You got any links to prove that all those countries are safe? Without a link then I’m afraid your opinion is invalid.
Yep absolutely, but more importantly what we need is confirmation, an official statement from an official body from each country.
So ignore everything you actually see and hear, (especially if it is in direct contrast to the said official line,) wait for the official line, believe it,.and more importantly continue to maintain and repeat it at every opportunity.
Otherwise it ain’t valid.
You’re welcome.
You got any links to prove that all those countries are safe? Without a link then I’m afraid your opinion is invalid.
Yep absolutely, but more importantly what we need is confirmation, an official statement from an official body from each country.
So ignore everything you actually see and hear, (especially if it is in direct contrast to the said official line,) wait for the official line, believe it,.and more importantly continue to maintain and repeat it at every opportunity.
Otherwise it ain’t valid.
You’re welcome.
Huh?
So, you dont accept that other countries, as well as the UK offer food and shelter to migrants? So, you dont say the UK is safe?
I have already shown that other countries do offer such.
I believe the UK is safe, and that anyone who says otherwise is some sort of loon.
One of the reasons for voting Brexit was to disconnect from this liability that “taking on all comers” had represented to this country for the past 2 decades in particular.
That successive governments have repeatedly turned their noses up at completing Brexit rather than merely saying they’ve started to implement some soft-bits of it - remains a travesty to the future economy of this country, going onward.
A second, but no less major effect that was supposed to be a by-product of Brexit - was to question our ongoing membership of NATO as Trump did regarding US membership during his presidency. That as a vote-winning issue - has gone NOWHERE of course, as the Deep State simply won’t have it, under any circumstances.
I can imagine NATO-endorsed Assassinations for any world leader who makes any serious attempt to leave NATO rather than the Borgia-like Ukrainian attempts to Join it, just as it went out-of-fashion…
“Immigration” all the while we refuse to seperate the criminals from the economic from the “labour shortage demand” types - will continue to cost this country money, with no mainstream party even having a manifesto commitment to the only two things that were ever going to work:
(1) Closing our borders to all but commercial and tourist traffic
(2) Leaving the ECHR so we can do what we damned well please with the criminals - once they are apprehended and in secure custody.
(3) Able to deport same with total impunity - no “quotas”, no “permission from EU needed” and certainlly no luv-hug from Macron who’s then gotta deal with massive of “refunded refugees” along his northern coastline…
Winseer:
One of the reasons for voting Brexit was to disconnect from this liability that “taking on all comers” had represented to this country for the past 2 decades in particular.
Brexit meant that the UK was no longer part of the Dublin III Agreement.
Under it the UK could return some asylum seekers to the first country they entered.
This is now, because of Brexit, ended.
You got any links to prove that all those countries are safe? Without a link then I’m afraid your opinion is invalid.
Yep absolutely, but more importantly what we need is confirmation, an official statement from an official body from each country.
So ignore everything you actually see and hear, (especially if it is in direct contrast to the said official line,) wait for the official line, believe it,.and more importantly continue to maintain and repeat it at every opportunity.
Otherwise it ain’t valid.
You’re welcome.
Huh?
So, you dont accept that other countries, as well as the UK offer food and shelter to migrants? So, you dont say the UK is safe?
I have already shown that other countries do offer such.
I believe the UK is safe, and that anyone who says otherwise is some sort of loon.
Huh?
Thing is mate, (and what went directly over your swede…apparentlly), is that Maoster’s post,as far as I see it , was both an attempt at flippant humour, and a comment about your approach to all this stuff.
If you are asking a genuine question, …
Of course I realise other countries provide food and shelter to ECONOMIC migrants, countries that are far bigger in area than our relatively small overcrowded island.
Of course the UK is ‘safe’ in general terms.
Lighten up man ffs, you don’t HAVE to take all the political problems of the world on YOUR shoulders.
Especially when done in a ‘drama queen’ stylee.
Winseer:
One of the reasons for voting Brexit was to disconnect from this liability that “taking on all comers” had represented to this country for the past 2 decades in particular.
Brexit meant that the UK was no longer part of the Dublin III Agreement.
Under it the UK could return some asylum seekers to the first country they entered.
This is now, because of Brexit, ended.
