Away from the cab will be archived a number of times in 45 hrs anyway. By the time one has been behind the bush and had a ■■■ and got back in the cab and filmed it all for the ministry man for instance. Not forgetting to bury the product naturally 
PaulNowak:
Get out and go for a walk for 10 minutes. Then you’ve not spent 45 hours in your cab. End of.
According to ze BAG at least half of ze 45 hour period must be spent goose stepping to loud military music of German origin or it won’t count as an exemption from ze rules. 
Carryfast:
PaulNowak:
Get out and go for a walk for 10 minutes. Then you’ve not spent 45 hours in your cab. End of.According to ze BAG at least half of ze 45 hour period must be spent goose stepping to loud military music of German origin or it won’t count as an exemption from ze rules.
May drivers substitute the music from the Fatherland for music from the Motherland?
Andrejs:
But if Eastern Europian stop working who is will do this job??Where this British
drivers???What will be do British drivers at continent if 99 percent from them not clue to change bulb,fuges,tyres.If use services this job will be very very expense
Its not that many British driver cant do simple maintenance, its that the logistic companies don’t allow it. In the old days we were Hauliers, and working for a Haulier, you are allowed/encouraged to do any rudimentary maintenance that you could manage to get the truck moving 
Andrejs:
But if Eastern Europian stop working who is will do this job??Where this British
drivers???What will be do British drivers at continent if 99 percent from them not clue to change bulb,fuges,tyres.If use services this job will be very very expense
Hi. You know how it all works! First of all most if not all of the large so called transport logistics set ups don’t own a truck. Most are on some type of contract with the trucks manufacturer or similar. This usually means that a dealership of the manufacturer or whatever has to do any repairs or a tyre company has to do the tyres. Most British drivers especially the older ones are quite capable of doing a lot of things for themselves if they really have to. But in this country we have certain rules and guidelines that must or need to be followed otherwise one could end up in bother and/or face the sack or even be prosecuted should anything in any way go wrong in a big way. In the old days one had to be able to do repairs that one could while on the road or one would get the sack. There are still drivers around who are mechanics, I being one myself. There is also a cart load of guys on the dole who would love to be drivers but never get the chance. So we would get by here without the help of our friends abroad. As far as the small owner driver or small company is concerned, if they don’t have breakdown cover when over the water then they really should not be doing what they do unless they can afford any massive bills from time to time.
coopersyardlad:
Andrejs:
But if Eastern Europian stop working who is will do this job??Where this British
drivers???What will be do British drivers at continent if 99 percent from them not clue to change bulb,fuges,tyres.If use services this job will be very very expenseHi. You know how it all works! First of all most if not all of the large so called transport logistics set ups don’t own a truck. Most are on some type of contract with the trucks manufacturer or similar. This usually means that a dealership of the manufacturer or whatever has to do any repairs or a tyre company has to do the tyres. Most British drivers especially the older ones are quite capable of doing a lot of things for themselves if they really have to. But in this country we have certain rules and guidelines that must or need to be followed otherwise one could end up in bother and/or face the sack or even be prosecuted should anything in any way go wrong in a big way. In the old days one had to be able to do repairs that one could while on the road or one would get the sack. There are still drivers around who are mechanics, I being one myself. There is also a cart load of guys on the dole who would love to be drivers but never get the chance. So we would get by here without the help of our friends abroad. As far as the small owner driver or small company is concerned, if they don’t have breakdown cover when over the water then they really should not be doing what they do unless they can afford any massive bills from time to time.
Yes agree.but not to much drivers who work now for big companies will be agree do Euro job more for 2-3 time.Simply in Uk much more easy to driving -no mount ,Uk have good post code sistem.IN France drivers have adress -town name and Rue de… or Chemin de… and no more .In England drivers moaning who post code was wrong for 200 yard.But in France,Germany drivers all the time looking for up to 1 miles.Yes old English guy have good expirience but they now anyway don t have big interes for long journey,prefer local job and not moaning about job condition,bad access .Middle ages moaning much more about anything.
Complete rubbish. Look at the amount of posts on here and various trucking pages on social media and there’s loads of dritish drivers looking for euro work but there’s not enough firms that can make euro work pay to employ them.
Loads of the big german and Dutch firms have flagged trucks out to the old eastern block country’s along with eastern European firms decimating long distance haulage in western Europe.
There’s only one reason this has happened it’s because they can do it so much cheaper nothing to do with there drivers been better
People are willing to, its just that there are people with a freshly printed license who are willing to live in a truck for months on end for next to nothing.
Its our own fault a little, were used to good conditions and maybe a little spoilt.
Johnny foreigner doesnt think twice about running around with no lights, bald tyres, no tacho etc etc. For him thats normal, and if he says no theres 20 more “them” waiting to take his job
Concretejim:
Johnny foreigner doesnt think twice about running around with no lights, bald tyres, no tacho etc etc. For him thats normal, and if he says no theres 20 more “them” waiting to take his job
The way to cure that is more regulation and enforcement in all countries. That could in itself be self funding (use your imagination).
kr79:
Complete rubbish. Look at the amount of posts on here and various trucking pages on social media and there’s loads of dritish drivers looking for euro work but there’s not enough firms that can make euro work pay to employ them.
Loads of the big german and Dutch firms have flagged trucks out to the old eastern block country’s along with eastern European firms decimating long distance haulage in western Europe.
There’s only one reason this has happened it’s because they can do it so much cheaper nothing to do with there drivers been better
Yes, Eastern Europian companies as well want charge more for job, but who give more money.All spedition companies belong to Germany or English.They want some margin …If any from as buy truck that nobody give to you or me what we want but will be pay just what they want.
And one more bad think.Clr Uk companies not easy do this job because must pay per hours.I know to many drivers who every xay lost 1-2 hours special just to icrease income.But form companies it is big big money.
