robroy:
Winseer:
Hitler - eventually killed himself,Just to keep in with the Conspiracy theory theme
…
No he didn’t he got safe passage to Argentina on U boat with the rest of them, and lived on well into the 50s.
I guess we could agree on "Hitler was as dead in 1946 as Epstein was in 2022"… 
Winseer:
robroy:
Winseer:
Hitler - eventually killed himself,Just to keep in with the Conspiracy theory theme
No he didn’t he got safe passage to Argentina on U boat with the rest of them, and lived on well into the 50s.I guess we could agree on "Hitler was as dead in 1946 as Epstein was in 2022"…
Na…not a clue mate,.we’re on a different wavelength. 
Are we talking Brian or Jeffery here,.and what is the connection?
.afaik Hitler never was a ■■■ pest nor managed The Beatles and Jeffrey never invaded Poland, nor in fact did Brian.
Are we saying at least one of them is still alive here ?
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robroy:
Winseer:
robroy:
Winseer:
Hitler - eventually killed himself,Just to keep in with the Conspiracy theory theme
No he didn’t he got safe passage to Argentina on U boat with the rest of them, and lived on well into the 50s.I guess we could agree on "Hitler was as dead in 1946 as Epstein was in 2022"…
Na…not a clue mate,.we’re on a different wavelength.
Are we talking Brian or Jeffery here,.and what is the connection?
.afaik Hitler never was a ■■■ pest nor managed The Beatles and Jeffrey never invaded Poland, nor in fact did Brian.
Are we saying at least one of them is still alive here ?
Jeffreybodies gotta learn sometime…
I don’t believe he was murdered in his cell. We heard what we wanted to hear, and the conspiracy is that he was murdered, when more likely he was spirited away like you suggest for Adolf to South America, and some poor Chef’s cadaver with completely different ears - got to be the stand-in corpse that was duly given funeral under the name “J Epstein”…
Billionaires - simply don’t do Jail, and don’t do suicide neither.
Either he was murdered, or he ain’t dead at all. The former would then beg the question “Who By?” if they are ALL in the kiddiefiddling business, after all… 
They extracted one of their own, on the basis that although he keeps his cash, - he can never be seen in public again, and ascendes to the realm of “Deep State Top Table Sitter” maybe… 
rearaxle:
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But why doesn’t he say that it looks, flies and quacks like an intentional ( depopulation ? ) agenda in line with Gates’ stated issues in that regard.
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Cheers for that.
It’ll fall on stony ground here mind.
Juddian:
It’ll fall on stony ground here mind.
Perhaps!
Those who in good faith were vaccinated are I suspect rueing the day they submitted, the vociferous pro vaxxers on the other hand are too invested in the lie to back down and they also I suspect silence their inner voice that dares to question the efficacy of the whole charade.
Even now I have friends who swallowed and believed wholeheartedly the snake oil salesmen who will still argue that yes, the vaccine didn’t stop them catching or spreading C 19 but “the effects are far less serious “. Yeah right! I’m in my late 50’s, I smoke too much, I drink too much, I exercise very little, I’ve caught Covid twice and both times I’ve had a two day headache and loss of taste. When I point this out I’m told “well you were lucky” bull ■■■■ !
I hold no problem with anyone who believed the hype, why would I? It was the single most cleverly constructed and overwhelming hype the world has ever witnessed. No, my ire is reserved for the rabid pro vaxxers who wasted not a single opportunity to judge others and to spew their bile . My fervent wish is that if they convinced even one single unsure person to be vaccinated that the Devil has a special place in Hell for them.
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Just googled him, he comes up as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ which may be right may be wrong, who knows,who cares, but what struck me is he is an AIDS denier. 
I mean ffs,.an AIDS denier,.a bit like a headache denier maybe?
The only point I can see for highlighting this sort of stuff on here is for those who decided not to have a jab (and good on em…seriously,.I mean that ) is to gloat.
I’ve had 2 which on reflection as I’ve said before on here, I do kinda regret, and again as .I’ve said before, I ain’t having anymore, but you/they can gloat to your arse holes close up …,.because newsflash…I don’t ■■■■ care.
