YES you are correct about the pressure from those who
sit in the offices, and its a bloody hard life , but now
sit down and have a think, what is better you doing the
job as required from those low Intelligence life’s in office
and ““WHEN”” not if some thing happens who gets the
boot in the ■■■ ““YOU””; plus if you injury or kill some one
its a holiday behind bars, and no job etc etc
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Take the right way yes it is a bug bear but its your
future the old days are going going and you will have to adapt
how many points and fine is it in the UK for
a Insecure Load,
…
What we all used to do years ago counts no more
the enforcement and safety aspect is one that
will not go away
Topmixer
I take your point totally, there is a huge difference between the real world and the world in which these regulations are drawn up in, To be honest in the real world even in large transport and logistics companies the reality between what head office says is policy and what happens day to day in the depots is sometimes completly different.
However unlike in Germany, here in the UK if you dont take the time to secure your load YOU alone are going to get fined, thats money out of your pocket. do you think the guys in the local depot are going to repay that?, and head office will say we have a policy that says all runs must be structured to allow drivers to properly secure the loads. If the driver took it out without properly securing it that was the drivers choice
welcome to the world of transport UK, where it has always been and always will be the driver who has his head on the block. Just how far you want to have your head on the block has always been the biggest bone of contention on here,
Rikki-UK:
Topmixer
I take your point totally, there is a huge difference between the real world and the world in which these regulations are drawn up in, To be honest in the real world even in large transport and logistics companies the reality between what head office says is policy and what happens day to day in the depots is sometimes completly different.However unlike in Germany, here in the UK if you dont take the time to secure your load YOU alone are going to get fined, thats money out of your pocket. do you think the guys in the local depot are going to repay that?, and head office will say we have a policy that says all runs must be structured to allow drivers to properly secure the loads. If the driver took it out without properly securing it that was the drivers choice
welcome to the world of transport UK, where it has always been and always will be the driver who has his head on the block. Just how far you want to have your head on the block has always been the biggest bone of contention on here,
If there was 1 law on haulage that I could change, it would be this. From the day I 1st started there was talk of consignor responsibility but it has never amounted to anything. In my regular work, bulk tippers, it’s overloading. A lot of places, rightly, won’t let you out over your gross weight, but won’t allow you to supervise loading re axle weights, leading to being at some sites sent out. Knowing that your axle weights are way out. Luckily being an owner operator I have use my option to tip off and reload, if this happens, but you don’t get well liked if you do. and has already been said, the weighbridge operator/shovel driver won’t help pay your fine.
IM oof too bed too bang my head on pillow ,cant take much more of this industry 7 years on its getting too the point of impossibility ,argue with the boss argue with the planner argue with the vosa then maybe do some work DEEP JOY 
topmixer11:
IM oof too bed too bang my head on pillow ,cant take much more of this industry 7 years on its getting too the point of impossibility ,argue with the boss argue with the planner argue with the vosa then maybe do some work DEEP JOY
7 years? try 21, and I still can’t part with the ‘last one’ although it/and I doesn’t/don’t go very far now.
