Loading up at a new customer today, small backstreet place. Forklift driver tells me he has been thinking of driving trucks for years & asks “how many hours a week to do you work?”. I said, if that’s your first question then don’t bother…industry average is 50-55. His jaw dropped, saying “I do about 35”. He then asked, “How much do you get paid for driving those, I’m guessing over £20ph for something that big”. I laughed, said the industry average is about a tenner mate. His jaw dropped again…”Don’t think I’ll bother then, sounds like a mugs game”.
And there is the ‘driver shortage’ summed up in a nutshell!
rob22888:
And there is the ‘driver shortage’ summed up in a nutshell!
Very Succinctly put amigo.
Pity the haulage bosses live in cloud cuckoo land because when they lobby the government to train truck drivers they never mention the bloody obvious problem.
Wait till Brexit and the EE’s stop arriving and many just leave…I think there may be a genuine driver shortage just around the corner.
By genuine shortage I mean one that results in decent wages for the hours worked and where you don’t have to put up with ignorant customers like when your are told to wait all day to tip as you are 15 minutes late you can immidiately say
“I’m off…might be passing this way again in the next week or two…or you can collect it yourself at this address…see ya… cos we are waaay too busy for this BS!”
Do.you think ee drivers will leave and there will be a. Shortage after brexit (if it even happens) ?
Personally I don’t think anything will change there still.be here .
I don’t think much will.change when we leave. All these stories about what’s Gona happen are speculation and scare mongering.
Reminds me of the millennium bug.
We’re all.doomed planes will.fall from.the sky computers will crash. Wont be able to tax your car . Etc.
Only thing that will change is ripoff Britain will use brexit as an excuse to put prices up on things
edd1974:
Do.you think ee drivers will leave and there will be a. Shortage after brexit (if it even happens) ?
Personally I don’t think anything will change there still.be here .
I don’t think much will.change when we leave. All these stories about what’s Gona happen are speculation and scare mongering.
Reminds me of the millennium bug.
We’re all.doomed planes will.fall from.the sky computers will crash. Wont be able to tax your car . Etc.
Only thing that will change is ripoff Britain will use brexit as an excuse to put prices up on things
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This^^^^^
And when the public wake up, they will realize we’ve been lied to again by the Muppets in charge.
commonrail:
Working class men don’t get fat on 35 hours a week.
If you want the coin…you gotta hunt it.
When you don’t want the coin,get a job on flt.
This.
On those numbers your forklift driver is getting 350 a week before tax, you’re getting 500-550.
Nobbers keep telling us we can earn more stacking shelves, they forget to mention that’s more per hour, on nights and you’ll struggle to get more than 40 hours a week.
Get away from general haulage and the numbers go up, it’s not a job for everyone but it suits me.
We’ll always be mugs if drivers just keep readily accepting that ridiculous hours alongside a low pay rate is ‘‘Just how the job is’’ and that ‘‘it’s always been that way’’ (it hasn’t btw)
Then they go on to naively (and stupidly) boast about the ‘‘Good money’’ they are on that is calculated on the same flat hourly rate right through, for working what equates to a week and a half’s hours… in real terms.
Until drivers kick off as a group (Or to use an apparent dirty word on here… a union) about the ■■■■ poor t.s and c.s in this job, we will always be just that…mugs.
Until that happens the best way to deal with it otherwise is to make it as good for yourself as you can, and ■■■■ everyone else…sadly.
When I retired at 55 in December 2005 I was on £27665 per annum, £531 per week and £13.61 per hour working office hours Monday - Friday. That’s why I gave up HGV driving full-time in 1978.
edd1974:
Do.you think ee drivers will leave and there will be a. Shortage after brexit (if it even happens) ?
Personally I don’t think anything will change there still.be here .
I don’t think much will.change when we leave. All these stories about what’s Gona happen are speculation and scare mongering.
Reminds me of the millennium bug.
We’re all.doomed planes will.fall from.the sky computers will crash. Wont be able to tax your car . Etc.
Only thing that will change is ripoff Britain will use brexit as an excuse to put prices up on things
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+1
this is the one…
nothing will change,prices will go up,and the only shrtage will be the flipflop shops will run out of pickled cabbage as there will be another influx of taliban with the ink still wet on their licences.
brexit would have been great if they pulled out and put the pants onto the chunnel within 6 months.
now its been dissected and made useless by goverment,itl be meaningless with no advantages,and only disadvantages as by now its worthless for any major change to be felt at working class levels.
edd1974:
Do.you think ee drivers will leave and there will be a. Shortage after brexit (if it even happens) ?
Personally I don’t think anything will change there still.be here .
I don’t think much will.change when we leave. All these stories about what’s Gona happen are speculation and scare mongering.
Reminds me of the millennium bug.
We’re all.doomed planes will.fall from.the sky computers will crash. Wont be able to tax your car . Etc.
