then rope or strap it, i use them for retail sugar and flour and you can strap em very very tight with no damage to the product.
too many pretenders going around these days calling themselves truck drivers just cos they have the licence, hop in select D and drive on up the road with neck fixed firmly in place staring straight ahead. if these guys havent got the aptitude to realise their load needs to be secure or the motivation to be bothered to do it, then they probably havent got the natural intincts and reactions required to be a truck driver, just my opinion.
ask any of the old timers and im sure they would agree with me (obviously not the lazy ones)
The training is being done in a class room not a factory these people are probably doing either a load restraint course or doing the German berufskraftfahrer course ,
then rope or strap it, i use them for retail sugar and flour and you can strap em very very tight with no damage to the product.
too many pretenders going around these days calling themselves truck drivers just cos they have the licence, hop in select D and drive on up the road with neck fixed firmly in place staring straight ahead. if these guys havent got the aptitude to realise their load needs to be secure or the motivation to be bothered to do it, then they probably havent got the natural intincts and reactions required to be a truck driver, just my opinion.
ask any of the old timers and im sure they would agree with me (obviously not the lazy ones)
You are right of course, but so is the OP. If I have a load of road salt in my tipper, I can hit a roundabout at warp factor 6, passing a few old guys in their Metros and be away.
If I had 9 course of Hay on though, for example, I would approach the roundabout gingerly, and go round at the same speed as the owld guy in his Metro. I wouldn’t take the load out, if I didn’t think it was safe but some loads just demand more respect than others.
Oh and to holding soft loads, I’ve seen the corner and the side strips over here, and here’s just another idea. Chuck a load of empty pallets on the top of the load and strap the pallets.
I also agree about the modern driver, not all of them mind. It’s getting to the stage, where a driver means exactly that. When I started, a driver needed to be a driver, fitter, fork lift/shovel driver. A weightlifter (chucking them sheets about) or a diplomat (persuading the forkie to lift your sheets up) an acrobat (balancing on top of the load to put the sheets on) and a puzzles expert, working out where toput what, and how to sheet it.
I’m not saying I didn’t have my disasters mind
Mike-C:
And if anyone wants to describe to me how you secure every pallet on a trailer full of empty cans then i’m all ears !!
The same as empty plastic bottles, if your trailer has load restraining straps mounted on a rail from the roof, better a side rail about foot in from the side than the center mounted ones. assumimg a 52 pallet load, as each pair is loaded or at the end , (which why side mounted ones are better), line up a strap with the center of the pallets facing you and secure the side of the bed, then at the back cross the last 2 straps to stop load from moving backwards. the cans that i’ve done have allways been secured to the pallet by means of a board the same size as the pallet underneath being laid accross the top, and then banded down to the pallett, thus sandwiching the cans between. The load restrianing straps our certified to certain weights, but empty cans are not going to breach that. That would satify VOSA load is secured. if your trailers arent equipped with roof mounted straps, then i suggect that they are not suitable for that load.
I’d better make it clear that i mean aluminium drinks cans. You can’t strap over the pallet as any interference with the banding pressure will result in all the cans popping out. You can’t really drop down the side of each pallet either as they load them on in pairs.
then rope or strap it, i use them for retail sugar and flour and you can strap em very very tight with no damage to the product.
too many pretenders going around these days calling themselves truck drivers just cos they have the licence, hop in select D and drive on up the road with neck fixed firmly in place staring straight ahead. if these guys havent got the aptitude to realise their load needs to be secure or the motivation to be bothered to do it, then they probably havent got the natural intincts and reactions required to be a truck driver, just my opinion.
ask any of the old timers and im sure they would agree with me (obviously not the lazy ones)
They’re no good for cans and neither is Phils two short planks idea !!!
then rope or strap it, i use them for retail sugar and flour and you can strap em very very tight with no damage to the product.
too many pretenders going around these days calling themselves truck drivers just cos they have the licence, hop in select D and drive on up the road with neck fixed firmly in place staring straight ahead. if these guys havent got the aptitude to realise their load needs to be secure or the motivation to be bothered to do it, then they probably havent got the natural intincts and reactions required to be a truck driver, just my opinion.