I’m.a big believer in making decisions in life and sticking with them, make my own bed/lie in it etc etc, and if I end up regretting something,.and/or it turns out a bad move and goes ■■■■ up, C’ est la vie Rodders,.that’s life.
And there ain’t much in life ever phases me . 
If I drop next week because of a jab,.I’ve had a ■■■■ good life, especially a bloody good social one, I have a cracking wife and 4 great kids.
So given the choice of my life with a couple of hooky jabs,.with somebody who has not had the jabs, with a ■■■■ full on ■■■■ boring life,.and maybe married to a munter 
, I’ll.stay as I am, I know it ain’t an either/or situation,.I’m sure some of you are the oldest swingers in town married to a Kim Wilde lookalike, but you know what I mean.
Better to burn out than to rust is one of .y favourite sayings, …so ‘‘Je ne regret rien’’ as Edith Piaff once said…but carry on gloating if it floats yer boats. 
I ain’t gloating RR, I’m ■■■■■■ angry is what I am. I’m angry that you and billions of other well meaning people have been right royally stitched. I (as I’ve said) don’t blame you one bit; the propaganda was pervasive after all. I’m angry that you are nothing more than an experiment.
the maoster:
I ain’t gloating RR, I’m [zb] angry is what I am. I’m angry that you and billions of other well meaning people have been right royally stitched. I (as I’ve said) don’t blame you one bit; the propaganda was pervasive after all. I’m angry that you are nothing more than an experiment.
I know mate,.I know the score, we’ve discussed this, my comments were not aimed at you by any means.
Bit ■■■■■■ that you actually thought they were tbh.
robroy:
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Just googled him, he comes up as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ which may be right may be wrong, who knows,who cares, but what struck me is he is an AIDS denier.
I mean ffs,.an AIDS denier,.a bit like a headache denier maybe?The only point I can see for highlighting this sort of stuff on here is for those who decided not to have a jab (and good on em…seriously,.I mean that ) is to gloat.
I’ve had 2 which on reflection as I’ve said before on here, I do kinda regret, and again as .I’ve said before, I ain’t having anymore, but you/they can gloat to your arse holes close up
I’m.a big believer in making decisions in life and sticking with them, make my own bed/lie in it etc etc, and if I end up regretting something,.and/or it turns out a bad move and goes ■■■■ up, C’ est la vie Rodders,.that’s life.
And there ain’t much in life ever phases me .If I drop next week because of a jab,.I’ve had a [zb] good life, especially a bloody good social one, I have a cracking wife and 4 great kids.
So given the choice of my life with a couple of hooky jabs,.with somebody who has not had the jabs, with a [zb] full on [zb] boring life,.and maybe married to a munterBetter to burn out than to rust is one of .y favourite sayings, …so ‘‘Je ne regret rien’’ as Edith Piaff once said…but carry on gloating if it floats yer boats.
Just think: When Conspiracy Theorists - didn’t weaken the super-rich, didn’t de-stablize governments, and didn’t upset the mainsteam media - We got left alone.
NOW we keep getting proven right time and time again though?
Suddenly we’re now domestic terrorists, dissidents, and “Right Wing Loons” when in fact, people that dispute what “government tells them” - can be from ALL walks of life, and ALL forms of political persuasion…
I wear my title as a badge of honour, but ‘don’t take any third lights’, let’s say… 
One day, maybe even the Believer and the Heathen - will join forces against the common evil against all mankind now…
the maoster:
I ain’t gloating RR, I’m [zb] angry is what I am. I’m angry that you and billions of other well meaning people have been right royally stitched. I (as I’ve said) don’t blame you one bit; the propaganda was pervasive after all. I’m angry that you are nothing more than an experiment.
I stopped worrying about the “Jabber Extremists” once I realized that anyone that wasn’t strongly for the lockdown, being jabbed, and accepting one’s fate thereafter - was automatically assumed to be against it and the “domestic terrorists” etc etc…
It would have helped a bit if the police enforced it properly, rather than bullied oldsters walking their dogs, and leaving alone political activists of whatever persuasion - upsetting the public in the street…
Hint: Political Protestors need to lobby and harass the ESTABLISHMENT people - NOT the public they hope to one day win over, to achieve political power thereof…
A lot of what is posted here, even if just a percentage is correct, is too much to ignore, history shows the game for what it is… just evolution of everything.
