I’m afraid I only get time and a third after eight hours and the same for Saturdays, Double time for Sundays.
I’m sorry if I have ‘ratted’ on all my fellow drivers in our Industry by accepting such poor terms but that was what was on offer and a hundred times better than being self employed (like I was).
Personally, I don’t [zb] care who earns what because it’s none of my ■■■■ business.
W
Where did that come from.
Just a bit bored with all the pointless threads about other peoples wages.
Didn’t you get told “You shouldn’t do this or I wouldn’t work for that” By some old sweat when you started out…?
Just to watch him do exactly the same a month later… I love the good old days.
W
I think it was these older drivers that sold the Jerseys tbh, I hate doing o/t for a pound or two extra but it was pretty much the norm before I started driving Trucks.
Just got to get on with it though unless there is a big drive to form a Union or something for drivers and its my only gripe about Driving apart from other road users to be fair.
Happydaze:
This should be re-named “how, why and when did a “professional drivers” forum become a host for patronising, patriachal, amateur sociologists who think that intellectual superiority depends on their perception of another’s ability to understand pseudo-intellectual waffle on subjects that the poster has a worryingly slender grasp of”.
Happydaze:
This should be re-named “how, why and when did a “professional drivers” forum become a host for patronising, patriachal, amateur sociologists who think that intellectual superiority depends on their perception of another’s ability to understand pseudo-intellectual waffle on subjects that the poster has a worryingly slender grasp of”.
If the cap fits…
But then your post simply validates the argument!
Yes. But not here, somewhere in a parallel universe.
EastAnglianTrucker:
This country simply isn’t competitive in any meaningful sense, in comparison with other economies. It needs to be or it will simply sink to third world status within a generation…
That’s not exactly thing same thing as what actually needs to be done in just putting the US and British economies back to where they were in the 1960’s based on having a strong domestic economy first and foremost.There’s no way that the road transport industry can provide sufficient jobs,to create the demand for labour required in the industry, without industry in general being put back as it was first.But trying to compete with the Asian economies,in the global free market economy,won’t work in the long term even for the German economy which,like ours,was built and should remain,based on the Fordist system not the global free market one.
Protectionism is a good thing not a bad one.
Well that’s certainly one option, and I think that was part of what I was trying to say… except I think the economy was too inefficient in the 60’s and the genie has been out of the bottle for far to long to even consider being put back!
And I don’t think western economies can compete directly with the Asian equivalent. And over the medium term, say 50 years, even they are cyclical, and Japan is the very epitome of that problem.
No, the answer needs to be more imaginative whilst finding ways to re-create the sort of economic base that once existed. Ultimately the two options are that an economy either has to produce what the rest of the world wants. Which is the free market model. Or it creates both demand and supply within it’s own “protected” sphere of interest. Which brings me back to the problem with the genie…
On a separate spur of this discussion, it’s fascinating to see/read just how many, if not actively disparaging, are simply ambivalent. Or as Happydaze has mentioned, in a parallel universe. And that of course, is the most telling example of proving the points made in earlier posts.
EastAnglianTrucker:
This country simply isn’t competitive in any meaningful sense, in comparison with other economies. It needs to be or it will simply sink to third world status within a generation…
That’s not exactly thing same thing as what actually needs to be done in just putting the US and British economies back to where they were in the 1960’s based on having a strong domestic economy first and foremost.There’s no way that the road transport industry can provide sufficient jobs,to create the demand for labour required in the industry, without industry in general being put back as it was first.But trying to compete with the Asian economies,in the global free market economy,won’t work in the long term even for the German economy which,like ours,was built and should remain,based on the Fordist system not the global free market one.
Protectionism is a good thing not a bad one.
Well that’s certainly one option, and I think that was part of what I was trying to say… except I think the economy was too inefficient in the 60’s and the genie has been out of the bottle for far to long to even consider being put back!
And I don’t think western economies can compete directly with the Asian equivalent. And over the medium term, say 50 years, even they are cyclical, and Japan is the very epitome of that problem.