ask any of the old timers and im sure they would agree with me (obviously not the lazy ones)
They’re no good for cans and neither is Phils two short planks idea !!!
either load them in a box van or use corner boards, it worked fine for me when I loaded empty coke cans from Wrexham to Greece. It worked 3 or 4 times in a tilt
beattun:
too many pretenders going around these days calling themselves truck drivers just cos they have the licence, hop in select D and drive on up the road with neck fixed firmly in place staring straight ahead. if these guys havent got the aptitude to realise their load needs to be secure or the motivation to be bothered to do it, then they probably havent got the natural intincts and reactions required to be a truck driver, just my opinion.
ask any of the old timers and im sure they would agree with me (obviously not the lazy ones)
With you again beattun. We used to bring double pallet loads of empty coffee cans down to nestle at Hayes (middlesex), never a problem, except for one freezing cold morning where I had a job getting the sheets off, cos they were frozen to the shape of the load.
then rope or strap it, i use them for retail sugar and flour and you can strap em very very tight with no damage to the product.
too many pretenders going around these days calling themselves truck drivers just cos they have the licence, hop in select D and drive on up the road with neck fixed firmly in place staring straight ahead. if these guys havent got the aptitude to realise their load needs to be secure or the motivation to be bothered to do it, then they probably havent got the natural intincts and reactions required to be a truck driver, just my opinion.
ask any of the old timers and im sure they would agree with me (obviously not the lazy ones)
You are right of course, but so is the OP. If I have a load of road salt in my tipper, I can hit a roundabout at warp factor 6, passing a few old guys in their Metros and be away.
If I had 9 course of Hay on though, for example, I would approach the roundabout gingerly, and go round at the same speed as the owld guy in his Metro. I wouldn’t take the load out, if I didn’t think it was safe but some loads just demand more respect than others.
Oh and to holding soft loads, I’ve seen the corner and the side strips over here, and here’s just another idea. Chuck a load of empty pallets on the top of the load and strap the pallets.
I also agree about the modern driver, not all of them mind. It’s getting to the stage, where a driver means exactly that. When I started, a driver needed to be a driver, fitter, fork lift/shovel driver. A weightlifter (chucking them sheets about) or a diplomat (persuading the forkie to lift your sheets up) an acrobat (balancing on top of the load to put the sheets on) and a puzzles expert, working out where toput what, and how to sheet it.
I’m not saying I didn’t have my disasters mind
Yeah, and wot about getting down without killing yerself when you’d got the sheets on, specially when it was ■■■■■■■ down.
then rope or strap it, i use them for retail sugar and flour and you can strap em very very tight with no damage to the product.
too many pretenders going around these days calling themselves truck drivers just cos they have the licence, hop in select D and drive on up the road with neck fixed firmly in place staring straight ahead. if these guys havent got the aptitude to realise their load needs to be secure or the motivation to be bothered to do it, then they probably havent got the natural intincts and reactions required to be a truck driver, just my opinion.
ask any of the old timers and im sure they would agree with me (obviously not the lazy ones)
They’re no good for cans and neither is Phils two short planks idea !!!
either load them in a box van or use corner boards, it worked fine for me when I loaded empty coke cans from Wrexham to Greece. It worked 3 or 4 times in a tilt
I’ll pass that info on to Eddie Stobarts !!! They use curtainsiders, the ones with a trailer number begining with ‘CT’ and known as a can van !!! They’ve been doing it illegally for years
then rope or strap it, i use them for retail sugar and flour and you can strap em very very tight with no damage to the product.
too many pretenders going around these days calling themselves truck drivers just cos they have the licence, hop in select D and drive on up the road with neck fixed firmly in place staring straight ahead. if these guys havent got the aptitude to realise their load needs to be secure or the motivation to be bothered to do it, then they probably havent got the natural intincts and reactions required to be a truck driver, just my opinion.
ask any of the old timers and im sure they would agree with me (obviously not the lazy ones)
They’re no good for cans and neither is Phils two short planks idea !!!