Workhouses still exist, but in a different form, Dwp, and rent, They needed capital at one point, so sold houses to the workers, knowing they would steal them back later.
The industrial revolution may of given the workers the right to vote, but it means nothing, we don’t control who goes in the house of Lords.
Immigration, is modern slavery, but with a modern twist, the prospected slaves actually risk life and limb to put themselves into slavery, no ships needed, they pile into a little inflatable boat, its worked so well they struggle to house them whilst they filter out those most suitable, and projects for them to work on.
Then rather than using stocks to publicly punish workers to create fear amongst the rest for disobedience, they use the modern version, that of disease etc so can’t be accused directly, but still control, and remove the trouble makers…
As for Eton, Harvard, Kings, Oxford etc, these are their recruiting/training grounds, as not only do you need the brain, but also the money! and what I wish were destroyed by the extremists, but notice they never do… funny that eh… lol.
Conspiracy theorist, are those looking for answers as they see the lies, and able to sense something is wrong… and there is… however several more generations with downgraded education, and the slaves/workers will be back under control, the Internet just a place of lies, deep fake will be its lable, so that video showing their ill deeds… well its fake isn’t it ? … or is it… just a conspiracy isn’t it… or is it…
the maoster:
Juddian:
It’ll fall on stony ground here mind.Perhaps!
Those who in good faith were vaccinated are I suspect rueing the day they submitted, the vociferous pro vaxxers on the other hand are too invested in the lie to back down and they also I suspect silence their inner voice that dares to question the efficacy of the whole charade.
Even now I have friends who swallowed and believed wholeheartedly the snake oil salesmen who will still argue that yes, the vaccine didn’t stop them catching or spreading C 19 but “the effects are far less serious “. Yeah right! I’m in my late 50’s, I smoke too much, I drink too much, I exercise very little, I’ve caught Covid twice and both times I’ve had a two day headache and loss of taste. When I point this out I’m told “well you were lucky” bull [zb] !
I hold no problem with anyone who believed the hype, why would I? It was the single most cleverly constructed and overwhelming hype the world has ever witnessed. No, my ire is reserved for the rabid pro vaxxers who wasted not a single opportunity to judge others and to spew their bile . My fervent wish is that if they convinced even one single unsure person to be vaccinated that the Devil has a special place in Hell for them.
I fully agree with that, i never had an issues with those who decided it was right for them to take part in the medical interventions, the bombardment from untrustworthy govts worldwide (there’s that conspiracy nut again ) via a bought and paid for legacy media propaganda onslaught was overwhelming.
For many years before the covid scam i’d given up on the legacy media, maybe if that wasn’t the case who knows if the good lady and i would haved refused to have anything to do with the trend, we ignored it all.
I have serious issues with, will never forgive and forget, those who bullied coerced lied blackmailed and threatened people into going along with having injections, politicians of all brands celebs both current and has been various alleged journalists, some of whom suggested all sorts of punishments should be forced upon those of us who refused to go along, ranging from incarceration to apartheid to forced injections to losing their jobs and refusal of nhs treatment they had been paying for all of their working lives, they even got Queenie on board…ironically that broadcast woke my lovely daughter up, she was previously uninterested but being told how selfish she was by HM the Queen unleashed a different young woman entirely and i doubt she was alone in realising a pudding so overegged was garbage.
I only received a bad personal face to face reaction from one person, a bloke i worked with years ago who proudly told me of how he’d had the injections before anyone else being a volunteer, and after asking me about by vax status turned nasty told me in no uncertain terms how i should be forced to take the stuff, he’s another one not around to regret his actions any more.
Most people i know who speak about those times who took the jabs regret doing so.
What will happen when the next installment of operation fear is triggered will be interesting, whether its another pandemic scare or shifting up net zero or the climate doom scam another notch or three one things is sure this isn’t over by any means, will the same tactics work on the majority again or do enough people now realise the state and its owners are not their friend.
