Please Send all Vintage Cheddar over here to Dortmund
I would love some thanks, 
Am I glad Imāe out of it,I drove over 40 years without any incidents regarding an unsafe load. There are times when it is neccessary to use straps but more often than not you use your loaf.
Theres no such thing as a bad load, If it looks unsafe before it goes on you dont put it on.If it moves whilst in transit, thats bad driving.
Here endeth the lesson.
dambuster:
I think if it were ever to be pushed to final nth degree, the legislators may just simply give up, get lazy(er) and try to introduce and enforce the ridiculous idea of a blanket law saying āAll loads must be securedā
Whats the law at the minute, i forget?
brit pete:
As people are pointing out that they take loads which are never or very rarely secured, as they believe there is no way to secure such loads,
I didnāt say I believed there was no way to secure parcels, I said it was a bit difficult to strap around 1200 loose loaded parcels. These loads are floor to ceiling, side to side and front to back in box trailers, there is nowhere for them to move to. Oh and that is how they are loaded in Germany from a Deutsche Post depot, a depot where hundreds of vehicles leave every night for destinations all over Germany and other countries and all loaded like that.
And if anyone wants to describe to me how you secure every pallet on a trailer full of empty cans then iām all ears !!
What on the job experience has a VOSA officer got in load security that he can now decide whats secure & whats not? Got no problem with them but canāt see how him being a VOSA officer whose usually tapping wheelnuts or checking tachos can tell an experienced driver what he deems is secure & whats not, I just donāt get it I really donāt.
Fly sheet
fly sheet:
What on the job experience has a VOSA officer got in load security that he can now decide whats secure & whats not? Got no problem with them but canāt see how him being a VOSA officer whose usually tapping wheelnuts or checking tachos can tell an experienced driver what he deems is secure & whats not, I just donāt get it I really donāt.Fly sheet
Good point.
Well put, another example of power without responsibility unfortunately 
Its not just DHL on ther own you will find that the rest of the parcel
firms proberly do the same , So when the GERMANS decide to have a
go they will get the surprise of their lives
Let common sense prevail.you strap what needs strapped.
had a load on a tilt 4 years ago 6 hours to load 18 ratchets and rope.
the load required that attention.
if youre going down the road an your curtains are straining .
youll get pulled.
Mike-C:
And if anyone wants to describe to me how you secure every pallet on a trailer full of empty cans then iām all ears !!
Velcro 
renaultman:
fly sheet:
āā¦ What on the job experience has a VOSA officer got ā¦āāā¦Good point ā¦ another example of power without responsibility unfortunately
VOSA responsibility is surely to safeguard stuff that rolls on the highway, etc, blah.
Perhaps āpower without experienceā is closer to it - which is possibly trained into them?
itās about time they started to sort this out.
they should make a really big thing of it too.
if people canāt secure a load, then they should not be on the road. no excuses.
Mike-C:
And if anyone wants to describe to me how you secure every pallet on a trailer full of empty cans then iām all ears !!
rope.
or
take 2 planks of wood, 6"wide by 3ā long, nail them together into an L-shape, use them across the edges of the top of each pallet, then strap to the wood.
Thereās been talk on here about curtains not being sufficient to secure a load as theyāre not part of the āstructureā and are nothing but āweatherproofingā. So why then do insurance companies void any policy if a trailer is driven with the curtains open because they see the curtains as being a vital part of the āstructureā of the trailer?
I quite agree that when carrying pallets of unstable/eccentric C of G or substantial weight that they should be totally secured before driving onto the public road - the forces involved when taking evasive action either braking hard or swerving can be in excess of 1g, and wouldnāt trust any curtain or bulkhead for that matter to stop 26 tonnes of goods from going astray. I always make sure that my load is safe - to the best of my knowledge of which there is no legally required training - both for me, the loaders and for every other road user - and I will not stand for any employer who tries to push me out the yard and get the job done ASAP if I donāt think that the load if safe. Iāve lost 1 job so far because I will not be walked over, that employer then replaced me with a non-english speaker who was willing to work for less and who didnāt give a stuff about load safety! But yesterday, for example, I had 22 pallets of 10" drain pipes stacked upright and shrinkwrapped. The pallets were so light that the forklift driver was plonking them on and I was shuffling them into position by hand with quite little effort. Thereās no way in hell that this load could breach a well maintained curtain or bulkhead when subjected to strong lateral forces. So why should I receive a fine for not strapping those pallets down?
If the authorities are just going to change tactics to bulk up their income rather than actually enforce in the spirit of the law then a large portion of us here are running on luck which may run out one day - even if our working techniques do pose no realistic threat to anybody.
