ok then so ive got to strap my loads can somebody please tell me how im gunna strap the top deck on the decker? what a load of !!! 
Will those who are living in cloud cuckoo land ,
stop and rethink for a minute, the times are a
changing as Robert Zimmermann
said, either adapt or be prepared to die out,
EACH load in its own way needs to be securely
restrained,Have you ever seen
THIS
Please watch to the end it is there after a bloody
idiot doing his thing,
THE load was not secured correctly, or this one below
look here what they are doing in the clip below
HERE
http://www.hse.gov.uk/workplacetransport/loadsafety/index.htm?ebul=hsegen/25-jan-2010&cr=2
This is the HSE website which supports the current HSE / Vosa crack down on load security.
Some interesting photos on thereā¦
Also for the boffins
A study in to load restraint etc on the HSE websiteā¦ some interesting company studies on there.
hyper26:
ok then so ive got to strap my loads can somebody please tell me how im gunna strap the top deck on the decker? what a load of !!!
Im glad Im not the only one thinking that 
Anyway, most of the straps on our deckers wouldnt hold a piece of paper securely let alone palletsā¦ 
DAF95XF:
Im glad Im not the only one thinking that
Anyway, most of the straps on our deckers wouldnt hold a piece of paper securely let alone palletsā¦
Thats the thing though, with the new or newly enforced set of rules, internal straps arent to be used, they are considered to be attached to the weather proofing of the vehicle, and do not offer load restraint.
According to all the bumf restraints have to be attached to the structure of the vehicle and not the weather proofing, so ideally over the top of pallets and under the trailer bed. Its a right pain in the d*ck, especially in our business as pallets are generally aerosols and so easily damaged by straps.
im totally shocked that some of you are up in arms about this, you as the driver should be confident that the load wont shift under heavy braking or sudden movements, in some cases an unsecure load can turn a lorry over in the wrong circumstances, or worse burst through the curtain and kill someone, every pallet should be strapped to the deck so theres no upwards, downwards forwards backwards of sideways movement, whether its law or not as proffesional drivers i feel this is what we should be doing, its just lazy to chuck a few pallets on the trailer and assume itll be alright, and totally ludicrous to assume that standard tautliners are load bearing, because theyre not, some types of tautliner are though, but generally you need to strap the loads there as well cos if the load shifts you wont get them open.
So how does this work for those of us who pull sealed trailers ?
I pick a trailer up and its sealed, I drive to destination and break seal, thats the first time I can see inside at the load. No idea what its like before then. ā ā ?
welltin:
DAF95XF:
Im glad Im not the only one thinking that
Anyway, most of the straps on our deckers wouldnt hold a piece of paper securely let alone palletsā¦Thats the thing though, with the new or newly enforced set of rules, internal straps arent to be used, they are considered to be attached to the weather proofing of the vehicle, and do not offer load restraint.
According to all the bumf restraints have to be attached to the structure of the vehicle and not the weather proofing, so ideally over the top of pallets and under the trailer bed. Its a right pain in the d*ck, especially in our business as pallets are generally aerosols and so easily damaged by straps.
WELLTIN if you look at certain sites about load restraint
the have special nets which can be used in this case like the air freight
use to secure their freight,
as for double deckers well there must be some system out there as
one of the firms will have got a way of securing these loads correctly,
Rikki-UK:
āā¦Its not a new law, its only the level of enforcement that has changedā¦ā
Palletised loads with only the top of the load ārestrainedā to reefer side walls (ha!) is par for the course in my place. It might look as if itāll stop the top row of a pallet of coleslaw from going too far but the umpteen hundredweight beneath it is a will to slide out & go anywhere should an abrupt manoeuvre occur.
So I add a strap to secure pallet bases to the side bulkhead by wiggling it through the blocks of the pallet. Although it causes me to get mucky knees (and not them when all they need to do is shake out the strap) it seems to bemuse the tipping monkeys.
Is it attention to this kind of lark that is being reinforced?
Lycanthrope:
So how does this work for those of us who pull sealed trailers ?I pick a trailer up and its sealed, I drive to destination and break seal, thats the first time I can see inside at the load. No idea what its like before then. ā ā ?
I can only quote what we do here in Germany,if its a
FIRMS seal and not a custom seal, then you move off if
you hear or see that the container is ie making noises
because the load has shifted or leans to one side then
its stop check it out open the seal and if possible re-stow
the load if not, get on the phone and tell them to sort it out,
If it is a custom seal you will need to a phone your firm and they
need to sort it out,(CUSTOM SEAL to be opened only by Customs)
This is how we do it and as long as we follow these rules
we get no problems,
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also IF YOU PICK UP A loaded container with a firms seal
and could not see or hear any undue noise or problems
then if opened by police/bag
THEY DID THE LOADER AND HIS EMPLOYER
not the Driver,
Back in the late 70s, (J.B. Smith, Keynsham) carrying chocolates and teabags in tautliners, we had corner boards for every pallet plus the back corners to stop the straps crushing the goods. The straps hung from a central rail and we had to be on the trailer to place every corner board and strap whilst being loaded from the side. If the roof and sides are now to be considered as weatherproofing, unless designed to be structural, how are we gonna place the corner boards and strap pallets when loaded from the rear, with the curtains open, just waiting for the pallet truck driver to run us over or drive off the side? Same problem when tipping from the rear.