No, the answer needs to be more imaginative whilst finding ways to re-create the sort of economic base that once existed. Ultimately the two options are that an economy either has to produce what the rest of the world wants. Which is the free market model. Or it creates both demand and supply within it’s own “protected” sphere of interest. Which brings me back to the problem with the genie…
On a separate spur of this discussion, it’s fascinating to see/read just how many, if not actively disparaging, are simply ambivalent. Or as Happydaze has mentioned, in a parallel universe. And that of course, is the most telling example of proving the points made in earlier posts.
I quite agree with some of your views and points. However, I see no point in repeating thinly-disguised Marcusian theory with a slightly blunted edge for the “benefit” of the people you suppose won’t realise, and wouldn’t recognise in the first place.
After all, we’re all just dumb lorry drivers who need you and your ilk to show us the error of our ways, hence my original post.
Too smart is no smart, you see. I didn’t want to air this, but copyright’s there for a reason.
Marcusian theory explains the rates of electron transfer reactions. And that is connected to this thread how exactly? Oh, now I get it, you mean Marxist theory… No mate, I’m not selling or advocating anything. Just voicing my opinion the same as you. But it would make you seem a little more intelligent if you didn’t get your theories mixed up.
Dumb lorry drivers? As previously noted, if the cap fits.
Me and my ilk? As stated above, I’m not selling anything, and I really don’t give a toss if you disagree with my views. But I guess this comes back to your mixed up theories.
Copyright? Where does this come in? There is no copyright on ideas. Patents yes, copyright no.
Sorry, but I’m not sure what the [zb]ing hell you’re going on about, or why you choose to think everyone here is dumb, or hasn’t the ability to think for themselves, or indeed what it is you’re so afraid of. But hey, if it makes you happy. Dat kan niet.
EastAnglianTrucker:
This country simply isn’t competitive in any meaningful sense, in comparison with other economies. It needs to be or it will simply sink to third world status within a generation…
That’s not exactly thing same thing as what actually needs to be done in just putting the US and British economies back to where they were in the 1960’s based on having a strong domestic economy first and foremost.There’s no way that the road transport industry can provide sufficient jobs,to create the demand for labour required in the industry, without industry in general being put back as it was first.But trying to compete with the Asian economies,in the global free market economy,won’t work in the long term even for the German economy which,like ours,was built and should remain,based on the Fordist system not the global free market one.
Protectionism is a good thing not a bad one.
Well that’s certainly one option, and I think that was part of what I was trying to say… except I think the economy was too inefficient in the 60’s and the genie has been out of the bottle for far to long to even consider being put back!
Ultimately the two options are that an economy either has to produce what the rest of the world wants. Which is the free market model. Or it creates both demand and supply within it’s own “protected” sphere of interest. Which brings me back to the problem with the genie…
The US economy of the 1960’s was as good as the capitalist system ever got all based on the idea of Fordism.Mass production mainly for a reasonably protected domestic market and high wages to buy the products you’re making.Leads to massive growth and zero trade deficit,if not trade surplus.It’s just a shame that there aren’t people in government in the States like Henry Ford,Kennedy and LBJ now and the only thing that stopped the British economy growing at the same rate over that period was that the British government didn’t go for the American wage levels.
Which then just got worse when Callaghan and Thatcher got in and went for the total opposite idea of wage restraint,de industrialisation and cheap imports.Which Reagan followed soon after.
Happydaze:
This should be re-named “how, why and when did a “professional drivers” forum become a host for patronising, patriachal, amateur sociologists who think that intellectual superiority depends on their perception of another’s ability to understand pseudo-intellectual waffle on subjects that the poster has a worryingly slender grasp of”.
Quite funny really, and I can understand why you feel that way.
Just for the record, I am a qualified ■■■■■■-Analyst, who then went on to discover the theories behind the teaching, which involved studying most of the Philosophies that the study is in some parts, based on.
I am not an intellectual, as that only serves to build barriers between people, but most academics like it that way, because they are patronising and sometimes superior, but they hate it when you, as a prole, know more than them, about the background of a subject, that they have been tutoring for years
Sometimes, a kid from a council estate in Salford, can get out there and do it But I am just a thicko lorry driver at heart Not to mention a massive disappointment to my family
rambo19:
It all changed when new drivers started accepting it.