Andrejs this thread seems to have touched a nerve with you. 
So lets dig in a bit more.
UK drivers have managed to find foreign addresses in the past, before Sat Nav and google and I’m sure a new breed can also find them.
If East European drivers are so superior at finding address compared to UK drivers, why have I helped many of them find various places in Norfolk when they’ve got lost and confused despite having Sat Nav and Google?
I know many drivers, who are capable of doing running repairs in their trucks to keep moving, and who do because much of the UK haulage industry is still small hauliers and not large logistics companies.
With vehicle tracking drivers who regularly goes off route because they are “lost” will soon get found out, and also many other companies pay a salary.
The reason the various EU countries are enforcing the 45 hours rest rule (and insisting foreign truck drivers are payed the Countries minimum wage whilst in their Country,) is because East European drivers are being based (dumped) in a country, and the companies employing them are getting away with not paying that Countries minimum wage, because they say they are international drivers on weekly rest.
Give it a few years when the let the turks in the EU the eastern Europeans will be ■■■■■■■■ the turks have done what they have done to western Europe
I’ve spoken to a few eastern European drivers over the years, and the job is a pretty miserable existence for them. Nearly all say how much they miss their homes, their wives and children. It can’t be very nice spending 11+ months of the year living in a truck. I doubt that many of them would complain if they were “forced” to have some quality time at home.
kr79:
Give it a few years when the let the turks in the EU the eastern Europeans will be ■■■■■■■■ the turks have done what they have done to western Europe
This has already happened, poles are always moaning about the bulgarians and romanians. Oh the irony.
The polish drivers where I work do the same about the rumos
kr79:
The polish drivers where I work do the same about the rumos
Yep, had that said to me by one our Poles, nearly spat me coffee out with laughter
seeing as how the flipflops all pal up and park together why don’t they just swap cabs for the weekend…problemo solvedo.
dieseldog999:
seeing as how the flipflops all pal up and park together why don’t they just swap cabs for the weekend…problemo solvedo.
Not really the regulations only state that a Daily or Reduced Rest can be taken in a vehicle, so for the situation we’re talking about,
I assume that has been interpreted as you can’t take a full weekly rest in a vehicle, that is any vehicle.
- Where a driver chooses to do this, daily rest periods and
reduced weekly rest periods away from base may be taken in a
vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities for each
driver and the vehicle is stationary.
Andrejs:
kr79:
Complete rubbish. Look at the amount of posts on here and various trucking pages on social media and there’s loads of dritish drivers looking for euro work but there’s not enough firms that can make euro work pay to employ them.
Loads of the big german and Dutch firms have flagged trucks out to the old eastern block country’s along with eastern European firms decimating long distance haulage in western Europe.
There’s only one reason this has happened it’s because they can do it so much cheaper nothing to do with there drivers been betterYes, Eastern Europian companies as well want charge more for job, but who give more money.All spedition companies belong to Germany or English.They want some margin …If any from as buy truck that nobody give to you or me what we want but will be pay just what they want.
British and other Western Haulage companies used to charge much more for each job they did. Then the Eastern European companies (Poland initially) started coming over, saw a land of milk and honey and started doing those same jobs for half the rate. They could cut huge chunks off our rates because their drivers were on a quarter of the wages we were, they were running on cheap fuel with long range fuel tanks, the cost of buying a Polish built truck was much lower, local service charges for the company premises etc etc etc were all much lower.
Now Western Logistics/forwarding companies aren’t stupid. They were still charging their customers much the same rates, but increasing their profit margins enormously by paying Eastern European haulage companies the rates they asked for (roughly half what Western European haulage companies were demanding).
Eastern European haulage companies aren’t stupid either. They cottoned on to what the brokers were doing, so went direct to the goods origin and got better rates for the work, but still much less than Western Companies needed. Hundreds of small to medium companies have disappeared, some big ones as well.
That’s the way capitalism works.
We drivers don’t like it but we’re the bottom of the heap, what we do or don’t like has no bearing on what industry wants and gets, which is cheap haulage.
Now you’re saying Eastern European companies want to charge more per job? Good luck with that!
Now that the flood gates have been opened you can expect the same sympathy us Westerners got when Eastern Europeans began butchering the rates we’d worked for decades to improve.
I started on European work only recently, 16 years ago. We were just starting to get sat navs back then. They were very expensive, unreliable as machines plus their mapping and routeing was very poor.
Before those we’d ask work mates, other company drivers, Dutch drivers (they went everywhere and generally speak good English)) or get yourself as close as you could, then ask a local for directions. Did mistakes happen? Of course they did. They happen in every country with national only drivers (there are several towns called Saint Ives in England, for example), naturally they happened in international driving, try finding Santa Maria in Italy They still happen with sat navs that work pretty well.
Long before I was doing commercial European work there were British and W. European drivers going down to Saudi Arabia with oil industry supplies. Look up the books like Cola Cowboys or the film Destination Doha. Those guys were navigating with a school boys World Atlas and word of mouth, once out of Western Europe. The job still got done.
I drove for a company called Murfitts when I started, we were told “ask another Murfitts driver, if you can’t find one to ask, ask a Dutchman”.
I later discovered that Dutch drivers were told the opposite. “Ask a Dutchman, if you can’t find a Dutchman ask a Murfitts”.
In the resto after a good meal and vino, chatting away as you do, well used to when we could afford the resto, I was told how the Dutch drivers had a good reputation about being the first to many places, but they would often pull up to find a Murfitts driver already there and unloaded/loaded, with his deck chair out and proffering a chilled beer
More probably this occurred in equal measure throughout Western European haulage, first man in got the beers in/kettle on (to suit the circumstances) ready for the next man in.