Agree the loads must be secure. Cue the H & S bods.
Seem to remember the straps didnāt stop a load of teabags ā¦ moving when a wagon turned over on the Moreton link road!
beattun:
im totally shocked that some of you are up in arms about this, you as the driver should be confident that the load wont shift under heavy braking or sudden movements, in some cases an unsecure load can turn a lorry over in the wrong circumstances, or worse burst through the curtain and kill someone, every pallet should be strapped to the deck so theres no upwards, downwards forwards backwards of sideways movement, whether its law or not as proffesional drivers i feel this is what we should be doing, its just lazy to chuck a few pallets on the trailer and assume itll be alright, and totally ludicrous to assume that standard tautliners are load bearing, because theyre not, some types of tautliner are though, but generally you need to strap the loads there as well cos if the load shifts you wont get them open.
Iām right with beattun here, and will add that if youāre incompetent, or just canāt be bothered / donāt think itās necessary to secure a load properly, you should start thinking whether youāre in the right job.
I have had more bollockings for breaking seals than I have for losing loads and that is the way it should be, the only person in the UK who will get done when a pallet comes through the curtain is the driver, not the loader, not the TM or not even the MD. TIR seals were a pain in the arse if a load came lose enroute to Athens or Istanbul, so it was worth spending an extra hour or so securing it before you put on the seals
If you cant strap over the top of the pallets, strap through them, or round them. Some loads are difficult to secure, some are self securing but if you would fasten them on a flat then they probably need securing to a curtain trailer in the same way. In Petes 2nd video they seem to be very trusting of a dozen M10 bolts and I would probably prefer to strap to the crossmembers.
These pallets can only be loaded in the UK from the side, but can only be tipped through the rear doors in France. the pallets are shrunkwrapped and each layer is separated by cardboard. The only way to secure these is to cross the back using 2 empty pallets and 2 straps.
Shrinkwrapped and leaved pallets containing Nescafe coffee jars destined for France.
Bricks reliant on gravity and polythene and PVC.
Stillages loaded with glass panes cant be strapped over the glass but through the pallets, this method held 2 loads per day from Dieppe to Kirkaldy.
Flight cases for a Stereophonics tour had to be kept on their wheels and not upturned, so straps were used along with the wheel brakes
YEAH try doing it all when you are multidropping ,if i have too strap every pallet then destrap etc curtain up then tail lift ,wont be long before im fired for not completing round , job is becoming a joke more enforcements every day
topmixer11:
YEAH try doing it all when you are multidropping ,if i have too strap every pallet then destrap etc curtain up then tail lift ,wont be long before im fired for not completing round , job is becoming a joke more enforcements every day
yeah exactly. if i wasnāt doing multi drop then it wouldnāt have such an effect on my day as it will do. it will probably take an hour and a half off my day at least
topmixer11:
YEAH try doing it all when you are multidropping ,if i have too strap every pallet then destrap etc curtain up then tail lift ,wont be long before im fired for not completing round , job is becoming a joke more enforcements every day
If you dont have time to properly secure your load and complete the work given, then your employer is giving you too much work.
They also have a legal responsibilty to ensure the work they give you to do can be done legally.
Securing your load is not EXTRA, its a fundemental part of your job
well at the moment we havenāt been strapping the pallets down because they donāt move on their own and are shrink wrapped before they are loaded.
so when we do start to strap them. my employer will obviously soon see that the current ammount of drops wonāt be able to be sustained and will be adjusted accordingly
i was talking too my employer today and he was saying that he has got a letter in from one customer that we haul for with a curtainsider delivering to farms and all loads leaving there sites now have to be fully secured inside curtainsiders, if not the truck wont be able to leave site or worse will be offloaded and haulier banned from sites for a period of time
If in GB, they go the way the Germans act, then
not only the driver, owner, gets done but also the
person responsible for the (safe) loading of the
vehicles , and the firm gets done as well,
Rikki-UK:
topmixer11:
YEAH try doing it all when you are multidropping ,if i have too strap every pallet then destrap etc curtain up then tail lift ,wont be long before im fired for not completing round , job is becoming a joke more enforcements every dayIf you dont have time to properly secure your load and complete the work given, then your employer is giving you too much work.
They also have a legal responsibilty to ensure the work they give you to do can be done legally.Securing your load is not EXTRA, its a fundemental part of your job
rikki get in the real world i work for a haulage company who use me for day hire in another firm , no one will back me up ny employer wants me too do it all so he gets paid the day rate the contracter wants me too do it all or ā ā ā ā off ,not all jobs have so straight forward rules , shall i refuse too do it all shall i just quit and sign on , the load is secure with and without straps some stuff cannot be strapped as it will just get crushed and then i have too be held responsible for the damage , vosa are just getting too unrealistic ,come try it for a week 