In some ways it would have been telling, in Britain espacially, had those who suggested our pets might be carriers of the flu managed to persuade what passes for govt to authorise the culling of our dogs and cats…well all i can say is good luck with that, if you want to see massive increases in the sales of and use of pitchforks and torches, fill your boots.
Some of you may find this an interesting article
Juddian:
Some of you may find this an interesting article
Ok, kinda got the jist of it after admittedly skimming through it and cherry picking (due to it’s long winded theme, clashing with my low attention deficit towards anything I ain’t AVIDLY interested in 
)
But I gave it a fair crack.
The following post is in the same vein, long winded , in a ‘Winseer stylee’, but just go with it.
SO…is he actually saying that the unvaccinated are now or are going to be deliberately marked down as the new underclass? …the modern day leper??
I do not at present see a lot of evidence to back that one up tbh.
He even goes on to make a comparison with the Jews during the holocaust …is that not a bit ott and heavy handed ffs, a bit crass?
(Not to mention disrespectful to the poor ■■■■ s who died horrible deaths during that period. )
Then as soon as he stated he was a ‘believer’ quoting Jesus and making reference to the Bible,.he lost about 45% credibility with me, …but that’s just me and how I think,…■■■■ religion is like ■■■■■■■■■ these days, it is brought into everything with absolutely NO need nor relavance to the point being made.
Anyhoo to address his points with an open mind…
I’ll.grant you that tactics (or threats ) to encourage vaccinations , WERE used as a ‘dangling carrot’ (for whatever yet to be revealed and proven motive or reason )
Whereby it was threatened that you would be virtually living the life of a Trappist Monk if you did not have this ‘new vaccine’ , no social venue anywhere, pub, club, cinema, sports hall, football grounds, would let you in.
No flights, no more holidays, no nothing, apart from work, which even had it’s exceotions…a life of shear ■■■■ purgatory boredom equating to hell,…which seemed to work for ‘them’.
The threat seemed very real at the time, it pains me to admit that I succumbed as PART of the reason for me regrettably taking this jab. which does not cover me in glory on reflection.
However has this segregation and persecution theory materialised?..,.
I look around and see no difference made between the jabbed and the unjabbed.
Iin fact the only evidence of all this crap ever happening are the few idiots I see still wearing a mask.
As he says , it’s as if it all never happened…why and how is that?
To put another pov in the mix, …the pro vaccine group and those who came up with it, could say that THIS is the evidence of it’s.success, but for me personally, the jury is still out on that one.
My own personal take after reading all these theories *some credible and some downright INcredible ) is to not get carried away with a world conspiracy James Bond esque kind of thing, …some sinister precision planned group megalomanic world scheme to achieve…whatever …
In my view it was more likely,.and much more simply, a gross and unprecedented mega over reaction, to the likes of what we have had since time immemorial, ie…another flu type epidemic.
It all just snowballed and got out of hand after seeing the initual type situation seen in the likes of italy, people lying dead on slabs in hospital corridors, which had a huge impact…admittedly on me at the time, with the discussions we personall had at the time…if it actually was a con to achieve a motive…, then full marks, it took even me in.
As for the China thing? (Whatever that was) did it initiate it or just make things worse that were already there?
We probably will never know.
The ‘experts’ just happened to get things grossly wrong in my (uncharacteristic ) humble opinion, and they and everyone else over reacted,…hence the ridiculous preventive measures of the cluster ■■■■ of masks, furlough, curfews and a the rest if the ott bull ■■■■.
Now then …To take it a bit further to put my own lesser impact and less incredible conspiracy theory in the mix …
I do think these tactics were exploited on a type of sideline opportunity grasped by governments.
Some kind of ‘compliance experiment’,maybe?..To just see how far people would go.
And boy!..did they ■■■■ GO with it, to the point of blindly complying to whatever tf they were told, no matter how self demeaning and self derogatory, and many going even further by doing the perpetrators jobs for them by promoting the whole thing, then condemning and actually INFORMING on those who eventually saw through and cut through all the crap.
Those are the ones who should be gassed to keep in with the ‘disrespect the Holocaust’ theme. 