Never happened during the Remain years though - did it?
“Some” is the political word for “None” don’t forget, when politicians talk about their own future actions about any subject matter…
That’s why the world needs hard-and-fast “absolutist” approaches to hard problems.
There’s no “Liberal Solution” nor “Two State Solution” for a binary thing, as Binary doesn’t HAVE any '2’s…
robroy:
Huh?
Thing is mate, (and what went directly over your swede…apparentlly), is that Maoster’s post,as far as I see it , was both an attempt at flippant humour, and a comment about your approach to all this stuff.
Of course I realise that it was a joke.
But a joke that relied on a falsehood. Just like all those Bernard Manning/Jim Davidson type “jokes” that rely on lazy stereotypes.
Y`know?
Like all lorry drivers are thick, tattooed, slobs.
All footie fans are racist thugs.
Asylum seekers are “fit young men of fighting age” who are really economic migrants.
robroy:
Of course the UK is ‘safe’ in general terms.
Well, I agree. In general terms, anyway.
Some however believe than “safe” countries are not politically free. Even the UK is accused of being politically biased.
Winseer:
One of the reasons for voting Brexit was to disconnect from this liability that “taking on all comers” had represented to this country for the past 2 decades in particular.
Brexit meant that the UK was no longer part of the Dublin III Agreement.
Under it the UK could return some asylum seekers to the first country they entered.
This is now, because of Brexit, ended.
Never happened during the Remain years though - did it?
I`ll partly agree with that.
Yes, the UK Gov has had plenty of chance to cheaply and easily reduce the impact of migrants.
It has chosen not to do so.
robroy:
Of course the UK is ‘safe’ in general terms.
Well, I agree. In general terms, anyway.
Some however believe than “safe” countries are not politically free. Even the UK is accused of being politically biased.
Are all states and counties not politically biased to.whatever extent?
Biased by the policies of the party in power,…fair enough some more politically biased than others.
Stands to reason to me.
robroy:
Of course the UK is ‘safe’ in general terms.
Well, I agree. In general terms, anyway.
Some however believe than “safe” countries are not politically free. Even the UK is accused of being politically biased.
Are all states and counties not politically biased to.whatever extent?
Biased by the policies of the party in power,…fair enough some more politically biased than others.
Stands to reason to me.
In an ideal world, which I guess we agree doesnt exist, that shouldnt be so.
The UK has dropped in the freedom ratings recently. monitor.civicus.org/country/united-kingdom/
New laws about the freedom to protest peacefully, existing and proposed laws about the right to withdraw labour, etc.
And some have tried to claim asylum in the US because of political persecution in the UK.
The only part of Brexit that was fully implemented straight out the gate - was the disbanding of the Euro MPs, mostly Farage’s people of course…
It is a shame that the EU couldn’t be as efficient in getting rid of unpopular euro-wide policies such as “Immigration Quotas” and then make it impossible to block these criminals via country-to-country statute law enforcement by making the law enforcers the criminals instead…
We’re still a rule-taker, and don’t get to make any laws of our own that cannot be blocked by any random Lefty Lawyer with a box of matches every single time.
This is why anything bar hard-and-fast enforcement won’t work.
Make “Enacting Euro Laws” a matter of contempt in UK courts though?
Hey, Problem Solved overnight!
…You could even bully the endless writ-serving troublemakers with disbarrment, should they not then cease and desist huh?
I’m sure if you asked the average Labour voter “Would you like 5p off income tax OR all injunctions preventing deportations to be fast-tracked.”
They’d choose the former as most Labour voters are NOT “Champagne Socialists” after all.
As of yet, Keir Starmer has rolled out NO policies designed to win voters over from the Tories other than “Vote for us - because we’re not them!”.
Load of rubbish, as always.
You cannot get a ■■■ paper between all parties at westminster, as per deep state approved format:
robroy:
Of course the UK is ‘safe’ in general terms.
Well, I agree. In general terms, anyway.
Some however believe than “safe” countries are not politically free. Even the UK is accused of being politically biased.
Are all states and counties not politically biased to.whatever extent?
Biased by the policies of the party in power,…fair enough some more politically biased than others.
Stands to reason to me.
