Franglais:
Also for completeness
Australia 77 death per million
UK 325.Yep the Aussies voted back in those who put life above profits for the likes of Murdoch, the well know economic migrant and COVID hypocrite.
FFS , talk about apples and oranges, one of them isn’t even a fruit!
Australia shut its borders, it’s remote, and the population is less than Neighbours viewing figures in this country (that statistic might be out of date [emoji23]).
I’d rather have been in the UK throughout.
robroy:
[:However has this segregation and persecution theory materialised?..,.
I look around and see no difference made between the jabbed and the unjabbed.
:
We still can’t visit the USA (among other countries).
stu675:
Franglais:
Also for completeness
Australia 77 death per million
UK 325.Yep the Aussies voted back in those who put life above profits for the likes of Murdoch, the well know economic migrant and COVID hypocrite.
FFS , talk about apples and oranges, one of them isn’t even a fruit!
Australia shut its borders, it’s remote, and the population is less than Neighbours viewing figures in this country (that statistic might be out of date [emoji23]).
I’d rather have been in the UK throughout.
Agree Stu,
Posting as just fed up of someone quoting stuff with figures and sources, so FACT checking em as such, no mention of age factors ?, plus figures are wrong, but depends on sources … lol 
As of April 30, 2023, the COVID-19 deaths per million
United Kingdom: 2,557 deaths per million
Australia: 91 deaths per million (based on a total of
2,283 deaths)
Sources:
Our World in Data for the United Kingdom: ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths
Australian Government Department of Health for Australia: health.gov.au/news/health-a … se-numbers
Rural vs City: The UK and Australia both have urban and rural areas, and the impact of the pandemic has been felt differently in each. In the UK, cities such as London, Birmingham, and Manchester were hit hard by the virus, while rural areas had fewer cases and deaths. In Australia, cities such as Melbourne and Sydney were also hit hard, but the virus was kept largely under control in regional areas. However, both countries experienced outbreaks in aged care facilities that led to significant deaths,
Older generation: COVID-19 has been particularly deadly for older people, and the age profile of the population can influence the death rate. In the UK, there is a higher proportion of elderly people compared to Australia.
This may have contributed to the higher death rate in the UK, or nothing to do with it ? 
Rupert Murdoch is not a migrant in the traditional sense of the word. He was born in Melbourne, Australia in 1931, and he later became a citizen of the United States in 1985. While he has lived and worked in many countries throughout his life, he has never been classified as a migrant or refugee.
stu675:
Franglais:
Also for completeness
Australia 77 death per million
UK 325.Yep the Aussies voted back in those who put life above profits for the likes of Murdoch, the well know economic migrant and COVID hypocrite.
FFS , talk about apples and oranges, one of them isn’t even a fruit!
Australia shut its borders, it’s remote, and the population is less than Neighbours viewing figures in this country (that statistic might be out of date [emoji23]).
I’d rather have been in the UK throughout.
So?
Why do you think I went back to ADD Aus and the UK?
To try and make you think they are really Nordic countries?
Juddian mentioned Aus in his post.
But you are correct Aus with a strict lockdown did very well didnt it? But I didnt include them in the comparison chart did I?
The population of Aus? Much greater than any Nordic country, but so what?
If you care to read what has been written they are rates, not total numbers.
TonkaBoy:
Rupert Murdoch is not a migrant in the traditional sense of the word. He was born in Melbourne, Australia in 1931, and he later became a citizen of the United States in 1985. While he has lived and worked in many countries throughout his life, he has never been classified as a migrant or refugee.
No one said Murdoch was a refugee.
He is an economic migrant. He moved to the US in order to pursue his business interests.
migrant
noun
1.
a person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.
(OED)
Is the Oxford Dictionary “traditional” enough for you?
stu675:
robroy:
[:However has this segregation and persecution theory materialised?..,.
I look around and see no difference made between the jabbed and the unjabbed.
:We still can’t visit the USA (among other countries).
