will be touched by AIDS”. I said at the time that this was a complete load of ■■■■■■■■ but there were plenty of gullible idiots ready to believe it. No doubt you would have been one of them.

Harry you are not a stupid man but anyone who tries to compare covid with aids ain’t quite right in my book! HIV in England is not really a problem for the average straight male. Never has been , never will. Straight males could avoid HIV and so could gay men if they had any control.
Were there ever 35500 new cases of HIV in England on any one day? Were the HHS ever overwhelmed by HIV? Did we need a lockdown to control stupid people for HIV? Did HIV cause hospitals be so busy they could not deal with cancer patients etc.?

Most people can now live with HIV and hopefully in the near future we can live with covid but with a such a high number of covididiots and conspiracy theorists in the UK I am beginning to wonder.

Can’t speak for Harry, but I’m sure he was using that example as a matter of principle rather than comparing Aids with Covid.
As for your straight men theory…what about the ones who caught it unwittingly from an infected bi.■■■■■■ woman, of which (afaik) there were a few if not many.

Also Jake,.again no stats to back up my theory, but I think you’ll.find that the MAJORITY of those unfortunate to catch Covid are also ‘living with it’ …AND getting through it :bulb: … in varying degrees of illness, despite what the scare mongers are feeding us.

There really is a lot ■■■■■■■ in these few posts.
From Harry referring back to something he remembers hearing from someone on the TV decades ago, as evidence of what? One individual exaggerating a risk? No, he seems to be equating that with what?? Scientific consensus??
If he remembers some particular statement accurately from then, maybe it is because it was an exceptionally strong statement?
One example doesnt make an argument. . Aids is primarily passed through ■■■, but has also been passed by blood transfusion, contaminated needles, and by mother to baby. Because of research, screening and treatments its spread is reduced in the west, but is a greater risk in poorer countries.
It isnt a reduced risk because medicine ignored it, or said nothing to worry about. Smallpox and polio are not a big danger here. Not because they are not virulent and deadly diseases, but because they have been studied, treated and vaccines used against them. They are not dangerous to us today because of medicines, not because idiots run around saying it is all overblown hype. . Strangely it those same people who today say the world will end tomorrow because some share prices have dropped and unemployment is now up 5%. Under Thatcher it was rarely below that figure and rose to nearly 12%. Scaremongering by the rich crying about their shares, more than most of us maybe? And those who believe the spin from right wing rags, websites, and radio stations with biased presenters and doubtful accuracy. "Keep working to keep the economy buoyant and fund the NHS"? Well, that would have a better ring if it wasnt from those who for decades were shouting about high taxes, and voting for parties cutting NHS funding year after year! The rank hypocrisy is easily explained by the selfish motives of those who benefit most from lower taxes, and don`t need to travel on public transport to get to work in a crowded hospital, office, warehouse etc.
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Of course most people are surviving infection with C19. Who on earth is saying otherwise?
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Is anyone saying the world will end tomorrow? Or is this more fake news alleging that others are saying this?
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If anyone is scared to go out, that is their own over reaction to a serious, but containable, situation.
Being too frit to live is no good, but neither is ignoring a genuine but manageable risk.
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A little bit of common sense and proportionality is missing from too many posts above.
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robroy:

jakethesnake:

Harry Monk:

jakethesnake:
What exactly is COVAIDS by the way?

A portmanteau word formed from Covid and AIDS, based on the similar, fear-driven hysteria around AIDS back in the day. I remember, in around 1989 seeing someone on the TV announce solemnly “By the early 1990s, every family in the country will be touched by AIDS”. I said at the time that this was a complete load of ■■■■■■■■ but there were plenty of gullible idiots ready to believe it. No doubt you would have been one of them.

Harry you are not a stupid man but anyone who tries to compare covid with aids ain’t quite right in my book! HIV in England is not really a problem for the average straight male. Never has been , never will. Straight males could avoid HIV and so could gay men if they had any control.
Were there ever 35500 new cases of HIV in England on any one day? Were the HHS ever overwhelmed by HIV? Did we need a lockdown to control stupid people for HIV? Did HIV cause hospitals be so busy they could not deal with cancer patients etc.?

Most people can now live with HIV and hopefully in the near future we can live with covid but with a such a high number of covididiots and conspiracy theorists in the UK I am beginning to wonder.