In an ideal world, which I guess we agree doesnt exist, that shouldnt be so.
The UK has dropped in the freedom ratings recently. monitor.civicus.org/country/united-kingdom/
New laws about the freedom to protest peacefully, existing and proposed laws about the right to withdraw labour, etc.
And some have tried to claim asylum in the US because of political persecution in the UK.
Something we agree on then.
Freedom of speech has gone right down the khazi, you can say nothing these days without some ■■■■ taking offence, either that or it is ‘offence by proxy’ readily and willingly taken (or not) by the pc contingent.
I do not think it is entirely party political either, more right across the board of the non radical, and potentially ruling parties.
As for UK subjects claiming asylum in the US because of it?..assuming you are being serious.
Nah not having that.
robroy:
Something we agree on then.
Freedom of speech has gone right down the khazi, you can say nothing these days without some [zb] taking offence, either that or it is ‘offence by proxy’ readily and willingly taken (or not) by the pc contingent.
I do not think it is entirely party political either, more right across the board of the non radical, and potentially ruling parties.
As for UK subjects claiming asylum in the US because of it?..assuming you are being serious.
Nah not having that.
What worries me is not the social aspect of people squealing because they are offended, (maybe summat else we agree on ) but the laws being enacted.
The Gov are pushing to outlaw strikes of essential services.
And withdraw us from the ECHR.
Freedom of peaceful protest has already been curtailed.
Remember when truck drivers were heroes for delivering food? Isn`t food and fuel essential? Want an extreme Gov to outlaw our right to strike? This lot are laying the foundations.
And UK citizens claiming political asylum in the USA?
Some cheeky sod has already done that, although he didn`t succeed. In fact he was also an illegal immigrant into the US.
“I beg Donald Trump, I beg the American government, to look at my case,” he said on Monday. “I need evacuation from this country because dark forces are at work.”
“was jailed for using a friend’s passport to travel to New York illegally in 2012.”
Winseer:
The only part of Brexit that was fully implemented straight out the gate - was the disbanding of the Euro MPs, mostly Farage’s people of course…
It is a shame that the EU couldn’t be as efficient in getting rid of unpopular euro-wide policies such as “Immigration Quotas” and then make it impossible to block these criminals via country-to-country statute law enforcement by making the law enforcers the criminals instead…
We’re still a rule-taker, and don’t get to make any laws of our own that cannot be blocked by any random Lefty Lawyer with a box of matches every single time.
This is why anything bar hard-and-fast enforcement won’t work.
Make “Enacting Euro Laws” a matter of contempt in UK courts though?
Hey, Problem Solved overnight!
…You could even bully the endless writ-serving troublemakers with disbarrment, should they not then cease and desist huh?
I’m sure if you asked the average Labour voter “Would you like 5p off income tax OR all injunctions preventing deportations to be fast-tracked.”
They’d choose the former as most Labour voters are NOT “Champagne Socialists” after all.
As of yet, Keir Starmer has rolled out NO policies designed to win voters over from the Tories other than “Vote for us - because we’re not them!”.
Load of rubbish, as always.
You cannot get a ■■■ paper between all parties at westminster, as per deep state approved format:
“Keep 'em divided, to keep 'em conquered”.
They didn’t enforce free movement because it was popular - they enforced it to ensure the bosses didn’t have to pay good wages. As long as the bosses don’t want to pay you money for working - free movement will be enshrined.
robroy:
Something we agree on then.
Freedom of speech has gone right down the khazi, you can say nothing these days without some [zb] taking offence, either that or it is ‘offence by proxy’ readily and willingly taken (or not) by the pc contingent.
I do not think it is entirely party political either, more right across the board of the non radical, and potentially ruling parties.
As for UK subjects claiming asylum in the US because of it?..assuming you are being serious.
Nah not having that.
What worries me is not the social aspect of people squealing because they are offended, (maybe summat else we agree on ) but the laws being enacted.
The Gov are pushing to outlaw strikes of essential services. They’ll succeed in getting this through.
And withdraw us from the ECHR. They are only pretending to be pursuing this… I don’t believe this’ll ever happen under any mainstream party in power.
