ady1:
start 3.00 a.m
run/tip leicester
back to yard,back 7 a.m
take truck for service
back for 8 a.m ish
sit in canteen until 10.30 a.m,you can now go home,
whats the point in keeping you there for 2 1/2 hrs if theres nothing doing,every friggin day,i could be down pub etc etc
i just dont see it,ive done my job,why not just say go home,
weve got to do 10 hrs in the office so were going to make you stay for 8 hrs or you wont get your 10m hrs
when it was corby/innovate i used to do 4/5/6 hrs and get 11 hrs pay,properly run companies who looked after there driver[done your job get off mate]
Or you could be unemployed cant see the issue your just being asked to be in attendance for your wages …
why should he have to stay, come back finish your run wash the lorry see you tomorrow. whats more simple than that
why should he have to sit in a crap canteen for 2 hours with nothing to do. lets get this straight as well ady’s work is all planned out for the week so he know’s what he is doing each at the beginning off the week.
his contract is his contract, if it states your paid 10 hours then he is paid 10 hours. if it was me i would be wanting to go home as well in fact i would be going home.
Ady1, go to your boss and tell him you would rather go home as soon as the work is finished.
I’m sure he’d be more than happy paying you for the work you’ve done.
You get your early finish, boss saves 5 hours pay, everyone’s a winner !
This whole forum is full of people/drivers who are desperetaly seeking employment, as well as the other million or so others in the UK that are unemployed in this current climate of pretty severe recession or depression (whatever you want to call it). I would hazard a guess that most would take on any type of work be it part time, full time or indeed anytime.
So it should not come as a surprise that perhaps that it is going to wind people up the wrong way when someone is publicly whining that they think its unfair and/or spiteful that they are being made to stay at work for the full length of time that they are fortunatly getting paid for. Why not offer your spare hours and wage upto someone that is more needy of it.
Edited to add:
You could always make your job available to someone else by marching straight into your boss and tell him to RAM his job as there is NO WAY you are willing to be paid to sit around and do nothing!! mmmmmm as if eh? Think about the bigger picture and just be grateful.
The boss pays for 10 hours of Ady1’s time.
Ady1 is complaining he has to do 7.5 hours before he can go home.
If I was Ady1’s boss I would either let him go home after the 5 hours he’d work, and pay him for 5 hours, or if there is an operational reason he’s needed on standby, keep him there the full 10 hours, what he’s paid to do. How can you get fairer than that?
I can’t believe Ady1 has come on here whining he has to work 7.5 hours out of the 10 hours he’s paid for
Hope for his sake his boss doesn’t read this!
Ady wasn’t moaning about anything except why common sense wasn’t exercised by the gaffer…
He did his job as asked. On time. Properly.
He finished all THE BOSS wanted him to do/had for him to do.
He then sat around for 2.5 hours and was then sent home…why■■?
Now if the boss had work for him - he would have done it without a moan and not posted…if they kept him there knowing there was no work and purely because they knew they’d have to pay him then they are a bunch of childish ■■■■■…It is for them to ensure they have enough work for there employees…If they’d asked him to do anything, maybe wash the truck or some loading perhaps -that would have been fair enough…but to just sit there■■? WTF■■?
The point here is surely - that the gaffer couldn’t organise a ■■■■ up in a brewery. Why was there no work for him■■? If there was no work - how is that his fault■■? Why keep him there if they knew beforehand there was nothing left that shift for him to do■■? The fact they were having to pay him is irrelevant - that’s their fault not his!!! He was willing to work - they had no work!! It’s not Ady’s job to organise his own work!!!
I make you right mate - if the boot had been on the other foot and they’d asked you to work a bit longer they wouldn’t have minded that!!! And how many jobs do you get a ‘job rate’ for■■? You keep going 'till your done, yes? 9 hours 10 hours 11 hours? Same rate mate…That would be acceptable to all you lot giving ady stick?? But nipping off early 'cos you’re done early we can’t do that… we’re truckers and unless you’re grinding 80 hours a week out you’re not a proper trucker blah blah…
bjd:
He would have something to moan about if they sent him home and didnt pay him, why should they pay him 10 hours ans he only does 6 would you?
yes i would if it was in his contract. if there’s no work there’s no work why keep a driver hanging around doing nothing for no reason other than being spiteful.
Truckulent:
A lot of people have missed the point here…
Ady wasn’t moaning about anything except why common sense wasn’t exercised by the gaffer…
He did his job as asked. On time. Properly.
He finished all THE BOSS wanted him to do/had for him to do.
He then sat around for 2.5 hours and was then sent home…why■■?
Now if the boss had work for him - he would have done it without a moan and not posted…if they kept him there knowing there was no work and purely because they knew they’d have to pay him then they are a bunch of childish [zb]…It is for them to ensure they have enough work for there employees…If they’d asked him to do anything, maybe wash the truck or some loading perhaps -that would have been fair enough…but to just sit there■■? WTF■■?
The point here is surely - that the gaffer couldn’t organise a ■■■■ up in a brewery. Why was there no work for him■■? If there was no work - how is that his fault■■? Why keep him there if they knew beforehand there was nothing left that shift for him to do■■? The fact they were having to pay him is irrelevant - that’s their fault not his!!! He was willing to work - they had no work!! It’s not Ady’s job to organise his own work!!!
I make you right mate - if the boot had been on the other foot and they’d asked you to work a bit longer they wouldn’t have minded that!!! And how many jobs do you get a ‘job rate’ for■■? You keep going 'till your done, yes? 9 hours 10 hours 11 hours? Same rate mate…That would be acceptable to all you lot giving ady stick?? But nipping off early 'cos you’re done early we can’t do that… we’re truckers and unless you’re grinding 80 hours a week out you’re not a proper trucker blah blah…
So maybe the gaffer/TM is doing Ady1 a favour.