either load them in a box van or use corner boards, it worked fine for me when I loaded empty coke cans from Wrexham to Greece. It worked 3 or 4 times in a tilt
I’ll pass that info on to Eddie Stobarts !!! They use curtainsiders, the ones with a trailer number begining with ‘CT’ and known as a can van !!! They’ve been doing it illegally for years
Whatever you reckon Mike , you asked how to secure cans. several people explained different methods. If you want to drive a trailer loaded with empty cans overland and find them squashed in the bottom of the trailer when you arrive, do it your way. I did it my way and got a clean CMR
iF the load is covered with plastic wrap and is filling all the space from left to right and front to back along with the ASM under the pallets a few lock boards securing the rear of the load by the doors will be enough
Wheel Nut:
Whatever you reckon Mike , you asked how to secure cans. several people explained different methods. If you want to drive a trailer loaded with empty cans overland and find them squashed in the bottom of the trailer when you arrive, do it your way. I did it my way and got a clean CMR
I followed the advice and demonstration given to me by people who had been doing it for years. i.e i didn’t strap anything !!! Just how cans could get squashed i’ve no idea, other than a strap. But what do i know, i’m just a steering wheel attendant I’d love to see the antics out of some of you carrying them with brackets and ‘L’ shaped pieces of wood and paraphenalia and the look on the guys faces in the factory when you ask them to shrink wrap them
But the point i am trying to highlight is they cannot be strapped, so they are resting on their own weight. Technically its illegal. In practice no one does strap them, thats something that seems to have escaped the experts notice
Double-decker loading safety poster avaliable
17 February 2010
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joedwyer1:
the tm says vosa are pulling curtain motors to see if your pallets are strapped. so that means from next week we will have to be strapping all our pallets down to the body.
this is pants because all our pallets are fairly small and not stacked more than two feet. so now to use the tail lift to get a pallet off both curtains will have to be opened.
does any one know if this is true about vosa. apparantly if we get pulled by them and they are not strapped we will get in the cack
If i worked for VOSA and i wanted to find loose unstrapped loads the i’d head straight for Heinz at Wigan and wait for them to drive out on to the road and the pull them over. Then i’d head off to Middlewich, the Wincanton drinks depot (old ERF place) and do the same. Then i’d head off to Burton on Trent way (can’t remember the name of the place) where they distribute all them cans of lager that are packed for supermarkets in 12/16 or 20 packs and i’d pull all them up too as they never shrink wrap or strap them, infact they are loose stacked on a pallet with big gaps inbetween them and no shrink wrap. Thats just for starters. Infact i might ask VOSA if they want any self employed cotractors on a commision only basis, its gotta pay more than drivin a lorry
i used to haul canned & jarred goods out of a well known food processors in moray shire we were told that any damaged goods done by load securing would be charged to the firm, the firm i worked for got angled aliminum strips made up that went on the edges of the cans where the straps would be against allowing the load to be secured and damage free. it only added 5 mins to the loading time by doing this and when we were tipping on a bay we would undo the curtain and take off the straps and ali angles for that drop before we put the trailer fully on the bay.
at the end of the day load security is down to the person who is at the controls of machine, vosa or the police aint interested if your boss or the guy at the gate said it be ok drive the buck starts and stops with the person in control of the machine. if you are just picking up a trailer that is already loaded it doesnt take 5 mins to have a look in the back to see it is secured and if it isnt then it up to you if you want too secure it or chance it.
heres something to remember, it may take 60 minutes to secure it but it only takes 1 second to loose it.
According to H&S website the way I read it is that you can’t use hanging straps from the roof to secure the load as they do not pull the load down to the trailer bed (as per ratchet straps).When you consider they are attached to the roof by a bit of alluminium and a few bolts makes sense,so why are they built into the trailer?
Also, if you cannot use the rope hooks to secure the load,(bit of bother if you have a flat trailer and have to rope and sheet the load) if the hanging straps have rope attached to the ends of them in a taughtliner how do you tie them down?
The only loads of paper reels loaded out of the mills that are ratchet strapped down are those loads going abroad,the rest just using the hanging straps from the roof. Many that load paper reels out of the docks that do not use anything at all,relying on gravity and their superhuman driving skills!
, you asked how to secure cans. several people explained different methods. If you want to drive a trailer loaded with empty cans overland and find them squashed in the bottom of the trailer when you arrive, do it your way. I did it my way and got a clean CMR