Freedom of peaceful protest has already been curtailed. OK if you’re not right of Karl marx, otherwise you’ll be arrested for resisting arrest…
Remember when truck drivers were heroes for delivering food? Isn`t food and fuel essential? Want an extreme Gov to outlaw our right to strike? This lot are laying the foundations. Not enough is said of the “Far Center” which essentially is what the Deep State amounts to. “LIberal Extremists” or “Hard Centerists” if you will.
And UK citizens claiming political asylum in the USA?
Some cheeky sod has already done that, although he didn`t succeed. In fact he was also an illegal immigrant into the US.
“I beg Donald Trump, I beg the American government, to look at my case,” he said on Monday. “I need evacuation from this country because dark forces are at work.”
“was jailed for using a friend’s passport to travel to New York illegally in 2012.”
Jailed. All the while thousands of criminals with long records are crossing into the US “nothing done”… If you want justice - you’ll have to rise up to get it!
robroy:
Something we agree on then.
Freedom of speech has gone right down the khazi, you can say nothing these days without some [zb] taking offence, either that or it is ‘offence by proxy’ readily and willingly taken (or not) by the pc contingent.
I do not think it is entirely party political either, more right across the board of the non radical, and potentially ruling parties.
As for UK subjects claiming asylum in the US because of it?..assuming you are being serious.
Nah not having that.
What worries me is not the social aspect of people squealing because they are offended, (maybe summat else we agree on ) but the laws being enacted.
The Gov are pushing to outlaw strikes of essential services.
And withdraw us from the ECHR.
Freedom of peaceful protest has already been curtailed.
Remember when truck drivers were heroes for delivering food? Isn`t food and fuel essential? Want an extreme Gov to outlaw our right to strike? This lot are laying the foundations.
And UK citizens claiming political asylum in the USA?
Some cheeky sod has already done that, although he didn`t succeed. In fact he was also an illegal immigrant into the US.
“I beg Donald Trump, I beg the American government, to look at my case,” he said on Monday. “I need evacuation from this country because dark forces are at work.”
“was jailed for using a friend’s passport to travel to New York illegally in 2012.”
Freedom of protest unless the protestors fit the bill though eh?
Ok to vandalise age old statues whilst the Police act as spectators, but the likes of Tommy Robinson gets arrested for drawing attention to scroungers in hotels etc.
More so from the working class pov… a travesty that ‘they’ are wanting to abolish the right to strike.
Thatcher already did away with the desire to strike by selling the working classes their council owned homes, so I suppose it is the next inevitable progression, although it has taken 30+ years to kick in.
Tory policy, keep the working class in their place.
But to re.kindle an old argument, is there actually an alternative party that represents the likes of you and me,.two lifelong working blokes and our families?
Because the Labour Party sure as hell has lost it’s way…but we have been here before eh?
I may even vote Labour myself, as many more will, if only just to do away with the present shower of sh,.same reason I voted Tory last time.
As you know the present guy/regime ain’t who many of us actually did vote for, but apparentlly social based after work parties during pseudo health risks take precedence over the majority of voters will,(the downfall of who was actually voted for and the biggest reason they got in)
So I reckon the old saying of ‘lessons will be learned’ will prevail.
The ‘Dark forces at work’ asylum seeker.
Which one was it…Winseer or Carryfast?
robroy:
Ok to vandalise age old statues whilst the Police act as spectators,
The Bristol statue of Colston? Four people were charged and tried for vandalism.
The police didn`t intervene at the time, but did charge and prosecute them.
robroy:
but the likes of Tommy Robinson gets arrested for drawing attention to scroungers in hotels etc.
Ah? I know he was arrested for interfering in a criminal trial. His actions might have led to an appeal for mistrial and the guilty escaping justice.
robroy:
The ‘Dark forces at work’ asylum seeker.
Which one was it…Winseer or Carryfast
Neither.
Tommy Robinson aka.'Yaxley-Lennon/McMaster/Harris/King was the illegal immigrant that wanted asylum in the US.
Not just Colston,.what about the vandalism of the Churchill statue.
What about the lax attitude to BLM protests.
So you actually thought I was serious about Winseer and CF…nah.
Even you could not be so serious as that.
Btw…Your sense of humour has just been on the phone mate, it wants to know if it can come back to you.
) but the laws being enacted.