Sorta ■■■■■, like America, then again we have Natural immunity, the jabbed don’t, and so for those that caught it, their future next generations will benefit, and not full of untested science… they’ll thank us later… and be stronger than the rest of the sheep
Franglais:
TonkaBoy:
Rupert Murdoch is not a migrant in the traditional sense of the word. He was born in Melbourne, Australia in 1931, and he later became a citizen of the United States in 1985. While he has lived and worked in many countries throughout his life, he has never been classified as a migrant or refugee.No one said Murdoch was a refugee.
He is an economic migrant. He moved to the US in order to pursue his business interests.migrant
noun
1.
a person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.
(OED)Is the Oxford Dictionary “traditional” enough for you?
… depends on my individual perspectives and criteria if its traditional or not… didn’t say anyone had called him a refugee, was just giving the FACTS and a perspective about him being called a migrant
the one thing you took from the post…
“Refugee” … but fair enough.
…
TonkaBoy:
stu675:
robroy:
[:However has this segregation and persecution theory materialised?..,.
I look around and see no difference made between the jabbed and the unjabbed.
:We still can’t visit the USA (among other countries).
Sorta ■■■■■, like America, then again we have Natural immunity, the jabbed don’t, and so for those that caught it, their future next generations will benefit, and not full of untested science… they’ll thank us later… and be stronger than the rest of the sheep
Check out the shedding issue.The gene therapy effectively makes the resulting genetic manufactured spike material airborne and transmissible from the gene therapied to non gene therapied.Let alone blood transfusion.
As for the lockdown of the ‘non gene therapied’ notice how the definition deliberately escalated from firstly one viral vector AZ being enough to then two being required to then open ended umpteen more PZ etc mRNA type concoctions to fit the definition of fit to travel.
While we’ll only even make a start on the fight back by not letting the scammers keep getting away with pushing the ‘virus’ and ‘vaccine’ narrative.
It’s a lab produced chimaera and gene therapy.All with the UK’s Porton Down, US Fort Detrick and CCP Wuhan being up to their necks in it.
Who would have thought it having first got away with the narrative that a bit of light aluminium, in the form of aircraft wings and tail and fuselage, somehow smashed its way through structural steel holding up a 1,000 foot + skyscraper or two and the massive thick concrete walls of the Pentagon at ground level.No surprise in era of CGI.
It’s obvious that the US went rogue from JFK being taken out by multiple shooters armed with M1 carbines not a Patsy armed with an antique Italian rifle.No surprise shortly after JFK effectively called out the CCP over Vietnam.
Conspiracy theory indeed.
Remind me which country recognised the CCP’s hijack of China first ?.
the maoster:
Juddian:
It’ll fall on stony ground here mind.Perhaps!
Those who in good faith were vaccinated are I suspect rueing the day they submitted, the vociferous pro vaxxers on the other hand are too invested in the lie to back down and they also I suspect silence their inner voice that dares to question the efficacy of the whole charade.
Even now I have friends who swallowed and believed wholeheartedly the snake oil salesmen who will still argue that yes, the vaccine didn’t stop them catching or spreading C 19 but “the effects are far less serious “. Yeah right! I’m in my late 50’s, I smoke too much, I drink too much, I exercise very little, I’ve caught Covid twice and both times I’ve had a two day headache and loss of taste. When I point this out I’m told “well you were lucky” bull [zb] !
I hold no problem with anyone who believed the hype, why would I? It was the single most cleverly constructed and overwhelming hype the world has ever witnessed. No, my ire is reserved for the rabid pro vaxxers who wasted not a single opportunity to judge others and to spew their bile . My fervent wish is that if they convinced even one single unsure person to be vaccinated that the Devil has a special place in Hell for them.
All that while at the same time, like Robroy, you’re pushing the ■■■■ up not conspiracy narrative.While having the nerve to flame me regarding making the wrong call as to which of the two logical conspiracies it was.
I forgot to add to my take on all this Covid stuff to my last post.
The jab…
I do think that it was developed in all good faith to be nothing more than an antidote for Covid, as part of the ott over reactive hysteria I mentioned, contrary to popular belief,. and with no sinister intentions or motives.