When we do load and tip the trailers bound for Germany, all pallets are strapped despite them being on euroliners or tilts with the boards in and the metal slats locked in position. At the moment my trailer is loaded with 70 or so ALDI pallets of kitchen towel which have to be loaded through the rear of the trailer and unloaded through the rear as they buldge the curtains from being oversized for the pallets. The pallets are built up to 8 foot high, next time Im going to strap them all down on and have the load rejected because the straps will damage them if they don’t fall off the wagon when I open the curtains to strap them. Then when I get to ALDI where I have to unload them on a bay through the back door with an electric pallet truck, I will open the curtains and undo the first strap, then i will run in and out for each strap and each line of pallets, hoping they haven’t fallen off the side of the open curtain when I unstrap them 1 by 1. Thats if ALDI’s health and safety lets me on the back of the trailer with the curtains open with the electric truck, I might have do undo an fasten the trailer curtains for each line of pallets in that case. HOW DUMB
has your firm had any one in to advise on load restraint
as if not they need there heads examined some loads do not need
securing at the side, also a tip here if you load bulges out too much
they will have you for that in a tilt as well,Just a thought as regards
the sides bulging could you not get cardboard sheets say just higher than
the load and place them along the sides of the trailer,if your load
is as wide as the trailer and you have no gaps, then it only needs
securing at the rear,also do not forget the ASM matting making sure that it shows, this reduces MOVEMENT by around 8%, ,with the load secured at the back you should have no problems,
peterm:
beattun:
im totally shocked that some of you are up in arms about this, you as the driver should be confident that the load wont shift under heavy braking or sudden movements, in some cases an unsecure load can turn a lorry over in the wrong circumstances, or worse burst through the curtain and kill someone, every pallet should be strapped to the deck so theres no upwards, downwards forwards backwards of sideways movement, whether its law or not as proffesional drivers i feel this is what we should be doing, its just lazy to chuck a few pallets on the trailer and assume itll be alright, and totally ludicrous to assume that standard tautliners are load bearing, because theyre not, some types of tautliner are though, but generally you need to strap the loads there as well cos if the load shifts you wont get them open.I’m right with beattun here, and will add that if you’re incompetent, or just can’t be bothered / don’t think it’s necessary to secure a load properly, you should start thinking whether you’re in the right job.
Hey guys, he said little pallets not higher than two feet !!!
we got an email from corus 2 weeks ago saying they were going to be working with vosa on the issue of load security for the whole of febuary, starting in the north west
Tipped Aldi this morning first thing, chatted to drivers, not one of the fourteen trucks that backed on and unloaded had a single ■■■■■■■■ any part of the load ! Subsequently loaded mdf, strapped that up as per normal.
Kerbdog:
Tipped Aldi this morning first thing, chatted to drivers, not one of the fourteen trucks that backed on and unloaded had a single ■■■■■■■■ any part of the load ! Subsequently loaded mdf, strapped that up as per normal.
Bearing in mind that you have just posted that on a public forum, which is read by various people from VOSA, don’t be surprised if you now find VOSA checking vehicles entering Aldi depots. 
Coffeeholic:
Kerbdog:
Tipped Aldi this morning first thing, chatted to drivers, not one of the fourteen trucks that backed on and unloaded had a single ■■■■■■■■ any part of the load ! Subsequently loaded mdf, strapped that up as per normal.Bearing in mind that you have just posted that on a public forum, which is read by various people from VOSA, don’t be surprised if you now find VOSA checking vehicles entering Aldi depots.
Aldi depots !! I dont know many who do strap every pallet. Here’s what i can’t get my head around…
Walkers crisps, no pallet strapping (well when i was there about four years ago) and the pallets do not need strapping. But to the letter of the law the answer is they are not a secured load.
Stobarts/Con Can empty cans/tins for coke/beer etc… again, not strapped. Some guys did strap the last two pallets so they did not tip over into the vacant three or four foot space, but not all and again the answer is not every pallet was strapped.
Now if you accept that them loads do not need strapping, whats the criteria for strapping a load? or not strapping it? Don’t say “common sense” !! There’s already a few replies in this thread that can’t see what the fuss is about having to strap every pallet.
Mike-C:
Coffeeholic:
Kerbdog:
Tipped Aldi this morning first thing, chatted to drivers, not one of the fourteen trucks that backed on and unloaded had a single ■■■■■■■■ any part of the load ! Subsequently loaded mdf, strapped that up as per normal.Bearing in mind that you have just posted that on a public forum, which is read by various people from VOSA, don’t be surprised if you now find VOSA checking vehicles entering Aldi depots.
Aldi depots !! I dont know many who do strap every pallet. Here’s what i can’t get my head around…
Walkers crisps, no pallet strapping (well when i was there about four years ago) and the pallets do not need strapping. But to the letter of the law the answer is they are not a secured load.
Stobarts/Con Can empty cans/tins for coke/beer etc… again, not strapped. Some guys did strap the last two pallets so they did not tip over into the vacant three or four foot space, but not all and again the answer is not every pallet was strapped.
Now if you accept that them loads do not need strapping, whats the criteria for strapping a load? or not strapping it? Don’t say “common sense” !! There’s already a few replies in this thread that can’t see what the fuss is about having to strap every pallet.