Anyhoo our resident well read Covid expert Franglais will be along soon to rubbish everything I’ve said,.and give us the official line.
Over to you Frangers.
robroy:
Juddian:
Some of you may find this an interesting articleOk, kinda got the jist of it after admittedly skimming through it and cherry picking (due to it’s long winded theme, clashing with my low attention deficit towards anything I ain’t AVIDLY interested in
But I gave it a fair crack.
The following post is in the same vein, long winded , in a ‘Winseer stylee’, but just go with it.SO…is he actually saying that the unvaccinated are now or are going to be deliberately marked down as the new underclass? …the modern day leper??
I do not at present see a lot of evidence to back that one up tbh.
He even goes on to make a comparison with the Jews during the holocaust
(Not to mention disrespectful to the poor [zb] s who died horrible deaths during that period. )Then as soon as he stated he was a ‘believer’ quoting Jesus and making reference to the Bible,.he lost about 45% credibility with me, …but that’s just me and how I think,…[zb] religion is like ■■■■■■■■■ these days, it is brought into everything with absolutely NO need nor relavance to the point being made.
Anyhoo to address his points with an open mind…
I’ll.grant you that tactics (or threats ) to encourage vaccinations , WERE used as a ‘dangling carrot’ (for whatever yet to be revealed and proven motive or reason )
Whereby it was threatened that you would be virtually living the life of a Trappist Monk if you did not have this ‘new vaccine’ , no social venue anywhere, pub, club, cinema, sports hall, football grounds, would let you in.
No flights, no more holidays, no nothing, apart from work, which even had it’s exceotions…a life of shear [zb] purgatory boredom equating to hell,…which seemed to work for ‘them’.The threat seemed very real at the time, it pains me to admit that I succumbed as PART of the reason for me regrettably taking this jab.
However has this segregation and persecution theory materialised?..,.
I look around and see no difference made between the jabbed and the unjabbed.
Iin fact the only evidence of all this crap ever happening are the few idiots I see still wearing a mask.
As he says , it’s as if it all never happened…why and how is that?To put another pov in the mix, …the pro vaccine group and those who came up with it, could say that THIS is the evidence of it’s.success, but for me personally, the jury is still out on that one.
My own personal take after reading all these theories *some credible and some downright INcredible
In my view it was more likely,.and much more simply, a gross and unprecedented mega over reaction, to the likes of what we have had since time immemorial, ie…another flu type epidemic.
It all just snowballed and got out of hand after seeing the initual type situation seen in the likes of italy, people lying dead on slabs in hospital corridors, which had a huge impact…admittedly on me at the time, with the discussions we personall had at the time…if it actually was a con to achieve a motive…, then full marks, it took even me in.
As for the China thing? (Whatever that was) did it initiate it or just make things worse that were already there?
We probably will never know.The ‘experts’ just happened to get things grossly wrong in my (uncharacteristic
Now then
I do think these tactics were exploited on a type of sideline opportunity grasped by governments.
Some kind of ‘compliance experiment’,maybe?..To just see how far people would go.
And boy!..did they [zb] GO with it, to the point of blindly complying to whatever tf they were told, no matter how self demeaning and self derogatory, and many going even further by doing the perpetrators jobs for them by promoting the whole thing, then condemning and actually INFORMINGThose are the ones who should be gassed to keep in with the ‘disrespect the Holocaust’ theme.
Anyhoo our resident well read Covid expert Franglais will be along soon to rubbish everything I’ve said,.and give us the official line.
Over to you Frangers.
Yep.
A lot to be said there RR.
Bit I`ll try to keep it short.
Firstly I note, it is published on “Info Wars”. A site owned by the despicable liar and criminal Alex Jones. The one who told so many lies about the Sandy Hook massacre, and caused distress to those whose kids were shot dead.
But, I have read the piece.
The piece itself is rhetoric and devoid of any hard content. No facts, no figures just emotion.
If it was about flowers or love, it would be poetry. It isnt. Its not.
robroy:
Ok, kinda got the jist of it
Exactly. That is all youre meant to do! It doesnt stand looking at too closely. Any gaps in the narrative you fill in yourself. Like a good novel you suspend belief to join in with the good feeling of the group.
