[zb] me, if that annoyed you, you need to stay off the roads
Carryfast:
ROG:
All perfectly SAFE and nothing illegal doneWe can all make wrong lane decisions but provided any lane changes are done safely then there is no issue
There is no law which states that passing another vehicle can only be done on the right - there are recommendations but no laws
If that was correct then we’d obviously be under the clear US type rule of overtake either side.Not drive on the left overtake on the right.That simple rule of the road being as near to law as it needs to get.
In this case assuming the road markings mean that the road changes from lanes 1,2,and 3 to left hand filter only and lanes 1 and 2 and,until we get a clear change in rule of the road to overtake either side,then the overtaking truck should have waited for the road markings to change ‘then’ use lane 2 to overtake.[/quote
Although we can overtake on both sides over here, there are still signs telling slower drivers to keep right.
If this wasn’t a junction and you had a vehicle dawdling at 45-50mph in the middle lane and you’re not allowed to “undertake” then that vehicle has effectively shutdown the left hand lane.
Can’t see a problem with what that driver did on the video.
davefor:
[zb] me, if that annoyed you, you need to stay off the roads
Where have I said it annoyed me? I was asking a simple question regarding the road markings and the manoeuvre the truck did…
Did you hear a horn, a shout, see any gesticulations? Nope, because I couldn’t give a ■■■■, I just wondered about the split lane and undertaking.
For some reason people seem to think as soon a dashcam video is posted, the poster must be in some sort of ape like rage. I can assure you I’m as calm as a cucumber and was throughout the entire event.
The only reason I posted it, as I’ve tried to make clear several times is to get other professional drivers opinion on using a left hand lane to undertake when the road markings have separated that lane from the main motorway. No rage, no tears no drama, just a simple question.
Hi folks
For my ADI opinion…
Illegal, yes. Would not allow any of my pupils do this.
Cheeky move, yes. Obviously knows the road well.
Successful, yes.
Anyone really upset about the move, no.
Would I do it, probably not.
If Mr Plod saw it, probably a word in the ear and on your way.
He could easily say “sorry 'guv, almost took the wrong turning”.
Drive safe
Paul
neilg14:
Carryfast:
ROG:
All perfectly SAFE and nothing illegal doneWe can all make wrong lane decisions but provided any lane changes are done safely then there is no issue
There is no law which states that passing another vehicle can only be done on the right - there are recommendations but no laws
If that was correct then we’d obviously be under the clear US type rule of overtake either side.Not drive on the left overtake on the right.That simple rule of the road being as near to law as it needs to get.
In this case assuming the road markings mean that the road changes from lanes 1,2,and 3 to left hand filter only and lanes 1 and 2 and,until we get a clear change in rule of the road to overtake either side,then the overtaking truck should have waited for the road markings to change ‘then’ use lane 2 to overtake.
[/quoteAlthough we can overtake on both sides over here, there are still signs telling slower drivers to keep right.
If this wasn’t a junction and you had a vehicle dawdling at 45-50mph in the middle lane and you’re not allowed to “undertake” then that vehicle has effectively shutdown the left hand lane.
Can’t see a problem with what that driver did on the video.
Firstly the idea of lane discipline makes no sense in an environment where there are clear rules which say overtake either side and assuming that rule applies there really isn’t any point in then contradicting it with signs instructing slow vehicles to keep right as clearly shown here.
youtube.com/watch?v=rjaJkSia6M0
However in an environment of a clear rule which says drive on the left overtake on the right it is obvious that assuming that lane 2 is being blocked by a lane hogger yes that effectively means that nothing in lane 1 can overtake it without a) the risk of a sideswipe situation assuming the vehicle foreseeably moves back to lane 1 without noticing an overtaking vehicle in that lane and b) the possible collision resulting from that.In just the same way that anyone running in the outside most lane effectively means that nothing can overtake it without that risk and associated penalties.
That issue increases even more in this type of case where someone has overtaken a vehicle using an exit slip road filter lane in which it is foreseeable that any vehicle in lane 1 might move into the filter lane at least until the solid dividing line has been reached.In which case lane 2 was the correct lane to use for overtaking not the exit slip road filter lane and that would arguably apply even in the case of a clear rule which allows overtaking on either side.Being that a marked filter means what it says a split in the motorway with vehicles foreseeably changing lanes from lane 1 to take the split not a lane which can be used to overtake.
The safe and legal onus is always on the driver changing lanes
sonflowerinwales:
Hi folks
For my ADI opinion…If Mr Plod saw it, probably a word in the ear and on your way.
He could easily say “sorry 'guv, almost took the wrong turning”.
Drive safe
Paul
Until the day when the driver does it and the vehicle being overtaken moves into the exit slip filter lane having not noticed that someone was using it to overtake possibly resulting in a major RTA.