Don’t ask me!! I neither know nor care, very few of my loads are secured at all, bit difficult to strap 1200 loose loaded parcels, and the ones that are are not guaranteed to stay secure. 
my dad who works at P&O (not long left) they have a policy that every load has to be secured to a safe standard so its all left to the driver to strap/chain/secure his load in a matter which is secure and he feels safe with, if he doesnt and it moves its a dismissal !
i have been with him numerous times were he has just cross strapped the back pallets were the load permits like soap power, toilettries, dry food etc
but then been with him picking up the same and other stuff and everythin has been strapped down every pallet etc
imo its all down to the driver, no matter if a firm says it doesnt need strappin we move it like tha all the time its upto to decide if its safe or not, how its been loaded etc etc
ive only done a small amount of curtainsider work but i always cross strap at the back not matter what just to save my back !!
Mike-C:
Now if you accept that them loads do not need strapping, whats the criteria for strapping a load? or not strapping it? Don’t say “common sense” !!
Well, unfortunately we’re entering into the “opinions” debate with that one. And which opinion carries most weight ? Mine ? The Vosa dude ? The squished dude’s under the bail of card ? The old lady trying to cross the road three miles away ? But only when there’s an R in the month ? Yours ? Coffedude’s ? ROG’s ?
I think if it were ever to be pushed to final nth degree, the legislators may just simply give up, get lazy(er) and try to introduce and enforce the ridiculous idea of a blanket law saying “All loads must be secured”
Mike-C:
peterm:
beattun:
im totally shocked that some of you are up in arms about this, you as the driver should be confident that the load wont shift under heavy braking or sudden movements, in some cases an unsecure load can turn a lorry over in the wrong circumstances, or worse burst through the curtain and kill someone, every pallet should be strapped to the deck so theres no upwards, downwards forwards backwards of sideways movement, whether its law or not as proffesional drivers i feel this is what we should be doing, its just lazy to chuck a few pallets on the trailer and assume itll be alright, and totally ludicrous to assume that standard tautliners are load bearing, because theyre not, some types of tautliner are though, but generally you need to strap the loads there as well cos if the load shifts you wont get them open.I’m right with beattun here, and will add that if you’re incompetent, or just can’t be bothered / don’t think it’s necessary to secure a load properly, you should start thinking whether you’re in the right job.
Hey guys, he said little pallets not higher than two feet !!!
This is the sort of thing I was talking about, I’ve copied and pasted what I wrote earlier;
As far as two foot high pallets go, (mentioned earlier by joedwyer1) I’ve carted pallets of sheet steel, used for can lids. They were only about a foot high, but bloody heavy and like razors. Should I have left them unstrapped ?
Also, I’ve done plenty of multi drop around London where I’ve had to tie and untie ropes and lift sheets etc to get at the load. Having said that, I do understand that the more you give, the more the bosses tend to take the ■■■■, cos there’s always some prick that’ll race around and cut corners to get the job done quicker than everybody else… then they leave and ■■■■ up someone elses job. 
The driver I do a trailer swap with told me they all got a letter saying that all pallets have to be strapped down now, but when I got back to the yard last night I asked about this, nobody knew anything about it 
I seriously dont think that the netting (on the aerodynamic Christian Salvesen trailers) are really going to stop a DAF engine or gear box coming off - once one of them goes, there aint no stopping it 
On the older CS trailers the only strapping is roof mounted straps, about as much use as a chocolate fire guard 
I wonder if i can strap milk down to stop it moving 
As people are pointing out that they take loads which are never or very rarely secured, as they believe there is no way to secure such loads,
Well that can be a false assumption, as for every load is a way,as
for parcels…
well me being no expert ,Perhaps the use of moveable and interlocking with the side walls, would a moveable wall do it say one every 4meters,
were there is a will there is a way, yes it will incur costs ,but what is
cheaper the above or paying out when a incident happens?
By the way in Germany if look at the sites of the trailer manufacturs
they offer special trailers for different work with a certificate
from the GERMAN TÃœV , which is RECOGNISED when presented
in a vehicle check,
C-Kay:
I wonder if i can strap milk down to stop it moving
no need, the quicker you drive the faster it turns into cheese