Can’t speak for Harry, but I’m sure he was using that example as a matter of principle rather than comparing Aids with Covid.
As for your straight men theory…what about the ones who caught it unwittingly from an infected bi.■■■■■■ woman, of which (afaik) there were a few if not many.

Also Jake,.again no stats to back up my theory, but I think you’ll.find that the MAJORITY of those unfortunate to catch Covid are also ‘living with it’ …AND getting through it :bulb: … in varying degrees of illness, despite what the scare mongers are feeding us.

Yes, I agree about Harry, I though that was clear by my reply. You are quite correct about bi ■■■■■■ woman but we are talking minuscule numbers aren’t we.
You are also correct the majority are living with it and surviving it but that is no comfort to the 50,000 who have lost loved ones and older people a lot of whom are living in fear of catching it and dying. I guess most of the ones on here who think it’s all a big joke are from a younger generation.

Another question for you rob. Why do you think some of the most intelligent people all over the world are scaremongering? For fun?
The UK has an extremely serious problem with covid. It ain’t going away, it’s now worse that during the first wave and the figures are still increasing hence the lockdown to (for obvious reasons to some) and more people are going to die and one of the reasons for that is that some are not taking it seriously enough and spreading it. I understand the economy is suffering but it would be a lot worse if the UK govt hadn’t helped in many ways and a lot better if we had less stupid people. It makes me so happy not to be in the UK anymore.

What gets me is the covididiots and conspiracy theorists don’t seem to realise if they stuck to the rules this could be almost beaten as it has been in a lot of other countries.

What would your solution be? Do you have a better one to beat this pandemic?

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jakethesnake:
You are also correct the majority are living with it and surviving it but that is no comfort to the 50,000 who have lost loved ones and older people a lot of whom are living in fear of catching it and dying. I guess most of the ones on here who think it’s all a big joke are from a younger generation.

Another question for you rob. Why do you think some of the most intelligent people all over the world are scaremongering? For fun?
The UK has an extremely serious problem with covid. It ain’t going away, it’s now worse that during the first wave and the figures are still increasing hence the lockdown to (for obvious reasons to some) and more people are going to die and one of the reasons for that is that some are not taking it seriously enough and spreading it. I understand the economy is suffering but it would be a lot worse if the UK govt hadn’t helped in many ways and a lot better if we had less stupid people. It makes me so happy not to be in the UK anymore.

What gets me is the covididiots and conspiracy theorists don’t seem to realise if they stuck to the rules this could be almost beaten as it has been in a lot of other countries.

What would your solution be? Do you have a better one to beat this pandemic?

No I haven’t … but I think a better way of dealing with it would be as they have dealt with every other flu type thing in the past bird flu,.swine flu, and…flu. :neutral_face: (purely from a layman’s pov btw, I drive a truck I ain’t a scientist)

An alternative way?..Tell.(or rather advise :bulb: ) the old and/or the vulnerable to go on full lockdown type measures…ie stay in, the rest carry on as normal, but obviously take whatever measures you see fit, handwashing, masks if necessary, to avoid both getting it and passing it on.

Again…from a layman’s pov, how I understand it is the immune system works by getting something,.and dealing with it by building up and increasing resistance for next time.

Look I know it ain’t easy to deal with, but by ballsing up the country’s economy,.and adapting a virtual totalitarian state, is not the answer.
The ott total control situation is getting worse, just have a look on You tube at that ■■■■ of a copper pushing over to the ground, an ex military piper on Rememberance day, :open_mouth: for trying to defy the ott banning of veterans at the Cenotaph…absolutely disgraceful and disgusting,.THAT and similar heavy handed ways, is not the way to deal with it…as for the scaremongering, this is an example of the results.

(On a side note, I wonder if that same copper was one of those useless ■■■■ s who by contrast stood back and watched that rabble defaced Churchill’s statue a few weeks earlier,.another discussion for another day Jake)

As for the stats you are chucking at me…I ain’t doubting that this present type is a bit more serious than others, but there have been deaths from those others I mention also for years,.and as someone said out of that 50000, how many have died OF it rather than WITH it?..nobody knows.
It IS serious, but what is 50000 as an average of the population?..I ain’t got a clue, but taking personalities and tragedies in families out of the picture for a moment, , I’ve always been one for not getting carried away, and for keeping stuff in perspective…not meaning to sound harsh to those that have died, just being a realist. :bulb:

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This is from the comments page of today’s Washington Post -

"Today I saw footage of a nurse saying good-bye to her own family via video, before she died from Covid.