Same on the buses, no time and half or double time anymore.
A bit of both no doubt.
Regarding the buses, when I was with Firstbus and asked about different pay structures for old and new drivers and o/t rates I was told the older drivers sold their o/t rights and some holidays years before when they where Corpie drivers, clippies where offered training to become drivers on the new terms and new starts had to take it or leave it.
There wasn`t many of those older drivers left but they regretted doing what they did as the money went pretty quickly.
EastAnglianTrucker:
'…The answer isn’t to make the country a closed shop.
Unions, as they’re currently structured, aren’t the answer either…’
Both points agreed - whilst chipping-in that my Union too often embarrasses me with their blinkered, partisan (as in being blindly biased) & confrontational hypocrisy at £3-ish/week
EastAnglianTrucker:
'…The answer isn’t to make the country a closed shop.
Unions, as they’re currently structured, aren’t the answer either…’
Both points agreed - whilst chipping-in that my Union too often embarrasses me with their blinkered, partisan (as in being blindly biased) & confrontational hypocrisy at £3-ish/week
EastAnglianTrucker:
Marcusian theory explains the rates of electron transfer reactions. And that is connected to this thread how exactly? Oh, now I get it, you mean Marxist theory… No mate, I’m not selling or advocating anything. Just voicing my opinion the same as you. But it would make you seem a little more intelligent if you didn’t get your theories mixed up.
Dumb lorry drivers? As previously noted, if the cap fits.
Me and my ilk? As stated above, I’m not selling anything, and I really don’t give a toss if you disagree with my views. But I guess this comes back to your mixed up theories.
Copyright? Where does this come in? There is no copyright on ideas. Patents yes, copyright no.
Sorry, but I’m not sure what the [zb]ing hell you’re going on about, or why you choose to think everyone here is dumb, or hasn’t the ability to think for themselves, or indeed what it is you’re so afraid of. But hey, if it makes you happy. Dat kan niet.
That would be Herbert Marcuse… Thanks for the genuine lol, you’re a diamond. I’m the same, I have no idea what you’re on about either, but I’m not preaching to others.
PS. If you’re really interested in electron transfer reactions, it’s “Marcus Theory” you want. I had to look that up as I have no idea what electron transfer reactions are, and I’ve discovered that I’m not interested in them. I don’t mind admitting having to look it up though.
If you’re going to accuse others of a lack of intelligence, it is wise not to display one’s ignorance whilst doing so.
Happydaze:
This should be re-named “how, why and when did a “professional drivers” forum become a host for patronising, patriachal, amateur sociologists who think that intellectual superiority depends on their perception of another’s ability to understand pseudo-intellectual waffle on subjects that the poster has a worryingly slender grasp of”.
Quite funny really, and I can understand why you feel that way.
Just for the record, I am a qualified ■■■■■■-Analyst, who then went on to discover the theories behind the teaching, which involved studying most of the Philosophies that the study is in some parts, based on.
I am not an intellectual, as that only serves to build barriers between people, but most academics like it that way, because they are patronising and sometimes superior, but they hate it when you, as a prole, know more than them, about the background of a subject, that they have been tutoring for years
Sometimes, a kid from a council estate in Salford, can get out there and do it But I am just a thicko lorry driver at heart Not to mention a massive disappointment to my family
If I was as qualified and had had the same experiences as you I hope I’d say the same thing. I wish more people in teaching or tutoring positions had the same egalitarian approach.
“I am not an intellectual” says it all. Being confident enough to make that statement is, to me what it’s all about. We should all strive to better ourselves but not lose ourselves in our achievements.
totaliy agree with eastanglian trucker a man with a very incisive overview we need to start righting the wrongs imposed on us if u thought the threat of no petrol panicked the great unwashed imagine what no beans on the shelf in tesco would do just a dream the scum and mirror would have us painted as lefty militants in no time
Happydaze:
:lol: That would be Herbert Marcuse… Thanks for the genuine lol, you’re a diamond. I’m the same, I have no idea what you’re on about either, but I’m not preaching to others.