Another thoughtā¦ I did some night trunk work for a pallet network recently. During that time I saw well in excess of 500 double deck artics go through the hub. Every single one of those drivers could have been fined for not having their pallets strapped. Thereās a massive difference between the ātheoretical way of operatingā and āthe only way of operating in order to get the job doneā.
I accept VOSA people donāt have direct training on the security of loads but what they do have is the straightforward piece of law that says no load can be secured only by itās own weight. They also check the recommendations of maximum load on the labels that should be attached to straps and also - speak to the driver 
although this assumes the driver comes over as a fairly knowledgable person.
The insecure loads normally found to be an issue are so blindingly obvious that the driver could, would and indeed should have noticed it for himself. You will have seen the sort I meanā¦
Re āIf the authorities are just going to change tactics to bulk up their income rather than actually enforce in the spirit of the lawā as noted by previous chap, you should take note that VOSA do not get any of the money from fixed penalties, not a farthing. It all goes into the same large pot that your taxes and goodness knows what else go into to be distributed to the poor or whatever the government choose. If they were getting it they would hardly be making a few coach loads of staff voluntarily redundant due to lack of cash would they?!
i wouldnt be suprised if all this strapping carry on doesnt stem from the vosa bods on here viewing that picture of that driver[clown] loosing a trailer full of trolleys out the back door on the m25 
,posted up a while ago
brit pete:
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look here what they are doing in the clip below
HERE [/b]
I suppose that is some kind off driver training coarse, but to me that load was insecure what is to stop side ways movement, a strap going over the middle one side to the other and that would be a tidy job 
At the end of the day its your licence your concience, if you can live with the outcome when it all goes so horribly wrong fair comment.
Alot of places where iāve been going recently, such as corus scunny st regis kemsley, and many otherās wont load you or let you go without securing the load properly. why should i worry paid by the hour and its part of the job, make a good job it and put the kettle on when youāve done.
Though that does seem to answer why the german trailers we get are like a spiders web some times. but iām back on boxes again the last 2 weeks so no strapping up for me 
Mike-C:
And if anyone wants to describe to me how you secure every pallet on a trailer full of empty cans then iām all ears !!
The same as empty plastic bottles, if your trailer has load restraining straps mounted on a rail from the roof, better a side rail about foot in from the side than the center mounted ones. assumimg a 52 pallet load, as each pair is loaded or at the end , (which why side mounted ones are better), line up a strap with the center of the pallets facing you and secure the side of the bed, then at the back cross the last 2 straps to stop load from moving backwards. the cans that iāve done have allways been secured to the pallet by means of a board the same size as the pallet underneath being laid accross the top, and then banded down to the pallett, thus sandwiching the cans between. The load restrianing straps our certified to certain weights, but empty cans are not going to breach that. That would satify VOSA load is secured. if your trailers arent equipped with roof mounted straps, then i suggect that they are not suitable for that load.
eddie snax:
brit pete:
[or this one below
look here what they are doing in the clip below
HERE [/b]I suppose that is some kind off driver training coarse, but to me that load was insecure
At the end of the day its your licence your concience, if you can live with the outcome when it all goes so horribly wrong fair comment.
Alot of places where iāve been going recently, such as corus scunny st regis kemsley, and many otherās wont load you or let you go without securing the load properly. why should i worry paid by the hour and its part of the job, make a good job it and put the kettle on when youāve done.
Though that does seem to answer why the german trailers we get are like a spiders web some times. but iām back on boxes again the last 2 weeks so no strapping up for me
It must be a training course, nowhere else would they let so many people into a factory or warehouse wearing trainers. And if it was Tata / Corus you would not be allowed to go onto the trailer, even to strap up coils
Wheel Nut:
[It must be a training course, nowhere else would they let so many people into a factory or warehouse wearing trainers. And if it was Tata / Corus you would not be allowed to go onto the trailer, even to strap up coils
Get this one. last time at corus llanelli, I was in one the finger bays (where the loading floor is at the same height as the bed), and as I was strapping up the loading supervisor was there, having a natter like as i was strapping up, and keeping his eye on ā ā ā ā ā in front at the same time. I was on the bed of the trailer with hard hat including chin strap firmily on my head, anyway i stepped out the trailer cos i was cutting a sweat and to natter a bit and removed my hat to wipe me brow, then plonked it straight back on my head, but i didnt replace my chin strap, as i stepped back on the trailer he says āchinstrap driveā, then he says āstep off the trailerā which i did expecting to be moaned at and he said āyou cantake your chin strap of nowā. āthen step on trailer replace chin strapā, remember its all at the same height. even the supervisor had a chuckle about it, but rules is rules. well made me chuckle