Only thing that will change is ripoff Britain will use brexit as an excuse to put prices up on things
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+1
this is the one…
nothing will change,prices will go up,and the only shrtage will be the flipflop shops will run out of pickled cabbage as there will be another influx of taliban with the ink still wet on their licences.
brexit would have been great if they pulled out and put the pants onto the chunnel within 6 months.
now its been dissected and made useless by goverment,itl be meaningless with no advantages,and only disadvantages as by now its worthless for any major change to be felt at working class levels.
Indeed it has been destroyed by the Tory & DUP muppets.
We are going to get a “A cake and eat it” deal they said after the referendum. We will just cherry pick the best parts of all the current agreements and the responsibilities of none. Norway +, Canada ++ and so on.
And now the political rats are blaming everyone else for the their abysmal failure to deliver anything like they promised even if it was fairy tale stuff.
robroy:
We’ll always be mugs if drivers just keep readily accepting that ridiculous hours alongside a low pay rate is ‘‘Just how the job is’’ and that ‘‘it’s always been that way’’ (it hasn’t btw)
Then they go on to naively (and stupidly) boast about the ‘‘Good money’’ they are on that is calculated on the same flat hourly rate right through, for working what equates to a week and a half’s hours… in real terms.
Until drivers kick off as a group (Or to use an apparent dirty word on here… a union) about the ■■■■ poor t.s and c.s in this job, we will always be just that…mugs.
Until that happens the best way to deal with it otherwise is to make it as good for yourself as you can, and [zb] everyone else…sadly.
I agree Rob, when negotiating there is strength in numbers. All the haulage bosses are in unions but the drivers are not, thus a no-contest K.O. In round one.
A good union with good shop stewards is the only way to go at this point
We need to be like the French 1 out all-out. We’re to weak in the uk.
Say The stobarts drivers strike for better terms. All that happen stobbarts will loose contracts to.other company’s . Then drivers will.loose jobs or get transferd over to new company. Where as if stobbarts + others all stood together said no there be option.
Only time I vaugley remeber anything happening was when oil tankers went on strike in 1990s brought oil to a standstill
edd1974:
Do.you think ee drivers will leave and there will be a. Shortage after brexit (if it even happens) ?
Personally I don’t think anything will change there still.be here .
I don’t think much will.change when we leave. All these stories about what’s Gona happen are speculation and scare mongering.
Reminds me of the millennium bug.
We’re all.doomed planes will.fall from.the sky computers will crash. Wont be able to tax your car . Etc.
Only thing that will change is ripoff Britain will use brexit as an excuse to put prices up on things
.
This^^^^^
And when the public wake up, they will realize we’ve been lied to again by the Muppets in charge.
The government has already decided to go back to using the seasonal workers scheme for farm workers and pickers.
So the people of Wisbech and the like who voted out by large margin in the country, because of their towns being taken over by east Europeans, well they’ll be getting Ukrainian, Filipinos, Africans and who knows who to replace them.
They will only be allowed to stay in the country for six months work, then leave, oh of course they will.
What choice is there because they can’t get British people to pick vegetables, or drive trucks for that matter
Nothing will improve whilst drivers are willing to accept a shiny new truck in lieu of a pay rise. The situation with EE drivers is also unlikely to change all the time they can earn more money here than back home.
The rot set in many years ago and it is not going to disappear in the foreseeable future, even unions will not solve it because there is very little unity amongst drivers. It’s all about themselves and that’s it.
I still can’t get my head round working people voting for something that was championed by Boris, Reece Mogg and all those other toffs… The General secretaries of Unison, GMB and Unite warned against it and still people voted for it.
I do not want a second referendum, I am only saying…
What choice is there because they can’t get British people to pick vegetables, or drive trucks for that matter
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Perhaps the reason is because the east Europeans are willing to work for gangmasters and accept their terms.
They will live in accomodation and travel to their place of work using facilities provided by the gangmaster, who will make a deduction from their wages to cover these items. As they own the properties and the vehicles the gangmaster makes a good profit out of this arrangment and the worker gets some money to spend as well.
The British worker would want all the money less tax and NI and this does not suit the gangmasters that’s why the don’t want to employ British workers.
how about the concept of…if these people were not in the country,there would be jobs available for the indigenous population and the emloyers would have to at least pay minimum wage with all the usual regulations,hence helping to remove unemployment.
the cost of products would not go up,the only loss would be to the middle men who would have no imports to utilize.
if there were jobs available at at least minimum wage,then the dole hoppers would be made to take them or lose their giros.
the employers for the food pickers ect would need to have some sort of dangling carrot to entice employees to start working and stay working…win win for the indigenous uk population.
waddy640:
The point is that this practice has gone on for years and no one has any incentive to change it and until we secure our borders it will continue.
“Secure out borders”!
See what Michael Gove says about that. Gove is of course a keen Brexiteer, and currently at DEFRA.
He has said to farmers in Feb this year that the lack of Romanian and Polish field workers should not be a worry to them. Just import (even cheaper) labour from further away, such as the Ukraine!
This is the “competitive, free market, global economy” world HE is looking forward to.