But I do think it was rushed through in desperation to counteract the pandemic with many corners cut…despite what we are told.
I also believe it has taken the establishment by surprise on as to how many adverse effects it has caused, and how many people have died after having it, I also believe it is/was not fit for purpose.
They are still defending and denying this in fear of mass litigation,.and condemning anybody who speaks out against it all it would appear,.ie a damage limitation and spin excercise to cover their collective arses.
As I said,.some worldwide joint Govt/conglomerate conspiracy to reduce the population, and at the same time make millions, or any other equally as ridiculous type theory, just smacks of Hollywood epic sci fi stuff in MY opinion.
Time will tell anyway.
Let’s face it , and be honest here, most got the jab because folk just wanted to get abroad on holiday, well most of folk I know did anyway.
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rearaxle:
Let’s face it , and be honest here, most got the jab because folk just wanted to get abroad on holiday, well most of folk I know did anyway.
Yep just as I said earlier,…and not only hols,.but every ■■■■ other avenue of enjoyment that they threatened to close off 
…, so with me being entirely shallow , I thought there comes a time when it’s futile to resist.
Thing is even though all of that, I ain’t been abroad since before lockdown , mainly because there was no way I was going to spoil my hol by sitting in a plane,.and then walking around the pool.wearing a ■■■■ mask. 
Anyhoo…Got a week booked late next month back to Cyprus…mask free.
Feeling a bit conned btw.
robroy:
I forgot to add to my take on all this Covid stuff to my last post.
The jab…
I do think that it was developed in all good faith to be nothing more than an antidote for Covid, as part of the ott over reactive hysteria I mentioned, contrary to popular belief,. and with no sinister intentions or motives.But I do think it was rushed through in desperation to counteract the pandemic with many corners cut…despite what we are told.
I also believe it has taken the establishment by surprise on as to how many adverse effects it has caused, and how many people have died after having it, I also believe it is/was not fit for purpose.
They are still defending and denying this in fear of mass litigation,.and condemning anybody who speaks out against it all it would appear,.ie a damage limitation and spin excercise to cover their collective arses.
As I said,.some worldwide joint Govt/conglomerate conspiracy to reduce the population, and at the same time make millions, or any other equally as ridiculous type theory, just smacks of Hollywood epic sci fi stuff in MY opinion.
Time will tell anyway.
So ‘surprised’ that the government saw the need to remove all product liability from the manufacturers of the ‘anti dote’ and to sell what is a clearly an experimental gene therapy as a ‘vaccine’ to the gullible public.
Also bearing in mind the descriptions anti dote and vaccine are an oxymoron and mutually exclusive.
Also the US government allowing a confidentiality clause on the previous animal test results of the ‘anti dote’.
While by definition anti dote implies an artificially created pathogen.
Bearing in mind that the pathogen seems to be a pretext for the ‘anti dote’ with the ‘anti dote’ clearly being in place before the pathogen.
Ridiculous Hollywood theory indeed.
robroy:
I forgot to add to my take on all this Covid stuff to my last post.
The jab…
I do think that it was developed in all good faith to be nothing more than an antidote for Covid, as part of the ott over reactive hysteria I mentioned, contrary to popular belief,. and with no sinister intentions or motives.But I do think it was rushed through in desperation to counteract the pandemic with many corners cut…despite what we are told.
I also believe it has taken the establishment by surprise on as to how many adverse effects it has caused, and how many people have died after having it, I also believe it is/was not fit for purpose.
They are still defending and denying this in fear of mass litigation,.and condemning anybody who speaks out against it all it would appear,.ie a damage limitation and spin excercise to cover their collective arses.
As I said,.some worldwide joint Govt/conglomerate conspiracy to reduce the population, and at the same time make millions, or any other equally as ridiculous type theory, just smacks of Hollywood epic sci fi stuff in MY opinion.
Time will tell anyway.