Tonight I watched another doctor choke back tears at a press conference.

A little while ago I saw an acquaintance on Facebook post a photo of someone giving the middle finger to our state’s governor. Saying he wasn’t going to force them to stop celebrating Thanksgiving.

I have no words at this point to describe how I feel."

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robroy:
It IS serious, but what is 50000 as an average of the population?..I ain’t got a clue, but taking personalities and tragedies in families out of the picture for a moment, , I’ve always been one for not getting carried away, and for keeping stuff in perspective…not meaning to sound harsh to those that have died, just being a realist. :bulb:

Going on the figure of 68 million for the UK population, then 50,000 is 1 in 1,360.

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jakethesnake:
but that is no comfort to the 50,000 who have lost loved ones

There has not been 50,000 lost to Covid 19. A lot of victims of normal flu have been included and marked as dying from Covid.
Also that figure includes people who have died 28 days after being diagnosed as having covid…so some of those will hve died of old age/ in car crash/ with heart attacks etc etc but will have been marked down with a Covid death.

Smoke and mirrors and bumping the numbers up, im growing more and more into the “what the hell is really going on” camp!

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Franglais:

Harry Monk:

Franglais:
I assume you believe we have gone wrong then?
What do you think we should have done earlier, and should do now?

We should have just accepted that the Covid virus is an unstoppable force of nature and allowed it to run its course while encouraging the vulnerable and elderly to avoid exposure to it until it had.

The Government’s handling of it has been ludicrous. Two lockdowns, with “eat out to help out” sandwiched in the middle?

“Run it’s course” as it started to in Italy? Patients in hospital corridors?
Just let those with COVID get on with it? Or actually allow some to be treated?
I realky don’t see what you would do? Without enough hospital beds or carers would you weed out those with COVID or those over a certain age? What about a young cancer patient with a year to live opposed to a COVID patient of 30 years old. .
Letting it run could probably mean overrun of resources. Who choses those who love or die when beds are full?
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PS eat out to help out, is crazy

Any answer yet about how the vulnerable can isolate, in the real world where they are dependent upon others?

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Winseer:
With Trump and Brexit both being on the edge of oblivion, the purpose of “Covid” is nearly complete.

Watch how quickly it all disappears once Farage and Trump have been forgotten, and the Chinese come a-knocking for their debt repayments - payable in entire cities, counties, and countries…

The Ruling Left around the world - are totally beholden to taking out fresh debt from China each time they get elected. Sooner or later that debt has to be re-paid - or liquidated by default. There’s no “middle way” to dealing with debt via “partial default” like what happened on the 1917 war bonds any longer…

I’m puzzled as to why the Political figures of the Left are not advocating Debt Walkaway as a means of “getting one’s life back”?

Just as Hitler was a “Socialist” using Right Wing Terror to get his agenda done, we currently see Left politicians demanding “debts must be repaid”, whilst Right politicans are shooting far left to the back of beyond, wanting now to run up more debt with foreign communist regimes than even Corbyn had in mind…

So much for “Get Brexit Done” huh?

Who’s idea was it to leave Brexit until after the US election eh?

At the next election, people won’t be running into the arms of Keir Starmer neither… The Labour party are split, with half likely to go the way of characters like Len McCluskey…
Who wouldn’t have laughed if someone said a year ago “Corbyn is going to get kicked out of the Labour Party next year”…?
Indeed, Corbyn’s policy we got told “was too expensive” of Universal Income - makes us now feel like that Noel Edmonds game where you reject the box, only for it to have the major maximum prize in it… Plenty of penny prizes remain… Corbyn threw his chances of becoming PM away when he pandered to the Centerists of the party, and took upon the mantle of Remain, even though PM Cameron at the time - had already picked that ball up… Imagine if he’d gone for Brexit back when he became leader… How different things would be right now.
I’m only Left on Finance though, and couldn’t vote for Corbyn because he supports Terrorists, and rejected Brexit in the end.
I’ll probably be voting for Farage at the next election, or any other candidate who’s party has NOT got any members at Westminster yet. :frowning:
I strongly suspect around 70m Americans will be thinking the same about voting out the Dems AND Republicans in 2024 now…

Could not have been any more obvious really, been saying this from March,unfortunately the masses chose to believe what they are spoon fed. Already the covid hype is disappearing off the air waves. A job well done for the corrupt elite

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Whilst the messiah Joe Biden brings an end to Covid via his false annointing as new world (order) leader, be aware Trump’s lawyers may well prove the election was fraudulent and his winning of the election may well be confirmed.

