You dont need 30 mins breaK for WTD after 6 hrs. You need 15 mins before it and another 15 before 9 hrs
Trouble:
Berty:
Yes but it depends on how long you have been on duty (hammers) in your example 1.5 hours driving so as long as you haven’t had 4.5 duty time then yes that would be fine. Only on duty time and driving time count towards your six hour poa doesn’t…Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk
Got it, that`s another part of the equation pegged, cheers for your patience
Ha ha no problem… it is an headache at times… if I was you I’d get yourself a notepad and write a few of the rules down and go over them now again and it will stick after a while
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Coolrider:
You dont need 30 mins breaK for WTD after 6 hrs. You need 15 mins before it and another 15 before 9 hrs
I’m sure it’s 30 mins before six hours?
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Berty:
Trouble:
Got it, that`s another part of the equation pegged, cheers for your patienceHa ha no problem… it is an headache at times… if I was you I’d get yourself a notepad and write a few of the rules down and go over them now again and it will stick after a while
I`ll give that a go, I suppose the more I do it, the more little bits of info will stay with me as well.
I swear to god this is how I see the Driving rules and regs 
Coolrider:
You dont need 30 mins breaK for WTD after 6 hrs. You need 15 mins before it, and another 15 if working between 6 & 9 hours.
FTFY! 
Berty:
Coolrider:
You dont need 30 mins breaK for WTD after 6 hrs. You need 15 mins before it and another 15 before 9 hrsI’m sure it’s 30 mins before six hours?
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I can assure you it isn’t .
Coolrider:
Berty:
Coolrider:
You dont need 30 mins breaK for WTD after 6 hrs. You need 15 mins before it and another 15 before 9 hrsI’m sure it’s 30 mins before six hours?
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I can assure you it isn’t .
In this first example the driver has spent 2 hours driving followed by 4 hours of working in the warehouse. At this point because they have reached the 6 hour threshold they must take a 30 minute break before they work another minute. They are then able to work for another 3 hours before they reach the 9 hour threshold and need to take a 15 minute break before continuing to work. They could also have taken the second 15 minute break on the end of the previous break and then worked straight through.
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WTD is not part of your job, not in this business and anyone who says it is don’t have a clue about the job.
So forget that and just go on your driving hours and it will be very easy, they seem to think everyone is a maths genius here so when someone like yourself asks a question like you did they think its easy to answer but all they do is make it worse, driving hours is all that matters if truck drivers worked to the WTD they would be earning a pittance, Driving hours and legal rest and you wont go wrong.
Its that simple.
Berty:
Coolrider:
Berty:
Coolrider:
You dont need 30 mins breaK for WTD after 6 hrs. You need 15 mins before it and another 15 before 9 hrsI’m sure it’s 30 mins before six hours?
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I can assure you it isn’t .
In this first example the driver has spent 2 hours driving followed by 4 hours of working in the warehouse. At this point because they have reached the 6 hour threshold they must take a 30 minute break before they work another minute. They are then able to work for another 3 hours before they reach the 9 hour threshold and need to take a 15 minute break before continuing to work. They could also have taken the second 15 minute break on the end of the previous break and then worked straight through.
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No wrong.
For WTD the law says if you work between 6 -9 hrs you must take a 30 minute break.
However it also says you can’t go over 6 without a break. Breaks can be taken in 15 minute blocks.
Therefor before 6 hrs it must be a 15 min break. After 6 you would need another 15 to be within the law.
You don’t now or never have had to have 30 mins before 6 hrs.
It’s also worth pointing out your advise about POA fails to mention that you must know about the time your expected to wait in advance. You shouldn’t just stick it on POA whenever you want. The delay should be known about in advance.
Perhaps it’s not just the op who’s confused about the rules!
Evil8Beezle:
Muckles did a crib sheet that I thought was good covering all the basics, maybe he’s feeling in a good mood and will post the link again!You’ll get there mate!
Its still available, just send us a pm with an email address and I’ll send you a copy, although it might take a few days sometimes.
nightline:
WTD is not part of your job, not in this business and anyone who says it is don’t have a clue about the job.
So forget that and just go on your driving hours and it will be very easy, they seem to think everyone is a maths genius here so when someone like yourself asks a question like you did they think its easy to answer but all they do is make it worse, driving hours is all that matters if truck drivers worked to the WTD they would be earning a pittance, Driving hours and legal rest and you wont go wrong.
Its that simple.
Great way to rack up infringments.
The driving rules themselves are pretty simple and straight-forward. It’s the choice to implement or enforce them or not - that makes things complicated. If the Law automatically confiscated all assets of companies and more importantly - it’s directors when systemically running bent - then we’d soon have 100% compliance at all times. Because that is NOT the case though - the haulage industry has different permutations of the rules almost to the same number of actual different firms out there! 
There are a lot of other “driving laws” that if 100% enforced - would make life a lot EASIER for us British drivers too… Like removing foreign trucks parked up for the night under motorway bridges for instance.
So you’re all saying I couldn’t do this any more:
Stop for food/shower, back to truck and pull fuse. Drive to morning drop/preferred overnight stop or whatever. Sleep then do 1st drop and back to maintained drag stopping to reset clock and insert fuse.
Of course you can’t refuel in this period as that leaves a trail. Also learn revs at 56 as no speedo.
Hey presto, plenty break work done and a chance of Friday home!
Well I guess that’s how it once was [emoji6]
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I’m guessing the OP is quite possibly more confused now then when they started the thread.
just sayin’ like
It’s ok, the gospel according to Carryfast will be along soon 
TerryDactyl.:
alamcculloch:
I thought that you were on about ■■■.The rules are more complex than they need to be.Far from it, they’re remarkably similar. 45 minute rest after 4 and half minutes. Maximum 9 minutes in any 24 hour period, can be extended twice a week to 10 minutes if there’s any foreplay.
yourhavingalarf:
I’m guessing the OP is quite possibly more confused now then when they started the thread.just sayin’ like
You`d be right
Thanks to the lads whove pmd me … you`re legends
m_attt:
nightline:
WTD is not part of your job, not in this business and anyone who says it is don’t have a clue about the job.
So forget that and just go on your driving hours and it will be very easy, they seem to think everyone is a maths genius here so when someone like yourself asks a question like you did they think its easy to answer but all they do is make it worse, driving hours is all that matters if truck drivers worked to the WTD they would be earning a pittance, Driving hours and legal rest and you wont go wrong.
Its that simple.Great way to rack up infringments.
Only if you work some where that class them as infringments.
switchlogic:
I don’t think it’s that complicated personally. Could be simpler granted but the basics are easy to learn
I’d of thought the basics where easy to grasp too. This recent thread told me they aint!!!
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=140174
Thats not a pop at the OP of that thread, nor you nor me…i had to go google it to check. I wasn’t certain. I’m sure i wasn’t alone even from experienced drivers, there wasn’t much conviction there was there ? I gathered a …wait for Tachograph to come along and confirm… was as solid a conviction as we where gonna get !!! 
Such a simple basic question too.
It’s posts like this that fill me with a warm, cosy feeling. I will not be unemployed any time soon. It is ‘drivers’ like this, that allow me to walk into any job, without bending over and passing the lube back…
Happy days…