Time has already shown us this:
“Monthly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) have been consistently lower for all months since booster introduction in September 2021 for people who had received at least a third dose or booster at least 21 days ago, compared with unvaccinated people and those with just a first or second dose.”
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … cember2022
Adjusting for age those vaccinated are less likely to die than those unvaccinated.
Maybe time will also tell us that the vaccinated are going to drop dead at exactly 6 years, 6 months and 6 days from the date of the jab?
I`ll take my chances on being part of that conspiracy without too many sleepless nights!
So, how many people have died from the vaccine RR?
How many are queuing up to take part in “mass litigation”?
In England and Wales, up to Dec 2022, there were 60 deaths from vaccine effects.
Sixty in total.
Every one is an individual tragedy for the deceased and their family, of course, but the numbers are tiny compared with what (almost) everyone can see as the losses due to C19.
How does that 60 in total compare with C19 deaths? How about in your (I think) age group?
In 2021 alone for 45-64 age group over 11,000 deaths.
11,000 compared to 60…
Personally I`m happy to take the chance that the 666 curse will overtake me later!
As of May 16, 2022, the MHRA has received reports of 545 deaths in England and Wales following vaccination with a COVID-19 vaccine.
Carryfast:
robroy:
I forgot to add to my take on all this Covid stuff to my last post.
The jab…
I do think that it was developed in all good faith to be nothing more than an antidote for Covid, as part of the ott over reactive hysteria I mentioned, contrary to popular belief,. and with no sinister intentions or motives.But I do think it was rushed through in desperation to counteract the pandemic with many corners cut…despite what we are told.
I also believe it has taken the establishment by surprise on as to how many adverse effects it has caused, and how many people have died after having it, I also believe it is/was not fit for purpose.
They are still defending and denying this in fear of mass litigation,.and condemning anybody who speaks out against it all it would appear,.ie a damage limitation and spin excercise to cover their collective arses.
As I said,.some worldwide joint Govt/conglomerate conspiracy to reduce the population, and at the same time make millions, or any other equally as ridiculous type theory, just smacks of Hollywood epic sci fi stuff in MY opinion.
Time will tell anyway.
So ‘surprised’ that the government saw the need to remove all product liability from the manufacturers of the ‘anti dote’ and to sell what is a clearly an experimental gene therapy as a ‘vaccine’ to the gullible public.
Also bearing in mind the descriptions anti dote and vaccine are an oxymoron and mutually exclusive.
Also the US government allowing a confidentiality clause on the previous animal test results of the ‘anti dote’.
While by definition anti dote implies an artificially created pathogen.
Bearing in mind that the pathogen seems to be a pretext for the ‘anti dote’ with the ‘anti dote’ clearly being in place before the pathogen.
Ridiculous Hollywood theory indeed.
Thing is mate al this stuff you regularly pontificate over us of lower intelligence to yourself (as you see it btw, not the actual state of play in reality) does not entirely correlate with your actions…you HAVE been vaccinated despite all the pseudo knowledge and bravado that you arrogantly deliver on here.! 
So what puzzles ne on all this stuff and you, is this…
If you felt so strongly about it and smugly saw what you took as the real agenda…
A.Why tf did you go ahead.
B.Why are you making yourself look stupid now by saying one thing after doing another.?
I too have had it, but at least I have the grace, humility, and character to admit I was wrong, by stating numerous times that I partly and initially fell for a lot of the crap… and neither do.I attempt to ridicule those who did the same as me , for whatever reason that was at the time.
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in the UK, as of December 2021, there were 14,261 deaths involving COVID-19 in the 45-64 age group. It is important to note that this figure includes deaths where COVID-19 was a x contributing × factor but may not have been the underlying cause of death.
But getting to those stats unable to do, so it means nothing as inaccurate.
Had many people saying they had friends pass, labeled as covid when it wasnt, but other factors…
Doesn’t matter how many died, it matters we were lied to, and they actually reduced natural immunity… and people should of had CHOICE !! Not threats and from peer pressure from the likes of Franglais…
Free choice…!!! That’s the issue, and why those still peddling this crap are wrong to do so…
TonkaBoy:
As of May 16, 2022, the MHRA has received reports of 545 deaths in England and Wales following vaccination with a COVID-19 vaccine.