Maybe the gaffer is under pressure from his gaffer to save money, and he doesn’t want Ady1 to get the boot.
Picture this scenario: The company is desperate to save money from wherever possible (a familiar situation for many companies). If you were the Big Cheese and found out the company was paying Ady1 10 hours when he’s only working 5 (effectively being paid double time), wouldn’t you do something about it? Either cut his hours or give him the boot?
Boom, the company is better off by £250 a week just by cutting his hours, yet still gets exactly the same job done.
Maybe the fact he appears to be working 7-8 hours out of that 10 hours is the only reason he’s still got a job. Maybe Ady1’s immediate gaffer/TM is doing him a favour by having him there for that extra couple of hours. If the Big Cheese in the suit thinks Ady1 is working 8 hours a day ( but sometimes runs over hence the need for the 10 hours pay), then maybe that is much more reasonable than 10 hours pay for 5 hours work.
Point is, if the Big Cheese in the suit clocks a man getting twice as much pay than he’s worked, surely that man is a prime candidate for the boot? Just maybe by being at work (wether working or not) is enough to justify his 10 hours.
its not ady’s problem if there is no work, if there was he would go and do it. but by making him sit in the canteen for a couple of hours to be spiteful cos thats what it is just being spiteful is plain childish.
ady has been at that depot for quite a few years through different companies doing the same job so he knows the runs he knows the job inside out and also knows they are’nt going to send him out on another run therefore if his run is complete send the driver home. now what his contract says regarding hours is irrelevent he is not being lazy or idle because everyone on here that knows ady, he will bang the overtime in if he can. if his contract is for 10 hours then its for 10 hours simple just because there is no work after 6 hours thats not his fault so why incovinence him sitting on a crappy plastic chair in a canteen just to be spiteful.
FFS I have lways said lorry drivers are thick ■■■■■■
OP’s contract states that he is paid a MINIMUM of 10 hours. If the company doesnt/cannot find him 10 hours work to do thats THEIR problem. If they have nothing for him then send him home and pay him for his contracted hours (10 hours). Whats the problem? Jealousy maybe?? And why should another diver complain about it…its none of their friggin business!!
I used to do a night run that was contracted 10 hours but I was encouraged to get back so they had a better chance of loading the trailer for the dayman…and the incentive for getting back earlier? … “off home drive you are done”. I worked no more than 6 hours a night but paid for 10. It was the “big cheese’s” decision and the company is still running and turning a nice profit.
msgyorkie:
And why should another diver complain about it…its none of their friggin business!!
Wasn’t anyone’s business but Ady1’s, right up until he put it on a public forum inviting discussion/opinion. That made it everyone’s business who cared to read his post didn’t it?
cieranc:
So maybe the gaffer/TM is doing Ady1 a favour.
Maybe the gaffer is under pressure from his gaffer to save money, and he doesn’t want Ady1 to get the boot.
Picture this scenario: The company is desperate to save money from wherever possible (a familiar situation for many companies). If you were the Big Cheese and found out the company was paying Ady1 10 hours when he’s only working 5 (effectively being paid double time), wouldn’t you do something about it? Either cut his hours or give him the boot?
Boom, the company is better off by £250 a week just by cutting his hours, yet still gets exactly the same job done.
Maybe the fact he appears to be working 7-8 hours out of that 10 hours is the only reason he’s still got a job. Maybe Ady1’s immediate gaffer/TM is doing him a favour by having him there for that extra couple of hours. If the Big Cheese in the suit thinks Ady1 is working 8 hours a day ( but sometimes runs over hence the need for the 10 hours pay), then maybe that is much more reasonable than 10 hours pay for 5 hours work.
Point is, if the Big Cheese in the suit clocks a man getting twice as much pay than he’s worked, surely that man is a prime candidate for the boot? Just maybe by being at work (wether working or not) is enough to justify his 10 hours.
Nope, still missing the point.
In the scenario you mention, the person that requires the sack/redundancy is the person responsible for allocating Ady his work, not Ady!!! IT IS NOT Ady’s problem if they can’t find him enough work!!! I agree in the long term it could become his problem, but whether he is sitting around at work or sat at home makes no odds to that possibility-the gaffer will kick either way in the end.
Generally though, it will even itself out…I’d say you find yourself doing far more longer than expected shifts than you do shorter than expected!
What I mean is why complain about it…it doesnt affect you. You arnt losing out!
At the end of the day its just spite because the office monkey cant go home so they dont want you the driver to be better off than them!
I’m a london bus driver.
We have spare drivers everyday, incase a driver does’nt turn up.
Boring shift to do, normally sitting around watching telly or running a spare bus out to a driver his one is broken down.
When your spare, you do a minimum of 7.5hrs upto a max of 12hrs, but normally you only do 5 hrs and get sent home, but are paid for 7.5hrs.
However, sometimes you have to do 12 hrs, and the drivers moan like mad!
Can’t please some people…
Truckulent:
In the scenario you mention, the person that requires the sack/redundancy is the person responsible for allocating Ady his work, not Ady!!! IT IS NOT Ady’s problem if they can’t find him enough work!!!
Do you reckon that would happen though? A TM standing up and saying " I havn’t got enough work for this driver, that’s my fault, I quit" ?
Or is it more likely the TM would stand up and say " I havn’t got enough work for this driver, I’ll finish him".
I was going to apologise for my opinion, but thought better of it - if you’re paid for 10 hours then …quit ■■■■■■■ whinging and do what they ask of you!
There’s blokes out there that would Kill for that job! Just sit in the canteen, drink coffee and GET PAID FOR IT! No brainier!
mmmmmm as if eh? Think about the bigger picture and just be grateful.