ROG:
The safe and legal onus is always on the driver changing lanes
More like the safe and legal onus is on ‘both’ drivers probably with more blame being attached to anyone overtaking in lane 1 assuming someone foreseeably returns to lane 1 while doing it in an environment which clearly states drive on the left overtake on the right.Let alone in the case of using a motorway split exit slip filter lane to overtake someone in lane 1.
vaguely related - the police never pass on the left, even when sitting behind someone sitting in lane 2 who hasn’t noticed them with their sirens and lights on, stationary traffic is different obviously
I’m assuming there was some massive accident when a police car passed on the left that make them stick to this rule
daffyd:
vaguely related - the police never pass on the left, even when sitting behind someone sitting in lane 2 who hasn’t noticed them with their sirens and lights on, stationary traffic is different obviously
I’m assuming there was some massive accident when a police car passed on the left that make them stick to this rule
The only exceptions to drive on the left overtake on the right on a motorway is when traffic is moving ‘slowly’ in ‘queues’.
yeah, I’m just meaning that even on an emergency the police won’t pass you on the left, they sit with the sirens/lights on until you move over
it didn’t look too bad but I think if the traffic police had seen that it’d be down to luck whether they pulled you for it or not
I can safely say that around here, the traffic cops wouldn’t give a rats about that manoeuvre.
It was cheeky, its bordering on not in keeping with the Highway Code guidelines.
Once in a lane split such as this one, you may pass on the left. You may also pass in lane 3 as it has become a 2 lane motorway, in same vein as when lane 1 is closed for roadworks you may use lane 3 to pass (something several drivers seemed to have a problem with understanding on the M5 northbound this week near Bridgewater…)
Wow. 
Two pages about a non-event.
The CSI should have shut this down within minutes.
The tanker should have just overtaken properly in lane three.
Nolan, for some reason was doing less than 50mph on a motorway… for no apparent reason, on a motorway.
We can’t see into the cab and we can’t be sure that he was preparing some potatoes for tea, but let’s just assume he was preparing some potatoes for tea.
Tanker should have just gone around him, properly.
Case closed.
Contraflow:
Wow.Two pages about a non-event.
The CSI should have shut this down within minutes.
The tanker should have just overtaken properly in lane three.
Nolan, for some reason was doing less than 50mph on a motorway… for no apparent reason, on a motorway.
We can’t see into the cab and we can’t be sure that he was preparing some potatoes for tea, but let’s just assume he was preparing some potatoes for tea.
Tanker should have just gone around him, properly.
I still reckon he would have been making a cabbage sandwich…the spuds would have been in the pot on the dash,
Case closed.
Perfectly acceptable. What is the big deal? nobody had to take evasive action or brake suddenly so let him get on with it. Nick the Nolans driver for practicing to be a supermarket driver and going so bloody slow.
Watch the outside lane after the tanker moves left, a faster moving car overtakes the Nolans lorry, so, rather than pull out in front of a faster moving car and cause hi mto brake, the tanker driver uses a bit of common and does the ■■■■ Nolans driver on the left. Far safer move and well done to him.
Too many drama queens nowadays.
If the camera wagon was taking the slip road that the lines indicate then that is a legal undertake the tanker has used the “undertake” as an overtake/inside lane advantage and changed back to a lane basically to necessitate an overtake manoeuvre, whether the driver made an incorrect lane judgement or whatever he should have held back or continued in that lane at his expense and not the possible expense of other road users.
anisboy:
I can safely say that around here, the traffic cops wouldn’t give a rats about that manoeuvre.It was cheeky, its bordering on not in keeping with the Highway Code guidelines.
Once in a lane split such as this one, you may pass on the left. You may also pass in lane 3 as it has become a 2 lane motorway, in same vein as when lane 1 is closed for roadworks you may use lane 3 to pass (something several drivers seemed to have a problem with understanding on the M5 northbound this week near Bridgewater…)
The relevant part being it is no longer lane 3 it is lane 2 and lane 1 with an exit slip/split filter to the left of lane 1.It seems obvious that lane 2 is the correct lane to use to overtake traffic in lane 1.While it is equally obvious that the filter lane is there to facilitate traffic in exiting the motorway safely.In which case using it to overtake traffic in lane 1 defeats the object of the rule drive on the left overtake on the right in just the same way that using lane 1 to overtake traffic in lane 2 would.
With the added danger that it is even more likely that something will make a lane change from lane 1 into the exit split filter lane while not expecting to be overtaken in that lane.
Which is a foreseeable result so long as we have the rule of drive on the left overtake on the right and probably even if that rule is changed to overtake either side in the case of exit filter lanes being used for overtaking in whatever form.
Assuming that such drivers continue to regard such moves as just ‘bordering on not in keeping with highway code guidelines’.As opposed to ignoring the basic rule of lane discipline then it is just a matter of time until such drivers meet someone who actually makes that fateful left hand lane change while being overtaken on the nearside.In which case trust me the law won’t view any potential fatal accident resulting from that type of collision as being the result of driving ‘just bordering on not being in keeping with highway code guidelines’.
Looked ok to me
The tanker commenced his/her manoeuvre undertake prior to the lane split division road markings, hence - undertake. Evident in video.
The tanker driver read the road ahead for the steep incline and road split that was about to commence .imo.
What the tanker driver didn`t allow for was : someone behind filming the manoeuvre for trucknet csi and a fellow LGV directly in front going much slower prior to split/ incline.
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cheeky yes.
correct no
observation skills - middle of the road.
bothered - no.
impact and unnecessary braking and affecting other vehicles - avoided.
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Case closed .