What will be the best bit is watching Boris Johnsons squirm, he couldn’t wait to ring Biden and kiss his arse, foolish, the next President is not confirmed until mid December when the electoral college announce, no one else and certainly not the media can announce the winner.

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Juddian:
Whilst the messiah Joe Biden brings an end to Covid via his false annointing as new world (order) leader, be aware Trump’s lawyers may well prove the election was fraudulent and his winning of the election may well be confirmed.

What will be the best bit is watching Boris Johnsons squirm, he couldn’t wait to ring Biden and kiss his arse, foolish, the next President is not confirmed until mid December when the electoral college announce, no one else and certainly not the media can announce the winner.

I’d love it if that happened. :smiley:
I’ve been saying all along,.what if Trump is actually right, and there was some hooky element going on.
Never underestimate Trump, people just write him off as an idiot, as they do Boris.
Trump never got so successful in business and so rich by being an idiot, this ain’t over yet.

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msgyorkie:

jakethesnake:
but that is no comfort to the 50,000 who have lost loved ones

There has not been 50,000 lost to Covid 19. A lot of victims of normal flu have been included and marked as dying from Covid.
Also that figure includes people who have died 28 days after being diagnosed as having covid…so some of those will hve died of old age/ in car crash/ with heart attacks etc etc but will have been marked down with a Covid death.

Smoke and mirrors and bumping the numbers up, im growing more and more into the “what the hell is really going on” camp!

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robroy:

jakethesnake:
Look I know it ain’t easy to deal with, but by ballsing up the country’s economy,.and adapting a virtual totalitarian state, is not the answer.
The ott total control situation is getting worse, just have a look on You tube at that [zb] of a copper pushing over to the ground, an ex military piper on Rememberance day, :open_mouth: for trying to defy the ott banning of veterans at the Cenotaph…absolutely disgraceful and disgusting,.THAT and similar heavy handed ways, is not the way to deal with it…as for the scaremongering, this is an example of the results.

(On a side note, I wonder if that same copper was one of those useless [zb] s who by contrast stood back and watched that rabble defaced Churchill’s statue a few weeks earlier,.another discussion for another day Jake)

youtu.be/2RGnK4VBG7Q

Maybe the veterans should of used a black bagpiper then the police would of knelt instead of pushing him to the ground

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Juddian:
Whilst the messiah Joe Biden brings an end to Covid via his false annointing as new world (order) leader, be aware Trump’s lawyers may well prove the election was fraudulent and his winning of the election may well be confirmed.

What will be the best bit is watching Boris Johnsons squirm, he couldn’t wait to ring Biden and kiss his arse, foolish, the next President is not confirmed until mid December when the electoral college announce, no one else and certainly not the media can announce the winner.

As alike the last election when Trump quietly waited in the wings…

2016 Trump had approximately 3 million fewer votes than Clinton, although he had 304 votes in the electoral college vs 227
2020 Biden has, subject to any legal challenge, 306 vs 232. And so far almost 5 million more votes overall.
So it appears a bigger popular vote and a bigger college majority for Biden.

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Night-and-day:

robroy:

jakethesnake:
Look I know it ain’t easy to deal with, but by ballsing up the country’s economy,.and adapting a virtual totalitarian state, is not the answer.
The ott total control situation is getting worse, just have a look on You tube at that [zb] of a copper pushing over to the ground, an ex military piper on Rememberance day, :open_mouth: for trying to defy the ott banning of veterans at the Cenotaph…absolutely disgraceful and disgusting,.THAT and similar heavy handed ways, is not the way to deal with it…as for the scaremongering, this is an example of the results.

(On a side note, I wonder if that same copper was one of those useless [zb] s who by contrast stood back and watched that rabble defaced Churchill’s statue a few weeks earlier,.another discussion for another day Jake)

youtu.be/2RGnK4VBG7Q

Maybe the veterans should of used a black bagpiper then the police would of knelt instead of pushing him to the ground

dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scot … h-22980841
This one?

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Franglais:

Night-and-day:

robroy:

jakethesnake:
Look I know it ain’t easy to deal with, but by ballsing up the country’s economy,.and adapting a virtual totalitarian state, is not the answer.
The ott total control situation is getting worse, just have a look on You tube at that [zb] of a copper pushing over to the ground, an ex military piper on Rememberance day, :open_mouth: for trying to defy the ott banning of veterans at the Cenotaph…absolutely disgraceful and disgusting,.THAT and similar heavy handed ways, is not the way to deal with it…as for the scaremongering, this is an example of the results.