Difficult to disprove anything said there, because nothing of substance is being said.
It is in that sense quasi religious. You need faith. You need to be one of the chosen small sect who know the truth.
Sometimes examples are given of (highly emotive) stories.
Remember the plural of “anecdote” is not “data”!
Lots of things that happen in this world are without rhyme and reason.
AKA stuff happens (darn auto censor, you know how that should go)
Sites like this explain everything that happens in life, which no realistic source can. They provide certainty in a random world.
And make truly nasty people like Jones shed loads of money in the process.
Juddian:
In some ways it would have been telling, in Britain espacially, had those who suggested our pets might be carriers of the flu managed to persuade what passes for govt to authorise the culling of our dogs and cats…well all i can say is good luck with that, if you want to see massive increases in the sales of and use of pitchforks and torches, fill your boots.
Ironically ‘if’ it was really a supposed ‘zoonotic’ virus jumping species at will that would have been a logical move or at least vaccination of all domestic animals.Oh wait it’s not a vaccine.
As opposed to a chimaera deliberately targetted at humans using gain of function technology, as a pretext for the gene therapy depopulation shots, because the slaves were getting too much of a taste for the good life.
Add that to the climate scam as the pretext to keep down those who survive it or are intended to survive it.
It’s a win win for the elites who are running the zb show.
Call me impressed Robroy, you read it and digested it.
Obviously its not necessarily discussing the UK 3 years of utter ■■■■■■■■ alone, what we saw in other western countries beggared belief, Australia (Victoria especially) forever changed my opinion about Oz, talk about take trhings to the extreme, camps rubber bullets beatings, if ever there was a lesson beware of whom you select as your leader there was the example to end them all…and forgove my ignorance hasn’t Victoria since re-elected the same people? definition of lunacy being doing the same thing repeatedly whilst expecting a different result.
In comparison to some other once free western democracies we in the UK had it fairly easy as it happens and no doubt to the disappointment of various wnnabe totalitarians in govt and media etc, huge pressure was put on people to comply, our institutions didn’t come out of it as heros but overall our police with the usual exceptions didn’t take things too far.
MET typically rough with freedom protesters whilst kneeling to BLM and assisting preferred protest groups, Derbyshire had drones filming people who dared roam in the Dales miles from another living soul and of course the odd bully copper taking advantage of the situation.
Usual wannabe tough politicians tried to force many into taking the muck against their will, eventually having to backtrack for the NHS when too many refused to comply, national disgrace that care workers lost their jobs for refusing and all who did lose their jobs for refusing should be compensated by those who came up with such measures…not the taxpayer.
Speaking personally the old bill never bothered me, mulitiple times i’d be the only one without a mask in the shops and not once did the bill question me the few times i saw a copper…got followed by police through the town a few times in the early hours en route to work (my sector never stopped, staple food ingredients can’t stop) probably long enough to check my car reg details and maybe our jobs come up on their database plus HGV comes up on the licence and they make the choice whether to stop and question or not, they never did.
Was asked maybe three times in all by shop security about a mask, always polite reply from me cos the lads are only doing their job, explained exempt and they were always OK after that, it was only the young lad at Stafford North services questioned whether i had an exemption certificate or similar to prove, again i was polite whilst explaining such a thing was not needed.
Some barely literate bod shouted something at me across a MSA car park once, subtitles un available so no clue what he was gobbing off about.
Was weird seeing people nearly leap into thorn bushes to avoid us when out walking the dogs in the country, some wrapped up like they were in a Chernobyl situation, but it wasn’t funny at all it was saddening that operation fear had gripped them so badly that they’d lost all common sense and proportion.
This has been something extraordinary, yes most western countries (not Sweden but don’t mention that for goodness sake) followed more or less the same path at the same time, this calls into question the quality of leadership in each country, sheep like following each other down the same path or trying to outdo each other, calls from opposition benches for more and harder measures, it was like a worldwide epidemic of headless chickens allegedly in power running around aimlessly, few if any of them having the gumption to look at real not adjusted to suit the narrative facts.