Assuming that is true…so what?
All events after vaccinations are reported, as they should be. Reporting any event is proper. Reporting an event is not proof of a causal link.
All of those deaths would have been investigated and 60 were due to vaccine.
We have in the past had a lot of stuff about deaths “with Covid” and “due to Covid” .
Having C19 and dying doesn`t mean that C19 was responsible for that death. The stats from the ONS have their methodology clearly explained on their site. A C19 death is one where C19 was the underlying cause, not death from the number 9 bus when the C19 was present.
The same applies to vaccine deaths. Having a jab and then dying of a heart attack whilst running a marathon, doesnt mean that the jab caused the death does it? That would absolutely correctly be reported, but that isnt necessarily a vaccine death.
The 60 deaths are vaccine deaths.
Franglais:
robroy:
I forgot to add to my take on all this Covid stuff to my last post.
The jab…
I do think that it was developed in all good faith to be nothing more than an antidote for Covid, as part of the ott over reactive hysteria I mentioned, contrary to popular belief,. and with no sinister intentions or motives.But I do think it was rushed through in desperation to counteract the pandemic with many corners cut…despite what we are told.
I also believe it has taken the establishment by surprise on as to how many adverse effects it has caused, and how many people have died after having it, I also believe it is/was not fit for purpose.
They are still defending and denying this in fear of mass litigation,.and condemning anybody who speaks out against it all it would appear,.ie a damage limitation and spin excercise to cover their collective arses.
As I said,.some worldwide joint Govt/conglomerate conspiracy to reduce the population, and at the same time make millions, or any other equally as ridiculous type theory, just smacks of Hollywood epic sci fi stuff in MY opinion.
Time will tell anyway.
Time has already shown us this:
“Monthly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) have been consistently lower for all months since booster introduction in September 2021 for people who had received at least a third dose or booster at least 21 days ago, compared with unvaccinated people and those with just a first or second dose.”
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … cember2022
Adjusting for age those vaccinated are less likely to die than those unvaccinated.Maybe time will also tell us that the vaccinated are going to drop dead at exactly 6 years, 6 months and 6 days from the date of the jab?
I`ll take my chances on being part of that conspiracy without too many sleepless nights!So, how many people have died from the vaccine RR?
How many are queuing up to take part in “mass litigation”?In England and Wales, up to Dec 2022, there were 60 deaths from vaccine effects.
Sixty in total.
Every one is an individual tragedy for the deceased and their family, of course, but the numbers are tiny compared with what (almost) everyone can see as the losses due to C19.How does that 60 in total compare with C19 deaths? How about in your (I think) age group?
In 2021 alone for 45-64 age group over 11,000 deaths.
11,000 compared to 60…Personally I`m happy to take the chance that the 666 curse will overtake me later!
As.I said earlier…‘‘Franglais will be along soon to rubbish my points and give us the official line’’
A tad late, but BLTN.
Ok then you know what mate?..
All the questions you chuck at me after quoting all the ‘‘facts’’ and official statistics (whether or not you see them as proven therefore rhetorical) the answer is the same as everybody else in this world after all this stuff. 
ie…I DON’T KNOW…and in reality that includes YOU !!, despite your self perceived ‘specialist knowledge’.
What I DO know is that stats and figures can be adjusted, manipulated,.and downright untrue after those who stand to gain, and/or those who stand to face embarrasment …and litigation ! ,.have seen to it that they are made to look better according to their agenda.
I also know authoritative bodies are prone to lying also for the reasons I have already stated.
Cover ups and spin have always been rife and part of the course in government…irrefutable fact.
Now I know,.and most of us have picked up that you tend to believe most of what you are officially told on all this stuff,.so we are NEVER going to agree.
So I am willing to leave it there if you are?
Both mutually accepting each others pov,.rather than have an entire day arguing about it,.as I have a date with the Mrs this Bank Hol afternoon. 