(On a side note, I wonder if that same copper was one of those useless [zb] s who by contrast stood back and watched that rabble defaced Churchill’s statue a few weeks earlier,.another discussion for another day Jake)

youtu.be/2RGnK4VBG7Q

Maybe the veterans should of used a black bagpiper then the police would of knelt instead of pushing him to the ground

dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scot … h-22980841
This one?

Yes that is exactly the one, granted staged but…
A VETERAN was pushed to the ground on REMEMBERANCE SUNDAY by a POLICE OFFICER on the streets of England. If that sits well with you then so be it. The Cenotaph should never of been blocked off. This stunt was to highlight the ridiculous position this country is in now. Like I said, they should of used a black piper because there is absolutely no way that would of happened. If it did they would of still been putting the fires out now

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robroy:

Juddian:
Whilst the messiah Joe Biden brings an end to Covid via his false annointing as new world (order) leader, be aware Trump’s lawyers may well prove the election was fraudulent ]and his winning of the election may well be confirmed.

What will be the best bit is watching Boris Johnsons squirm, he couldn’t wait to ring Biden and kiss his arse, foolish, the next President is not confirmed until mid December when the electoral college announce, no one else and certainly not the media can announce the winner.

I’d love it if that happened. :smiley:
I’ve been saying all along,.what if Trump is actually right, and there was some hooky element going on.
Never underestimate Trump, people just write him off as an idiot, as they do Boris.
Trump never got so successful in business and so rich by being an idiot, this ain’t over yet.

I await any sign of evidence of the fraud he is shouting about. Seen any?

He started with only a few million from his Dad. 437 of them…
If he invested it in bonds and property and did nothing else he would be even richer today.
And how rich actually is he? He is the only president for years who (despite his promises) hasn`t released his tax accounts to the public? Is he as rich and successful as he claims?
"A 2016 analysis of Trump’s business career in The Economist concluded that his performance since 1985 had been “mediocre compared with the stock market and property in New York”.[47] A subsequent analysis in The Washington Post similarly noted that Trump’s estimated net worth of $100 million in 1978 would have increased to $6 billion by 2016 if he had invested it in a typical retirement fund, and concluded that “Trump is a mix of braggadocio, business failures, and real success.”[48]
Wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump

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Night-and-day:
Yes that is exactly the one, granted staged but…
A VETERAN was pushed to the ground on REMEMBERANCE SUNDAY by a POLICE OFFICER on the streets of England. If that sits well with you then so be it. The Cenotaph should never of been blocked off. This stunt was to highlight the ridiculous position this country is in now. Like I said, they should of used a black piper because there is absolutely no way that would of happened. If it did they would of still been putting the fires out now

A copper acting in that way does not sit well with me.
Neither does a political point being staged by an activist on Rememberance Day.
Being an ex-soldier himself, does not give him special rights to usurp the ceremony for his own ends, in my book.

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Franglais:

Night-and-day:
Yes that is exactly the one, granted staged but…
A VETERAN was pushed to the ground on REMEMBERANCE SUNDAY by a POLICE OFFICER on the streets of England. If that sits well with you then so be it. The Cenotaph should never of been blocked off. This stunt was to highlight the ridiculous position this country is in now. Like I said, they should of used a black piper because there is absolutely no way that would of happened. If it did they would of still been putting the fires out now

A copper acting in that way does not sit well with me.
Neither does a political point being staged by an activist on Rememberance Day.
Being an ex-soldier himself, does not give him special rights to usurp the ceremony for his own ends, in my book.

You’ll be telling us next the copper knew exactly who this guy was,.so his behaviour was acceptable. :unamused:
That copper neither knew nor cared who he was, the situation should have been met by him on face value, it was out of order and heavy handed and downright disrespectful.
The symbolism of it it’s self, irrespective of who or what this guy was makes it outrageous, pipers led soldiers across the battlefields of The Somme in WW1 and across the Normandy beaches in WW2, the day, the area,.and the ceremony should have been enough for that copper to act accordingly…he should be sacked imo.

The piper’s motives are a separate issue, and certainly do NOT excuse that copper’s actions…you can say wtf you like.