There can be no going back and just forgetting what happened, there has to be an inquiry and reckoning for all of those in responsible positions or otherwise the same thing will happen again with the same people making the same decisions at cost to millions of innocent people and at massive cost to already bankrupt economies.
Only it won’t be the same with the next scare, because its going to be handed over to the WHO, this should have people more concerned.
Juddian:
Call me impressed Robroy, you read it and digested it.Obviously its not necessarily discussing the UK 3 years of utter ■■■■■■■■ alone, what we saw in other western countries beggared belief, Australia (Victoria especially) forever changed my opinion about Oz, talk about take trhings to the extreme, camps rubber bullets beatings, if ever there was a lesson beware of whom you select as your leader there was the example to end them all…and forgove my ignorance hasn’t Victoria since re-elected the same people? definition of lunacy being doing the same thing repeatedly whilst expecting a different result.
In comparison to some other once free western democracies we in the UK had it fairly easy as it happens and no doubt to the disappointment of various wnnabe totalitarians in govt and media etc, huge pressure was put on people to comply, our institutions didn’t come out of it as heros but overall our police with the usual exceptions didn’t take things too far.
MET typically rough with freedom protesters whilst kneeling to BLM and assisting preferred protest groups, Derbyshire had drones filming people who dared roam in the Dales miles from another living soul and of course the odd bully copper taking advantage of the situation.Usual wannabe tough politicians tried to force many into taking the muck against their will, eventually having to backtrack for the NHS when too many refused to comply, national disgrace that care workers lost their jobs for refusing and all who did lose their jobs for refusing should be compensated by those who came up with such measures…not the taxpayer.
Speaking personally the old bill never bothered me, mulitiple times i’d be the only one without a mask in the shops and not once did the bill question me the few times i saw a copper…got followed by police through the town a few times in the early hours en route to work (my sector never stopped, staple food ingredients can’t stop) probably long enough to check my car reg details and maybe our jobs come up on their database plus HGV comes up on the licence and they make the choice whether to stop and question or not, they never did.
Was asked maybe three times in all by shop security about a mask, always polite reply from me cos the lads are only doing their job, explained exempt and they were always OK after that, it was only the young lad at Stafford North services questioned whether i had an exemption certificate or similar to prove, again i was polite whilst explaining such a thing was not needed.
Some barely literate bod shouted something at me across a MSA car park once, subtitles un available so no clue what he was gobbing off about.Was weird seeing people nearly leap into thorn bushes to avoid us when out walking the dogs in the country, some wrapped up like they were in a Chernobyl situation, but it wasn’t funny at all it was saddening that operation fear had gripped them so badly that they’d lost all common sense and proportion.
This has been something extraordinary, yes most western countries (not Sweden but don’t mention that for goodness sake) followed more or less the same path at the same time, this calls into question the quality of leadership in each country, sheep like following each other down the same path or trying to outdo each other, calls from opposition benches for more and harder measures, it was like a worldwide epidemic of headless chickens allegedly in power running around aimlessly, few if any of them having the gumption to look at real not adjusted to suit the narrative facts.
There can be no going back and just forgetting what happened, there has to be an inquiry and reckoning for all of those in responsible positions or otherwise the same thing will happen again with the same people making the same decisions at cost to millions of innocent people and at massive cost to already bankrupt economies.
Only it won’t be the same with the next scare, because its going to be handed over to the WHO, this should have people more concerned.
Not mention Sweden? Why not?
It had a less strict lockdown rules than the UK and a better out come.
But many people were responsible without the need to be ordered how to behave responsibly and look out for others. And anyway thats comparing oranges and apples. Being a much more rural country there would never be the same the rates to be expected as in an urbanised country such as the UK. Obviously country folk dont mix as much as much as city folk.
So, how did Sweden compare with the other Nordic countries with stricter lockdowns?
Death rates per million population:
Sweden 235
Finland 162
Denmark 143
Norway 96
Yep, I`ll discuss Sweden with you.
EDit to add figures from Johns Hopkins
coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Also for completeness
Australia 77 death per million
UK 325.
Yep the Aussies voted back in those who put life above profits for the likes of Murdoch, the well know economic migrant and COVID hypocrite.