Herbert Marcuse? Your universe is even further away than I imagined, and not even parallel any more… But you’re not that far from the Marcusian Theory about rates of electron transfer reactions.
In my view, old Herbie wasn’t much of a theorist anyway. I mean did Angela Davis, Rudi Dutschke, Abbie Hoffman and Robert Young actually make any difference at all? Or were they simply spouting off to to a society only pretending to listen, whilst in truth were being ultimately seduced by the enticements of capitalist society, to become the next generation of consumers.
And by sheer co-incidence, I wasn’t that far away with confusing your reference to Marcusian Theory, instead of Marcusean Theory - which I would have tried to spell correctly if it wasn’t my intention to distract the reader - with Marxist Theory, as that was the basis for Marcuse’s subsequent analysis of capitalism. But it was a total freak of chance.
So no, I wasn’t even remotely trying to espouse the fundamentals of Herbie’s One Dimensional Man, even though I can just about see why you might think I was. (That’s the problem when you think your universe is parallel with everyone else’s, but in reality you’re a few degrees off!)
It’s patently obvious you don’t know what I’m on about. I’m not even sure you know what you’re on about. And I wasn’t aware anyone was preaching anything to anyone on here, but like I said; “If it makes you happy…”
Keep trying to think of the kids mate, I’ve noticed you’re good at that. Dat kan niet.
In the 60 and 70s did we not have such wonderfull words as Logistics and we did not have shelf life to me the whole industry is in disaray and the only people we can blame are the Supermarkets and acountants
Most driving jobs in them days you based on the type of work you wanted to do and most firms the wages where near enough the same or if you prefered to drive an old banger or even an old banger we just got on with the job
Now a days it seems to me who ever has got the pretiest motor seems to be the norm in my days we looked after our vehicles not for the cleanest but because you had to get them up and down the road best you could most of us carried spare injector pipes plastic tubing jubilee clips etc.
So come on Boys stop F… whinging and wowling get on with the job
Happydaze:
:lol: That would be Herbert Marcuse… Thanks for the genuine lol, you’re a diamond. I’m the same, I have no idea what you’re on about either, but I’m not preaching to others.
Herbert Marcuse? Your universe is even further away than I imagined, and not even parallel any more… But you’re not that far from the Marcusian Theory about rates of electron transfer reactions.
In my view, old Herbie wasn’t much of a theorist anyway. I mean did Angela Davis, Rudi Dutschke, Abbie Hoffman and Robert Young actually make any difference at all? Or were they simply spouting off to to a society only pretending to listen, whilst in truth were being ultimately seduced by the enticements of capitalist society, to become the next generation of consumers.
And by sheer co-incidence, I wasn’t that far away with confusing your reference to Marcusian Theory, instead of Marcusean Theory - which I would have tried to spell correctly if it wasn’t my intention to distract the reader - with Marxist Theory, as that was the basis for Marcuse’s subsequent analysis of capitalism. But it was a total freak of chance.
So no, I wasn’t even remotely trying to espouse the fundamentals of Herbie’s One Dimensional Man, even though I can just about see why you might think I was. (That’s the problem when you think your universe is parallel with everyone else’s, but in reality you’re a few degrees off!)
It’s patently obvious you don’t know what I’m on about. I’m not even sure you know what you’re on about. And I wasn’t aware anyone was preaching anything to anyone on here, but like I said; “If it makes you happy…”
Keep trying to think of the kids mate, I’ve noticed you’re good at that. Dat kan niet.
Aww, you were doing so well until you got to the last line. Can’t resist a playground insult… Good man.
jastrebsi59:
‘… the only people we can blame are the Supermarkets and accountants’…’
‘…Only…’ them?
That neatly alleviates the fickle electorate from ‘…blame…’ regardless that it was they who (short-sightedly?) daily demand what supermarkets provide and sanctioned (now distorted?) taxation & accounting systems by voting for their proponents at General Elections.
Not to mention a massive disappointment to my family 